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What entry does Boyang use for his 4Ts? It's not a 3-turn. I think it's mohawk->change of foot->tap? I mean, that's not a difficult entry, at least.

Isn't a mohawk a standard entry for the toeloop, too?

He can enjoy his time in Korea now! With Orser and Cha and ... Zhou.

Awww I thought he pulled it off quite well

Why not? And why Marin's?

Not true -- look at Daleman's 3T-3T. PR'd 180 degrees, but keeps blade off the ice. Wouldn't get the vault if she didn't I think. I think she might be using her leg strength there.

Gabriel Daleman has a weak take-off on her 3T-3T. She has nice amplitude, but compare it to Yuna who picks and and jumps and then rotates, to Daleman's who swings her leg and spins around on the toe-pick. The difference is striking.

Kristi Yamaguchi crashed once I think.

Hahaha Don't fuss it with the PR, too much, remember that 180 degrees is allowed. I do think Radio's is less rotated than Marin's though. And 120 degrees on toe-loop is actually great! I think most guys do it between 90-120.

Can you confirm PR on Radio and Honda's combos? I think Honda does 180 on both jumps, which would make both borderline, but feel like Radio does 270 on her toe, which would definitely make it UR. I absolutely hate these "twist the body and leg" take-offs, Yuna has spoiled me with her clean technique. And Tukt, for that matter. Don't even know what I should take the take-off direction to be! Honda: I think the Flip's definitely fine, would give benefit of doubt on toe-loop... Loop's fine, too. This skater is... not a jumper, that's for sure. Radio: would mark 3T<, and I think 3Lz is borderline (I think I'm taking the take-off direction to be correct)

You know what? This is my headcanon. It was star wars, and he was trying to be beamed up. IN: 10. The judges just didn't get him. He has dang expensive tastes:

I don't think Marin under-rotated? Her flip looked fine, and her 3T might be borderline... Tukt's 3Lz is really beautiful.

Dammit

@Xen you called 3Lz-3T for Zagitova...

Those are ISU definitions, I guess.

Are we counting slight outside edges and flats as lips? Technically those are fine. Similarly, what are the rules for flutzes? If someone rolls over to a flat or inside edge before take-off, but still had the counter-rotation, are those flutzes, too?

I'm actually really not sure haha. I'd say yes if you're being lenient, because they did 10 turns. Also @Xen why is Wakaba's Flip (!)? It looked fine to me.

Gabby barely held her catchfoot for two positions, looked more like a 1 and a half turn. Should she even be getting a level? Spins are so useless to judge when half of them aren't even done to the music.

You'd have to grade the loop, and then apply the deduction. So if it's a +1 loop, then you can assign either 0 or -1.

Does anyone know why so much of Boyang's program was changed since Finlandia?

LOL literally only Zag, Higuchi, and Tukt kept me awake through that. Can we give half increments to elements? I want to give Zagitova more points, but I can't really do +2, and I think +1 is too low. Temporary points, with explanations on demand! zag FCSp4 +1.5 StSq4 +1 3Lz-3Lo< -3 3F +1 2A +1 LSp4 +1.5 CCoSp4 +1.5 SS: 8.00 TR: 8.25 PE: 8.00 CO: 7.50 IN: 7.75= 31.6 honda 3F-3T +1 SSp4 +1 StSq4 +1.5 CCoSp4 +1.5 3Lo +1 2A +1 SS: 8.50 TR: 8.25 PE: 7.50 CO: 7.75 IN: 8.25 = 32.2 tukt 3T-3T +1.5 LSp +0.5 3Lz +2 -1 for lack of preceding steps = +1 StSq +1 2A +1.5 FCSp4 +0 CCoSp4 +1 SS: 7.50 TR: 7.75 PE: 8.25 CO: 8.25 IN: 8.00 = 31.4 choi 3Lz-3T<? +0.5 CCoSp4 +1 FCSp4 +1 3F +1 2A +1 StSq +1 LSp4 +1 SS: 7.75 TR: 7.50 PE: 7.50 CO: 7.75 IN: 7.50 = 30.4 mihara 3Lz-3T 0 FCSp4 +1 SSp4 +1 2A +1.5 3F +1.5 StSq +1.5 LSp4: +1.5 SS: 8.25 TR: 8.00 PE: 8.00 CO: 8.00 IN: 8.00 = 32.2 higuchi 2A +2 FCSp4: +1 CCoSp4: +1.5 3Lz-3T +2 3F +1.5 StSq +1.5 LSp4: +1.5 SS: 8.25 TR: 8.25 PE: 8.50 CO: 8.25 IN: 8.50 = 33.4 Radio 3Lz-3T<? +0.5 FCSp4 +1 CCoSp4: +0.5 3Lo +1 2A +0.5 StSq +1 LSp4 +1.5 SS: 8.00 TR: 8.00 PE: 8.25 CO: 8.00 IN: 8.25 = 32.4 Dale 3T-3T +1.5 FCsp4 +1 3Lz +1.5 2A +1.5 StSq +1 CCoSp4 +1 (I'm sure she did a layback somewhere, but goodness don't make me watch that again) SS: 8.00 TR: 8.00 PE: 8.00 CO: 7.50 IN: 7.50 = 31.2 (Ignore levels, there's a reason I didn't calculate TES) I think that's 1) Higuchi; 2) Honda; 3) Zagitova.

@robin All the ladies, or a subset?

Considering how ice dance is, and how they're probably third best again... yeah.

It's OK, they have different qualities.

I find your description for Yuzuru fitting Yuna so much, though her edge quality wasn't quite the same as Kostner's.