Murieleirum Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said: Yes, the easy to digest part is what I was first thinking of there. I know an athlete who swears by them for that reason, it is super easy on the stomach, there's no feeling of fullness or heaviness, yet you get all you need. I just call them energy drinks because I am lazy Plus, we always see Yuzu drinking that orange stuff, so I think he is similar to that athlete you know and he likes drinks best instead of real food when he is skating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yatagarasu Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 Lombardia entries are up. We'll have a proper event thread closer to the time of the event of course but thought I'd leave the info here as well, as we'll be seeing properly for the first time this season some very interesting names, and that's right before Yuzuru himself goes out at ACI. Shoma, D10, Deniss, Petrov (will be curious to see him in Seniors), Majorov and Jason Brown, so should be a nice few days for us all before the big event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 So Jackie has kindly consolidated all the 4Lz news we've been hearing this off-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Everyone's 4lutzing... no wonder zuzu is a bit meh about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 57 minutes ago, kaeryth said: Everyone's 4lutzing... no wonder zuzu is a bit meh about it Someone pointed out Keegan Messing and Conrad Orzel are also trying to add it. So yeah, so many skaters trying it out it looks like lol. Makes me wonder why the 4Lz is the go-to quad after the 4T. It seems like there are even more skaters attempting the 4Lz than the 4S. Or is it just because trying the 4Lz gets more buzz going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelsandwich Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 28 minutes ago, katonice said: Someone pointed out Keegan Messing and Conrad Orzel are also trying to add it. So yeah, so many skaters trying it out it looks like lol. Makes me wonder why the 4Lz is the go-to quad after the 4T. It seems like there are even more skaters attempting the 4Lz than the 4S. Or is it just because trying the 4Lz gets more buzz going? Doesn't it get the most BV apart from axel? Guess if you had to choose between trying to train the 4S and 4Lz, you may as well try and get a handful more BV hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, kaerb said: Doesn't it get the most BV apart from axel? Guess if you had to choose between trying to train the 4S and 4Lz, you may as well try and get a handful more BV hmm.. It's supposedly the most difficult though. I'm starting to wonder now in terms of difficulty if it really is. But I guess it's different for various skaters. I guess many are just finding it easier lately to add the 4Lz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelsandwich Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just now, katonice said: It's supposedly the most difficult though. I'm starting to wonder now in terms of difficulty if it really is. But I guess it's different for various skaters. I guess many are just finding it easier lately to add the 4Lz. I feel like someone showing a 4Lz is actually achievable makes a huge difference (cheers Boyang). Tbh I think it isn't so much 'easier' to land the 4Lz as they feel like they should train to land it, and so they focus all their attention on perfecting the 4Lz (in terms of short term gain, it's worth more to train the 4Lz than the 4S). Have there been a lot of people who have both or have a lot of quads? (I'm not up to date w/ their layouts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, kaerb said: I feel like someone showing a 4Lz is actually achievable makes a huge difference (cheers Boyang). Tbh I think it isn't so much 'easier' to land the 4Lz as they feel like they should train to land it, and so they focus all their attention on perfecting the 4Lz (in terms of short term gain, it's worth more to train the 4Lz than the 4S). Have there been a lot of people who have both or have a lot of quads? (I'm not up to date w/ their layouts) Yeah, I think Boyang showing that it's possible started all this. To be fair, before it was 4S and 4T (i.e., "Javi" era). I just thought many of the new quadsters would focus more on the 4S first than the 4Lz. I'm thinking 4S isn't such big news anymore, which could mean less skaters are trying it first, or they're still trying it first but it doesn't make it to the news anymore lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelsandwich Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, katonice said: Yeah, I think Boyang showing that it's possible started all this. To be fair, before it was 4S and 4T (i.e., "Javi" era). I just thought many of the new quadsters would focus more on the 4S first than the 4Lz. I'm thinking 4S isn't such big news anymore, which could mean less skaters are trying it first, or they're still trying it first but it doesn't make it to the news anymore lol. Nah, I think...at the end of the day they're also teenage boys. Now they know the 4Lz is possible, they definitely would want to go for the biggest, flashiest jump with the most points I think a lot of them are skipping 4S to go straight for 4Lz tbh, but 4S is pretty normalised now so definitely possible it's just not really making the news. The girls on the other hand...so many 4S being rumoured right now among the juniors o _ o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katonice Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, kaerb said: Nah, I think...at the end of the day they're also teenage boys. Now they know the 4Lz is possible, they definitely would want to go for the biggest, flashiest jump with the most points I think a lot of them are skipping 4S to go straight for 4Lz tbh, but 4S is pretty normalised now so definitely possible it's just not really making the news. The girls on the other hand...so many 4S being rumoured right now among the juniors o _ o So can we expect to see the shock factor of 4Lz lessen next season? Maybe less "shocked" scoring from the judges? Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryth Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 BV alone makes it worth it to go for the 4Lz over the 4S. Even if you fall or pop that Lutz it'll still be worth more than a Salchow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyria Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 It's not only the BV, toe jumps are usually quicker to stabilize than edge jumps. And since everyone is racing against the clock to add quads, no wonder many choose to spend their time on the 4Lz the moment they see it as a possibility *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murieleirum Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Valkyria said: It's not only the BV, toe jumps are usually quicker to stabilize than edge jumps. yeah, which is why it's not even that fair that Loop and Salchow are not considered 'hard quads' anymore. But I guess I have a bias for edge jumps. I like them more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sombreuil Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I know what you mean- I like toe jumps that are subtle- with Yuzuru you hardly notice the use of the toe pick - some skaters really whack that pick in and you feel sorry for the ice crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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