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Hahaha happy 1 week everybody! We are still young and hopefully we will improve and be better for the days to come and could provide a good experience, a peaceful place and a happy home for current and future Yuzuru fans in the future. Let's continue supporting Yuzuru :yay:

They can. But shizuka has won olympics in 2006 (r****d since then) and Yuzuru won it again in 2014. Yet despite being the home of 2 japanese OGM in skating, they still face financial difficulties regardless, and it does not seem like there is any significant major improvement in terms of the skating department there. I don't even know who the active coaches are from Sendai now. And aside of Shun sato, not sure if there is any promising skater that seems to have potential to be big in the next quads. So... I would not hold my breath?

For sendai to be able to become a skating powerhouse it needs $$$, it is not necessarily about politics. Chukyo has collaboration with several company iirc, like toyota etc (kozuka is working there now if I am not wrong). So does Kansai Uni (recently I heard they have it with kinoshita group). From what I heard even until now sendai ice rink still face difficulty in financing themselves. Unless there is a rich corporation/company/mogul willing to pay/finance the skating programs, I doubt we will see it happening. It looks more feasible for waseda to be the one who open an adequate skating program than sendai, imo.

It is a place called the sports village. They provide a rink for ice rentals and you can see here from their schedule when it is booked haha. They are quite fully booked until the whole May. ETA : Marin honda and DW rented here too (saw from her instagram post). Basically mostly everybody. You can see different sessions are being booked.

Since 2014. Brian is the one who mentioned that Yuzuru landed his first 4Lz in the summer of 2014. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/02/06/figure-skating/orser-says-hanyu-back-in-training-working-on-quads/#.WQ3tgdKGPIU

Scheduled to do Radionova's LP May 2-7. Lol all the (possible) choreographers are busy then? But Jeff is doing SOI in toronto right? And if he goes for DW I don't think DW would spend all day/the entire day with Marin Honda? Is Elena going to Toronto then?

Agreed. She kind of have nothing to lose, imo. She should look ahead past pyeongchang and for me to include 3A now is a better option. I am not sure of her success rate (whether in rotation or landed ones), but that one in wtt that she tried looked great. If they can avoid a fall (stepout, hands down etc) it would even be more beneficial than doing 2A (because the points could be more than 5.5), especially if you are confident with the consistency of your rotation.

Or Mirai, if she URs consistently, that 3A, also probably a UR sure isn't going to help. I couldn't agree more really. If they can fully rotate the 3A, even with a fall, but do fine on their other triples it's definitely worth the risk. But a UR or worse, a DG, plus potential UR problems on other jumps and lol bust. Under-rotation is a problem for many ladies and cleaning that up is really a must. Yes! I think the greatest example for this is Yuzuru himself. He barely landed his 4S for 2 seasons, but because he always fully rotate it, it does not hurt his score at all as long as he landed (and fully rotate) his other jumps. I think this is the same for ladies. As long as they make sure that their 3A is fully rotated all the time, whether they land it or not is secondary (and the more you train it and the longer you get used to it in a program, sooner or later you will master it, Yuzu and 4S is a perfect example). A 3A fall still worth much more than a 2A anyway. (even with +2 goe, I think?) I forgot about Mirai, maybe cause she barely try it in competition.

She will choreograph for Wakaba, I heard, but she should be available for now because Wakaba is on tour. Elena is not doing choreo now too iirc, or ashley, if ashley is still using her.

Well, I am not against 3A actually, quite the contrary I think they should go for it. But my concern is that, unlike the men who would still get a fall on quad full points because they got it fully rotated, for ladies it is not always the case. I think, even if your 3A success rate (landed) is 30-50%, as long as you can get them fully rotated like 80-90% of the time, 3A is definitely worth the try. It will still garner higher points than a landed 2A with +1 goe. But if you can't get it fully rotated most of the time, that is a different thing and it is actually pretty risky. We have seen how 3A actually hurt Mao and Liza, but i think it is also partially because their other jumps were not always landed and that solid. For Riko and Rika, it seems like they can still get their other jumps in place despite failing the 3A. But then again, my concern is more on the success rate of the rotation rather than the success rate of the landed 3A.

I don't think Tchaikovsky for the LP is so far fetched actually! For the SP I lean more towards rock, jazz, pop but the LP, yeah. Why have 1 RnJ when you can have 2 (But if it came true I am going to laugh myself silly, trust me) I feel like he would do PW/LGC kind of program too for SP. Or who knows maybe he opt for a calm one like Chopin and then goes with something extra dramatic for the LP.

Well, yeah NHK and GPF really bring the average up for that season. But even if this season he does not score higher than what he received at NHK, you can see that his average score is still pretty high because on average, he did well. One other thing to note is that his layout makes his score suffer more when he does not land his jump (for example, if he flops his 4S3T combo, he probably would just receive 3 pts for that, due to the +Combo punishment, while other skaters who do their combo first is likely not going to lose so many points when they failed their jump). This is one of the reason why I think though average score gives you an overall image of someone's consistency and progress, it is not necessary accurate. Some mistakes are more costly in points than others. Look, he needs to complete the RnJ bingo. Besides, he could still be montague or capulet

Prokofiev's RnJ for SP and Tchaikovsky RnJ for LP

No problem, I got cross-eyed too when I look at protocols and scores and doing all the math and stats for his scores. So I feel your pain :space: I think 2015/16, due to NHK and GPF, it is just a given that his average PCS is going to be higher than 16/17 season. But his average performance this season imo is better than he has ever been in his entire senior season :D Anyway, this site is my go-to for the summary of his TES and PCS, (and protocols). You can check this one for reference instead of going through each protocols, it is easier :love: http://skatedb.net/modules/skateDB/index.php?page=player&playerid=618

My biggest concern about ladies doing 3A is the rotation. If they can't get the rotation called as full (whether they fall or not) like 80-90% of the time, if anything it will just be costly to their scores. getting 3A< fall or worse 3A<< fall is as if you lose an entire jumping box. Luckily riko and rika can still land their other jumps thus it hurt their score less. But the reason why many are reluctant to do 3A is particularly this issue.

Jina, I think there is a mistake here. His PCS for 2014/15 season in the LP is still pretty high. CoC : 84.02, NHK: 82.48 GPF: 91.78 (nats: 91.6) World : 88.64, WTT: 93.36. The average can't be 71.19. Also, the 2016/17 average PCS, is it really 96.6? He only received over 96 once at worlds (97) but the rest is below that so I think the average should be lower. This is his PCS from AC to worlds, respectively : 86.60, 88.12, 92.52, 92.36, 94.34, 97.03

About 4A, I post this at the old place before. But someone calculated his jump height previously. The height of his 3A is 47 cm (0.62 s airtime). If he needs 17 cm more, that requires him to jump with the height of 64 cm. The height of his 4T is 60 cm (0.7s airtime), but this is a toepick-assisted jump thus the assistance from the toepick when he takeoff helps him achieved more height. The height of his 4S is 53 cm (0.66 s airtime). Edge jump would have smaller height compared to toepick-assisted jumps, generally speaking. Kurt browning said that it might require just 8-10 cm more for Yuzuru to jump the 4A, and from the several things gathered , it is more or less true.

Lol Eteri's interview is always.... something :xD: She basically aired out the dirty laundry and the drama in her ice rinks, lmao. It is quite entertaining for me because I am not particularly a fan of her ex-skater but for their fans this would be quite of a sensitive thing to talk to. (She still scare the heck out of me until today, haha) Anyway she has always been consistent with her fondness to Yuzuru. She commended him as early as 2012 I think, and she stays very complimentary of him until now. Speaking of which, the Pitkeev and Voronov drama is a constant reminder to me how Javi and Yuzu could coexist (relatively) peacefully in the same rink is really something extraordinary.

Yes. True Lutzers bends their knee to keeps the outside edge and it creates this shape bending shape. While Fluzters always straighten their legs at take off. Miki (true Lutz) Vs Daisuke (Flutz): http://imgur.com/IAWph7Q It prob work the other way around for lipper too then

I noticed this from some skater. But maybe you are right it is not the gap but the shape instead. But then again some skaters just have weird ways of doing things like Anna P lutz for example, so it may not apply for everybody? No, Anna's legs and thighs have correct shape for the outside edge. Is this clearer: http://imgur.com/5fibDHP If you can not see their edge, look at their thighs. You meant to say true lutzer would likely bent their takeoff leg during takeoff (and it stays like that) while flutzer tend to straighten it up by takeoff thus the switch to the inside?

I noticed this from some skater. But maybe you are right it is not the gap but the shape instead. But then again some skaters just have weird ways of doing things like Anna P lutz for example, so it may not apply for everybody?

It was. Brian said there were days when Yuzuru only landed 4Lo once in a whole practice session/whole day. And this is with him off-ice for 2-3 months and all. If he could really make the best out of the off-season, I will just say I would not completely rule out adding that jump into the program.

I would not rule out his adding 4Lz. Simply because if you look at Nathan or Vincent, these two also do not have a successful and consistent 4Lz at the beginning of last season. They only include it last season and manage to make it competition ready within one season. I could say the same with Shoma and 4Lo in a sense. Another person that is successful in making a new jump pretty consistent in a short amount of time is Yuzuru himself with the 4Lo. One reason why it might be harder for him to do it in a more consistent manner and faster than the youngsters would be because he would insist on having crazy entries. Also Yuzuru has been training 4Lz since 2014 too. Brian has said he landed it since 2014. Just because there is no footage of it cleanly landed, does not mean that this is a completely new jump that he has not been doing and training regularly for a while. I do think whether he add it or not will be highly dependent on how the state of that jump would be by the end of the off-season though.

What jinabee said about the curve of the jump is true. Though technically speaking, a jump is still identified by take off edge and whether it is toepick-assisted or not. Also, agreed with Meoima. I think even without the entry or looking at the takeoff edge, you can kind of still identify it. Yuzuru did not have that typical long prep going into a lutz, for example. For some, it is quite noticeable because the gap between their thigh/leg is quite huge when doing the flip but very narrow when doing the lutz. Do I make sense?

Partially because of the zayak rule. You can only repeat a jump twice in the LP and only once in the SP (unless it is a 3T3T). So let's say a skater do 3Lz3T 3Fe and 2A. That means if you count that 3Fe as 3Lz that person would be going against the rules. Or a layout like this 3Lz3T 3Fe/ 3Felo3S 3Lz 2A2T 2A 3Lo. If all the 3Fe is counted as lutz then the skater would do 3Lz 4 times, and that is against the rules. Secondly, I would not call a flutz (3Lze) a flip, or a lip (3Fe) a lutz. In my opinion, I don't think they are the same jump. A true lutz would stay at the outside edge before and at the moment of takeoff while those who lip usually would "attempt" to take off at the inside but then switch to the outside at the moment of takeoff. Do I make sense? Flutzing and lipping is characterized by skaters switching the edge right at/near the moment of take off. Usually the tracing of the blade could also tell you how a skater switch edges or went flat went flutzing or lipping. Also I am not that knowledgeable, because I did not really skate like actual skaters. I just read a lot from ISU handbook and talk to those who are more knowledgeable like skaters or coaches ETA : Anyway, if you have any further question regarding technical stuff, we have a sub-thread here for FAQ about skating-related stuff-> here , Don't be shy to ask, there will be many who are more experienced who will gladly help out