2019 Russian Ladies World Team Selection

[Fay]

1 minute ago, Yume said:

Then they should send a note saying "honey, don't work that hard. Even if you do better, we have already made our choice". And mostly they should not say to a girl who was ill to prepare for worlds if it's for ditching her at the end. 

Well, she was given a chance, she didn’t win, did she. She did try to fight back. She could have won, had she not fallen on her 3A in the short and popped her 3T in 3Lz3T. It was that close. 

Ok, you can say that Evgenia was overscored technically - you know what the news is? Elizaveta was overscored in her second mark - no way would she have got her PCS internationally. She was quite slow and cautious - slower than usual, in fact. 

 

[Paskud]

4 minutes ago, Fay said:

Well, she was given a chance, she didn’t win, did she. She did try to fight back. She could have won, had she not fallen on her 3A in the short and popped her 3T in 3Lz3T. It was that close. 

Ok, you can say that Evgenia was overscored technically - you know what the news is? Elizaveta was overscored in her second mark - no way would she have got her PCS internationally. She was quite slow and cautious - slower than usual, in fact. 

 

You know what the news is? Evgenia was overscored in second mark as well. You know what is even funnier? She got more GOE on her lutz than Liza.

[Yume]

6 minutes ago, Fay said:

Well, she was given a chance, she didn’t win, did she. She did try to fight back. She could have won, had she not fallen on her 3A in the short and popped her 3T in 3Lz3T. It was that close. 

Ok, you can say that Evgenia was overscored technically - you know what the news is? Elizaveta was overscored in her second mark - no way would she have got her PCS internationally. She was quite slow and cautious - slower than usual, in fact. 

 

She won actually. In the fair word where Rusfed doesn't want to live.

 

The judging gave an absolute fake picture of the level of the two skaters. Give Liza the 66 PCS that she got in GP for the same quality of skate and she still has almost mid 140s. Give Medvedeva 70 PCS (her SB) that she got in a challenger for the same skate, call her flutz, call her URs, give her appropriate GOEs and she's far behind Liza.

[Yuazz]

I'm still in my opinion that Liza deserves the spot more than Med. Liza is doing great at international competition this season and get season best higher than Med. 

[Fay]

8 minutes ago, Paskud said:

You know what the news is? Evgenia was overscored in second mark as well. You know what is even funnier? She got more GOE on her lutz than Liza.

Mmmm. She was slower and less expressive than at GPF, she was pretty tentative in fact. I watched it too. No offence, she hasn’t recovered, so she was being really careful and wasn’t really into even that last choreographic  sequence where she would finally come alive after jumping all her jumps. Sorry, Liza was overscored far more. 

But again, it would not have been the first case of a favourite being held up - so it was last few seasons that played against Liza’s reputation. A real shame - both skated better programs than any skated at Europeans, in fact. 

But you can happily carry on grumbling - won’t change much. Favourites have always been held up. Not good, but it just happens. 

 

 

 

[Paskud]

11 minutes ago, Fay said:

Mmmm. She was slower and less expressive than at GPF, she was pretty tentative in fact. I watched it too. No offence, she hasn’t recovered, so she was being really careful and wasn’t really into even that last choreographic  sequence where she would finally come alive after jumping all her jumps. Sorry, Liza was overscored far more. 

But again, it would not have been the first case of a favourite being held up - so it was last few seasons that played against Liza’s reputation. A real shame - both skated better programs than any skated at Europeans, in fact. 

But you can happily carry on grumbling - won’t change much. Favourites have always been held up. Not good, but it just happens. 

 

 

 

I know it isn't first example in history when fed's darling is send over another skater who, for example, had by far better season or has better scoring potential, not only in Russia. I expected this team. But it isn't excuse for me to not be disgusted with that situation.

[Yuazz]

2 minutes ago, Paskud said:

I know it isn't first example in history when fed's darling is send over another skater who for example had by far better season or has better scoring potential, not only in Russia. I expected this team. But it isn't excuse for me to not be disgasted with that situation.

And that's how they kill the sport. Unfairness. 

[Fay]

Just now, Paskud said:

I know it isn't first example in history when fed's darling is send over another skater who for example had by far better season or has better scoring potential, not only in Russia. I expected this team. But it isn't excuse for me to not be disgasted with that situation.

I understand your feelings. In fact, I feel sorry not for only Liza, but for Zhenya, since she’s finding herself under enormous pressure now. She wanted this and she fought for it teeth and nail, but she has to come up with something better at the Worlds, or get buried and vilified. So if it’s any comfort, the punishment might be in store for her. 

A failure to deliver from anyone else wouldn’t have been so severely judged. In her case, it will cost her dearly... 

[Fay]

2 minutes ago, Yuazz said:

And that's how they kill the sport. Unfairness. 

Come on, this sport has survived decades with this unfairness - and is likely to live on with it. Sometimes you just have to transcend the sport so much to make a real breakthrough, try and be an all round skater - or you’re put in a long queue. There’s very little time within which you have to prove your point - and you just learn to play it by the rules. Now the coach never wanted to play it by the rule in this case...

Liza is a great jumper, but sadly her coaching team disregards skating skills, transitions, choreography, spins... so her programs do look antiquated and empty. Compared to her, Zhenya’s past programs filled with zillions of transitional elements looked a bit more fresh - so coupled with her consistency they brought her a reputation which was eagerly held up by the Federation. Now she has hit rough waters and has had to make quite a few changes on the way, because the old technique and skating skills don’t hold together anymore, but her past reputation helps her. 

Will we get a Russian skater with great jumping technique and good skating skills like Rika’s? See the further development of our series - so far I don’t see so many candidates for an all-round skater... 

[wpisces]

10 minutes ago, Fay said:

I understand your feelings. In fact, I feel sorry not for only Liza, but for Zhenya, since she’s finding herself under enormous pressure now. She wanted this and she fought for it teeth and nail, but she has to come up with something better at the Worlds, or get buried and vilified. So if it’s any comfort, the punishment might be in store for her. 

A failure to deliver from anyone else wouldn’t have been so severely judged. In her case, it will cost her dearly... 

Ofc she does. After all of PR that her team has done.

[Fay]

Just now, wpisces said:

Ofc she does. After all of PR that her team has done.

I don’t understand what you mean by PR.

[yuzuangel]

1 hour ago, Yume said:

And mostly they should not say to a girl who was ill to prepare for worlds if it's for ditching her at the end. 

 Poor Liza.

 

I'm happy for Zhenya, though. Personally I'd rather see her but I would have sent Liza after showing good form at Russian Cup. But honestly, from the perspective of spots and scores rather than fairness I wouldn't say that Liza was an OBVIOUS choice. I'd say their expected placement is....more or less equal IMO. And honestly, 3 spots is never in question unless some skaters have the skates of their lives and the Russian ladies bomb big time. Which is unlikely.

 

I also personally think Zhenya needs mileage on her new tech more than Liza does. I would put more weight on her making it to Beijing than Liza...but that's just my own gut feeling for no real reason other than trusting Zhenya's willpower and mental game more.

[Paskud]

3 minutes ago, Fay said:

Will we get a Russian skater with great jumping technique and good skating skills like Rika’s? See the further development of our series - so far I don’t see so many candidates for an all-round skater... 

Gubanova with better programs would slay whole world. *sad sigh*

[Yuazz]

3 minutes ago, Fay said:

Come on, this sport has survived decades with this unfairness - and is likely to live on with it. Sometimes you just have to transcend the sport so much to make a real breakthrough, try and be an all round skater - or you’re put in a long queue. There’s very little time within which you have to prove your point - and you just learn to play it by the rules. Now the coach never wanted to play it by the rule in this case...

Liza is a great jumper, but sadly her coaching team disregards skating skills, transitions, choreography, spins... so her programs do look antiquated and empty. Compared to her, Zhenya’s past programs filled with zillions of transitional elements looked a bit more fresh - so coupled with her consistency they brought her a reputation which was eagerly held up by the Federation. Now she has hit rough waters and has had to make quite a few changes on the way, because the old technique and skating skills don’t hold together anymore, but her past reputation helps her. 

Will we get a Russian skater with great jumping technique and good skating skills like Rika’s? See the further development of our series - so far I don’t see so many candidates for an all-round skater... 

Tbh I've never been interested in sport before. After I find out about yuzuru in 2016 I started to follow this sport. And while I learning about this sport I find this called unfairness and questionable judging was there. So sad that this beautiful sport has became like this in my eyes. Ofc this sport will survived even with questionable judging.. I just feeling sad and it kills my interest in following the sport in the future. I guess I will stay as long as yuzu competing. 😔

[Fay]

1 minute ago, Yuazz said:

Tbh I've never been interested in sport before. After I find out about yuzuru in 2016 I started to follow this sport. And while I learning about this sport I find this called unfairness and questionable judging was there. So sad that this beautiful sport has became like this in my eyes. Ofc this sport will survived even with questionable judging.. I just feeling sad and it kills my interest in following the sport in the future. I guess I will stay as long as yuzu competing. 😔

It has its own moments when it goes beyond the unfairness - and those moments are magical.