General Yuzuru Chat

[rockstaryuzu]

8 hours ago, Lenylan said:

Dubious for you and for those who has spend much time watching Disney cartoons.  The first time I watched "Wings of words", btw that's the name of his program not Dory, I would have never pictured as a fish or something similar. It depends on what is on people's mind at the time they watched his performance. 

'Dory' is what satellites other than myself called the costume. I'm well aware of the actual program name Wings of Words; I even used to watch the anime Yuzu was inspired by for that program. His performance was fine. The costume choice remains questionable when you see it in certain photos.

[rockstaryuzu]

6 hours ago, LadyLou said:

and imo a fan forum isn't only a place of adoration, it's also a place where fans can discuss and worry and disagree while still feeling safe, because no matter what they think of this or that costume or a program or jump layout, they still share something big and substantial (like thinking that Yuzuru is a wonderful skater and a wonderful, if flawed, human being)

This. Exactly this.

 

I don't think it's 'dragging' to have and express an opinion about Yuzu's many sometimes unexpected artistic choices. After all, that is precisely what 'art appreciation' means. And there is also the side of that discussion where people talk about whether or not his costume and outfit choices suit him or look good on him. In my opinion that's harmless. We wouldn't be talking about it if we didn't like him or find him interesting.

 

I don't think comments, joking or otherwise, about an athlete's health or training choices are appropriate though, unless it comes from a place of genuine concern ( for example, when people worry that Yuzu is trying jumps he shouldn't while recovering from injury. That's ok to worry about.)

 

On the flip side,though, I find it strange that some people think that in order to be a fan, you have to unquestioningly adore and cheer on every single thing about him, and never ever utter a critical word. To my way of thinking, this is actually a little dangerous, because it implies that people shouldn't think for themselves and that there's only one way to be a fan. To my mind, that's on the same level as fans who write to Brian Orser scolding him for "making" Yuzu do jumps he fell on...when any fool can clearly see that no one "makes" Yuzu do anything. 

 

In short, there are many ways to appreciate Yuzuru Hanyu, and if someone is appreciating him differently from you, it doesn't mean they're less of a fan, so just enjoy the fact that you both like the same thing and leave it at that.

[Coquelicot]

We've all heard Mewzuru before, but how about Pawnyu?    (Apologies if this has already been posted.)

 

Source: https://zebra-sharks.tumblr.com/ 

[rockstaryuzu]

2 hours ago, Xen said:

On a serious subject.

As you all know, I kind of um, created the quad harem ladies, inspired by Yuzu one time humanizing his quads.

Now of course, there will be furious debate over why his quads are female, and some will question why they are not male.

So I thought, yes, fair argument. Why has my imagination not extended to male quads yet?

Of course, you can't really make a male quad harem, so naturally, I thought japan--> samurai--> sengoku--> sengoku basara. And so on. So maybe I should go the direction of sengoku daimyo quads? If so, which daimyo do you guys think fit each quad's personality? =D

 

 

I know it's the wrong time period but I vote for 4A being Oda Nobunaga...as both represent great ambition. And if we using Lord Of The Rings as a reference, 4A would be the One Ring because it rules all other jumps. 

 

 

So I've had some time to read back through the last several pages and satellites, I want to apologize. I never dreamed my joking remark about Dory would trigger such an avalanche of disputation and I'm sorry that happened. However, I'm very glad to see so many satellites support free exchange of opinion. I do think this is one of the more positive forums on the 'Net, not just in Yuzu fandom but overall. So I felt that I could speak my mind a bit.

[Xen]

1 minute ago, rockstaryuzu said:

I know it's the wrong time period but I vote for 4A being Oda Nobunaga...as both represent great ambition. And if we using Lord Of The Rings as a reference, 4A would be the One Ring because it rules all other jumps. 

 

Hmm...well yes, it would fit for the ambition, and it helps that Odaddy himself has a pretty decent 3A, though I wonder how Oda Nobunaga would feel to be used to rep 4A that would be done by someone who is not his descendant. 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

19 時間前, rockstaryuzuさんが言いました:

That, and acting cute is a bit of a Japanese thing anyway. Are you familiar with other Japanese celebs (actors, singers, etc?) ? If you watch the Japanese entertainment world, you'll see a lot of 'cute' behaviours from both men and women, some much much older than Yuzu. 

 

I think it's important to make a distinction here: acting dominant, as Yuzu often does, is not really related to being either masculine or feminine. It's a social trait that can be expressed by both genders. 

 

I know some of them. Vaguely. And I have an inkling as to what you mean. But I don't think it's necessarily only a celebrity thing. 

 

And yeah I'm aware of the difference. And in knowing that, I'm saying Hanyu screams alpha male to me. He did from the moment I first saw him, when all my eyes saw was a cute skinny immensely talented kid who looked like he could be easily snapped into two by one of the bigger guys and whose antics at the kiss and cry should really have me convinced he was harmless but my lizard brain somehow kept insisting the opposite.

 

Also, I'm sorry to bring this up again but since I was quoted, I felt like I was being singled out and as such feel the need to say something:

 

11 時間前, Lenylanさんが言いました:

I would like that plenty of people don't feel the need to judge his choices as they're "dubious" because he is the skater, he is the one who performs, he is the one who expend a lot of time making his choices and not a single person here would have the right to tell his choices are "dubious" maybe you don't like them, but not as if they are wrong choises.  I guess this is a supporting forum, or am I wrong? 

 

Huh? But I already worded that sentence in a way that should make it clear it's merely an opinion, not fact. You seemed to have missed all of that and chose to focus on a single word choice. I said we felt some of his choices were dubious not that they actually were. And we're not telling him, we're only discussing it among ourselves. And even if he ever were to ask fans for feedback, I'll still give him my honest opinion. When I give feedback or an opinion, I prefer to be honest about them, even if they can be strong sometimes. Because that's how I show respect and support. And that's how I want to be shown them.

 

Also, I think I should clarify this: I said "we" because other people question his other choices but for me, I've only ever found one of his choices to be dubious and it's costume-related. As an individual, I really don't have any negative opinions about anything else he does. Others do, however, but since none of them are meant as personal attacks on him, and most are done with a lot of affection behind it, I never saw a problem with it.

 

I also haven't seen anyone here saying that he should change who he is. In fact, I said that we love him the way he is, idiosyncrasies and all, almost immediately after. For some reason, you have chosen to ignore all that.

 

I try not to be judgmental about most things, including fans and how they choose to support him. And certainly there are things we shouldn't judge at all. But similarly there are some things I feel is okay to judge. In this case, it's show costumes and what-not, because it's harmless and meant to be constructive and teasing not destructive. 

 

You seem to have a very self-righteous way of stating your views, btw, which can come off as condescending. And as for your views, you have a very rigid and conservative idea as to how a fan should act, plus a penchant for policing others towards how you think they should behave. I dunno about anybody else but that sounds a lot like control issues to me.

 

I have to say it's pretty ironic, though. For someone who's saying how something we find personally offensive doesn't mean it actually is, you sure seem to think what you find personally offensive is offensive to the world at large. And in doing so, offending quite a number of people here yourself. I won't judge you for your, frankly, very black and white views, but I'm not sure if others would appreciate being policed when they haven't actually done anything wrong (because if they were, many would have voiced out against their actions). I certainly don't.

 

I hope others here don't mind my speaking for them but as much as we're fans and supporters of Hanyu, we're also the audience and as the audience, we're allowed to have likes and dislikes and voice them. Audiences are basically also judges, after all. And as judges, we are already highly biased towards Hanyu. Maintaining a bit of objectivity to balance things out a little certainly wouldn't hurt. Besides, I don't think any of us expect a change just because we said we don't particularly like something, but that's not what fan discussions are for anyway. We may not agree with some of his choices but it doesn't mean we don't support them. But if simply by not having a favorable reaction to everything he chooses and having to audacity to reveal it is not being a fan in your books, well, you're probably not going to like it here very much because people here are going to keep supporting him their own ways , and these ways are many.

 

I also think being able to have conversations like this while remaining civil is another highlight of this forum. The level of tolerance and patience is very high here. As is the level of courtesy. You don't get blown off or shut down for having serious discussions where tensions run a bit higher than usual. If you're not able to differentiate what we have here from what we get elsewhere, then you're never really going to find anywhere you can be happy in. I heard Hanyu himself is also a bit of an opinionated loudmouth. He as much as admitted it himself. You may very well end up not liking him either if you ever got to know him as a person so...I would really try to broaden my horizons, if I were you. I guarantee you'll feel lighter if you do. You may even find yourself beginning to enjoy other forums as well.

[rockstaryuzu]

7 minutes ago, Xen said:

Hmm...well yes, it would fit for the ambition, and it helps that Odaddy himself has a pretty decent 3A, though I wonder how Oda Nobunaga would feel to be used to rep 4A that would be done by someone who is not his descendant. 

Heh, considering he wanted to unite Japan, he'd be delighted that it was someone Japanese doing it.

[vanadiezz]

7 minutes ago, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

I've only ever found one of choices to be dubious and it's costume-related. As an individual, I really don't have any negative opinions about anything else he does. 

 

No negative opinion about, God forbid, butt spin? 

 

~Sorry, cannot help to tease you a bit about this since that is like the most bemoaned thing I've ever seen in forums. 

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[Fay]

1 minute ago, vanadiezz said:

 

No negative opinion about, God forbid, butt spin? 

 

~Sorry, cannot help to tease you a bit about this since that is like the most bemoaned thing I've ever seen in forums. 

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Leave that butt... spin alone! He’s the only one who looks pretty in it! 

[rockstaryuzu]

12 minutes ago, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

I'm saying Hanyu screams alpha male to me

Yes, no argument. If you mean alpha in the sense of "strongest wolf, the one who leads the pack." I'm saying it's precisely because he's that, that he can make some really typically feminine artistic choices and get away with it. 

[Cerunias]

5 minutes ago, vanadiezz said:

 

No negative opinion about, God forbid, butt spin? 

 

~Sorry, cannot help to tease you a bit about this since that is like the most bemoaned thing I've ever seen in forums. 

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How could anyone have a negative opinion about that butt spin when he looked like he was having so much fun? That pure enjoyment and the warmth of that laugh whilst he was doing it (as captured in the PC EX practice) was enough to unfreeze the iciest of souls...

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

9 分, vanadiezzさんが言いました:

 

No negative opinion about, God forbid, butt spin? 

 

~Sorry, cannot help to tease you a bit about this since that is like the most bemoaned thing I've ever seen in forums. 

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...nope. I think it was really cute in its awkwardness when he was younger but now he has grown beautifully into it. Like, literally.

 

....please don't judge me. >_<

[OonsieHui]

1 minute ago, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

 

...nope. I think it was really cute in its awkwardness when he was younger but now he has grown beautifully into it. Literally.

 

....please don't judge me. >_<

 

No judgement from this corner! I myself will admit his undeniably superior.... assets.... do help! Although of course it's with his ability that he's somehow managed, at least to me, to make it look much smoother!

 

Now.... about that un-named foot over head spin that only he does..... 

[Ajora]

25 minutes ago, Coquelicot said:

We've all heard Mewzuru before, but how about Pawnyu?    (Apologies if this has already been posted.)

 

https://www.tumblr.com/search/yuzuru+hanyu 

 

I have no idea what's happening here, but I love it with all my heart. 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

8 分, rockstaryuzuさんが言いました:

Yes, no argument. If you mean alpha in the sense of "strongest wolf, the one who leads the pack." I'm saying it's precisely because he's that, that he can make some really typically feminine artistic choices and get away with it. 

 

Right on the money! That's the exact same page I'm on. ^^

 

1 分, OonsieHuiさんが言いました:

 

No judgement from this corner! I myself will admit his undeniably superior.... assets.... do help! Although of course it's with his ability that he's somehow managed, at least to me, to make it look much smoother!

 

Now.... about that un-named foot over head spin that only he does..... 

 

Hahaha...I like the little bit of awkwardness he still somehow retains in his otherwise very smoothly choreo'd and performed programs. It's like a signature by now.