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I'm still going to faint on account of not being able to breathe because I'll be screaming and never stopping. But it's okay, he'll have to do it in practice before actual competition, even he can't just wing 4A during programme without testing it out in the rink and on that ice. Maybe we should move to chatango for practice 4A vigil for his next few competitions. Seeing him go for it will crash Planet servers. ETA: Are all 4000s ranked 4A now? Post count and rank, I mean. It's apt, of course, but I can't seem to find anybody else on 4000s to check. I haven't set mine to anything but I've been 4A for a while now.

Yes but now I faint a little bit each day, more some days, less some days. I'd rather just have a sudden surprise fainting day.

I wonder if everybody is under instructions not to say anything more about the 4A than what he has said - that he is training it and it's not there yet. Like Japan media and the 4Lz last season.

I wanna seeeeee!!!

After every senior competition without Yuzu, I think I come here and whine about how much the world needs him to skate like, right now.

Everything seems to be working for me, too, today!

It's not making any difference to me. A couple of tweets loaded on the page before I switched to Test theme and only those tweets loaded after I refreshed a couple of times, too. Been like that for a couple of days, maybe two out of ten tweets show up as tweets and the rest show up looking like text.

Do we know when he started landing 4Lo and 4Lz in practice? Like, just hearsay? Because my impression is that he manages to land them, then he goes on to train the jumps seriously for long months before he starts putting it in his programmes, and then it still takes time for it to stabilise. Like the 4Lo, he was on it for a long time. The 4Lz, there were reports well before that off season. Even a few suggestions that he'd been doing H&L runthroughs with 4Lz as his last jump, occasionally. After all that and an off season, he finally brought it into competition. Judging by that, he has to have landed the 4A already. Otherwise, what's he trying to do? Learn how to land it without UR, then learn to do it with steps before it, and then learn how to do it within his competition programme all in the span of about six to seven months? I don't think even Yuzu can do that. It would be utterly insane to try, he'd be risking breaking himself into pieces to try that. Honestly, the best case scenario for us would be if he has already landed it and comfortably with at least fifty percent +GOE percentage in practice. Because without that, this particular goal he's set for himself is incredibly risky. He'll go for it at some point because he's never said he'd do something and not done it but he has to be at least that far along for it to be a realistic goal.

We don't even know if he'll go for 4CC or WTT this season. The only time he asked to go to 4CC is when it was being held at PC, wasn't it? That would've been Olys prep in the long run. As for WTT, if what he wants is to land a 4A that everybody acknowledges, has no questions attached to it, it will not be at WTT. Zhenya held WRs set at WTT and the prevailing opinion was that they shouldn't really count because it was just WTT. As for the Brian thing, I was just responding to the 'Brian has talked up imperfect jumps before' bit. He's never done that with Yuzu. Nobody from TCC has done that with Yuzu, actually, so if Ghislain said he's not putting it in the programme because he's not landing it every time, then I'd say it's because he's not landing it every time. He's not landing it every time implies he's landing it some of the time, UR is not really landing it by his standards. I didn't hear the 'not quite there yet' bit from PJ the last time I listened to it, but PJ is not at TCC all the time so that's just subtracting a cryptid sighting from it. For me the bottomline really is that they all said he's going to do it this season. He said he's going to do it this season. There's just no way he would set that as an actual deadline for this season, to put it in his programme and land it in competition, unless he has already landed it in practice outside of run throughs at the very least. The gap between landing it after just skating across the rink and landing it in competition, is so huge. I don't think even he could bridge that gap over the span of one season if he hadn't already done it without UR enough times to make putting it in programme a realistic goal.

When I saw that interview, that's not how I interpreted it. Shae said it looked like he was just going to take off and just fly off, and PJ said not quite to that - like not quite flying away, but almost. I didn't hear it as the 4A is not quite there, at all. I heard it as not quite defying gravity entirely and flying, he does land, like a joking remark. I can't recall the exact words but it was like 'it's something else, he's just up and away'' and replied with 'Not quite but almost.' She literally said she'd seen the 4A before saying that, she didn't say she'd seen a UR or a fall on a 4A, she'd seen it, and they both agreed. Ghislain said he's not putting it in the programme because he's not landing it every time, not because he cannot land it fully rotated. And Brian has never actually talked up Yuzu's jumps if they're flawed, as far as I can remember. He's done it with others. I think Yuzu controls what is said about his jumps. He said he's doing it this season, and he's never said that and not done it, so unless you think he's going to try it for the first time as he tries for a historic fifth GPF competing against the top skaters with no cushion, or as he goes for his third Worlds, there are only two options. At the GPs he could win if he flubs a jump and skates the rest clean, there's only one skater at each who can beat him if they go clean and he makes a mistake at GPs. At GPF or Worlds, there will be considerably more skaters who can catch up if he makes a mistake. If he falls on 4A, he'll need everybody else to splat at least once to have a chance of winning. I don't think he's taking that risk. He might even end up off podium.

Nope because I think he was a lying liar about still not fully rotating it back then. All the reported sightings we've had, and Ghislain's 'not landing it every time' are all from around that time, too. Even PJ. And Shae. None of them would be so in awe of an UR 4A, we've seen UR 4A from Artur. I'm still sure that it's far more about his stamina and putting it in the programme than about landing it at all. ETA: And what kind of fools does he think we all are, two-footed jumps are UR more often than not, they're two-footed because they reach the ice before the feet are in position for landing!

Making sure we have cushioning for when we faint I suppose.

Has everybody seen Jason's Can't Stop the Feeling from Carnival on Ice? Here we all thought Jason was the one guy who didn't need TCC special skills and well, maybe he didn't need them but he has upped his skating skills and edge work considerably and his spirals and his spins have improved and my God if he gets those quads stabilised this season he's hands down the best US guy for me, not even a question! ETA:

Ah yes I forgot he had some kind of setback and had to stop for a while in the middle. His 3A looked good even back when he announced his comeback. Well, lots of first pancakes this season!

I have the problem on Opera too. But it might be a Twitter problem, I haven't checked anywhere else.

Wow, his triples look good! And the stsq is lovely. His spins have, ummm, not improved.

So, never? I think GOE differences will be far more unpredictable this season because each judge seems to have a highly personalised interpretation of the guidelines. Changes from one competition to another, differences within the same competition - it's been pretty wild.

Last OT about this from me though - I think Davis/White did spend time with Bollywood choreographers who did work with them for that programme, and Bollywood isn't exactly high culture. I cringe purely because it feels very weird to see Bollywood in figure skating and most of that industry doesn't appeal to me anyway. They're probably an example of how it's possible to collaborate with respect.

Politics are not to be discussed on the forum, and unless you would like to ask mods and admins to change that policy and start one thread for politics, including identity politics, could you please not bring this thinly-veiled reverse racism-ish comments to Planet Hanyu? There are plenty of people here from non-American and non-European countries who could carry this particular thread on (and explain exactly why the things you compared are not the same in essence - would you like me, an Indian who has lived in Europe, to do that?) if you truly wish to pursue it, but if you do not wish to pursue it and do not wish to start a discussion after talking to mods and admins, if they feel inclined to change the rules for you, then please do stop. If the rules of the forum will not be changed to indulge your discussion, then also, please respect that, as well.

Axel-off, between Yuzu and Waka! YES!

Wakaba's SP last season! It wasn't as iconic as Skyfall but it was still very good. OT But she is such an excellent performer, and she takes risks, I love how her team is developing her range. I try not to see parallels because people are people and people's lives are not tropes, but... you know, Boston 2012, Milan 2018, the performance ability, stepping outside all the boxes by choosing different kinds of programmes, having serious trouble with the Flip edge, really nice axels. Of course I know there are plenty of differences, too, and it's a lot of confirmation bias because I really love Wakaba too, but my brain keeps seeing similar steps taken by Wakaba and Yuzu at around that age.

I'll fight anybody who tells me it won't happen!

Nobunari Oda fan club, here and ready! Yuzu needs a good seven to eight years before he can pull that off. That. That... I've gotta go watch that about a million times more, brb. Send help if I don't brb.

Zu!!! Cat costume! Do iiiittt! Think of how happy Stephane will be! What a tribute! You can put your very own space twist on it!