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Aw, I think it's nice that they used Hanyu as a clear and definite goal. Uno himself clearly does that. He's been very matter-of-fact and vocal about it, too. Nothing wrong if they want to note down the times the kid actually did it, score-wise, even if one of those times is in the combined total in a fluff comp. Still a comp and an ISU-sanctioned one, at that. Hanyu took it really seriously himself (he appeared more wound up in that comp than he did in any other ones last season) and it was in that comp the guy found he could do 3 quads (2 in combo) in the second half so it was an important and memorable one for him, too, in terms of achievement. But overall, there's no denying Uno held it together and skated well enough to edge past Hanyu in that comp. They may have skated as a team, but had his combined total been more than 330.43, he'd have set an official new record. All of Medvedeva's current records were set there. Yes, scores were mostly grossly inflated and ongoing issues were ignored but that's still happening now and official records are official records. His combined score as it is counts towards his progressive scores. I think it's fair to want to put it in his wiki, regardless of whatever true sentiments that are behind it. I'm glad it's there because then it isn't swept under the carpet and people know Hanyu can be beaten when he isn't at his best. It's sad when that happens and we all sulk about it but as fans, we accept and acknowledge his losses. Because we all know that Hanyu's always been a one-step-backward-twenty-steps-forward kinda guy so when he's at his best, we know that no one sane can argue that he truly deserves his win. It's because of this I feel that his losses and the records showing them serve a greater purpose. They accentuate his greatness even more when he does skate his best. This clearly proves he doesn't get propped up when he isn't at his very best and when he is, his win is completely by his own merit because then he's just on a different level altogether, even in a field as deep as the one we're seeing now. And people will just have to accept and acknowledge that. :o) Works better than bickering back and forth, imo, even if we can't help but still do it, lol.

@Murieleirum: Thank you! ^^

Hadnt he kinda already done that? Though it'd be nice to see him doing something along those lines again as a full-grown adult. I'm not familiar with that school of dancing/music. Might look it up on YT if I'm curious enough. >_<

^yeah. lol. it's too bad. he's got the crisp moves down pat. he just also infuses them with all these other...things... that's it. nail on the head right there. 2am explanations are the best kinda explanations xD i think he does modern good too, tho. maybe something with a rock twist to it? lgc was testament to that. heck, even pw was, but lgc was a higher level. he does those...sudden eel-like twisty-turny movements (i dunno what they're called) really well...

lol. i think he can dance. you don't pull the kind of moves he does on the ice if you can't inherently do it. but when it's not part of a strict choreography (of which he's put in practice), or when he puts his own spin on to it beyond minor tweaks, he displays these habits that are very distinctive...i mean, if harnessed, it could become a unique style but it's not, so he's usually kinda wild and all over the place, like a yuzu-style pop-locking-flamenco three-way hybrid thing...think i even see a bit of unintentional dubstep moves every now and then xD he clearly doesn't know what he's doing other than simply "feeling the music" (though like @SparkleSalad said, he usually seems to hear the music half a beat or so faster than it actually gets played) and doesn't seem to care all that much, if at all. so i'm witcha on the no shame thing. in fact, there's this rather interesting blog entry i recently came across talking about this special and rare quality of his, crediting it as a large part of what contributed to his success as a star. it notes that what makes him, and others like him, special is that he strikes a good balance between not being afraid to flaunt what he has and being able to flaunt it right (cos if you're not, you'd usually only end up embarrassing yourself). it's a potent combination of fearlessness, confidence and sincerity and i can't say i'm disinclined to agree. oh, but this person uses the word "narcissist" a lot because apparently, that's what they call people who are...less inhibited...in japan. edit: it's this blog, if you feel like reading it. (it's a bit long...and the person also seems to like this other dude who's an idol)

Many may deem his decision reckless, I think I've even heard some call it dumb. Not all athletes make the smartest decisions, true, and Hanyu may have made some not-so-well informed ones himself in the past. But I don't think this was one of them. This was neither a good nor a bad one, I feel. Given the circumstances, I truly think he made the only decision he could've then. Brian probably knew it, too. It's the only way to explain how he stood by his student's (and a very high-profile one, at that) decision despite knowing full well the way tongues would inevitably wag about him. He couldn't have not, with the experience he's had as a coach. So as far as I'm concerned, it's not so much the decision that's admirable or otherwise, but the way he saw it through to the end. And Brian being with him every step of the way. Those, I personally find, absolutely awe-inspiring. Both the student and his coach. ^^

Sorry to hear about that. Please take good care of yourself. Nah. Like @Murieleirum so aptly put it, he's human, not a god. And we humans are all the sum of our experiences. With his kind of experiences, Hanyu's an even wiser man today, with a far stronger mettle than a lot his peers. So I wouldn't bemoan those experiences. I'd rejoice them instead. I wouldn't worry about that. I've noticed that for all they're usually not trained in doing housework as kids (mainly those who come from a typical family model), the Japanese adapt and adjust pretty fast to living on their own as adults. Think it's something to do with deep-seated Asian values ingrained from young. They don't necessarily have to be good at it, but they usually manage and don't do too terribly. It's quite fascinating.

You and I seem to do that a lot... Uh huh. Which is why it makes no sense to me to go beyond 100. The "p" in PCS might as well stand for "political". >.<

Ah. This was more or less the point I was trying to make in my very first post about this subject, a few pages back. So I'd be a hypocrite if I said I don't feel the same way. In terms of Chan and Fernandez, I didn't mention them in my previous long post because in terms of "hurricaneness" (sorry!), theirs are not as epic as Hanyu's. I don't actually get a 'force of nature" sense from them at all, tbqh. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing them at all. If anything, they are perfect the way they are. They're leagues above everyone else other than Hanyu when it comes to complete packaging. Hanyu's just an anomaly. Which is probably why I got into him, and subsequently fs itself. I tried to find someone else to like after he pulled me into the sport (I wasn't even at casual viewer level, my interest in the sport, and especially the men's discipline, was 0), and couldn't find anyone else. I wasn't even necessarily looking for the same thing, knowing that he is a unique creature. Just...watching everyone else simply reminds me why I never got into the sport in the first place. They're just not my cup of tea. Anyway, back to Chan and Fernandez. While complete, their level of completion, I feel, still pales in comparison to Hanyu's. Objectively speaking, their biggest jumps, when executed perfectly, are things of beauty in their own right but the style of their jumping has a heavier/sturdier feel to it that while nice, doesn't lend the jumps themselves to blend in with the performance seamlessly. Their jumps give off a longer feeling of pause at the end...or something. I'm not quite sure how to put my finger on it. The accent effect is nice, though. The way I see it, these jumps that they do, with lovely transitions, just show the viewer that they can nail the performance aspect as well as the jump aspects beautifully even with increased difficulty. I don't feel a sense of cohesiveness coming from their programs the way I feel it does with Hanyu's. I think for the programs to be cohesive, the only kind of jumping style that would work is the light and airy kind, no matter the nature and style of the performance. Because that's the only way the jumps themselves don't stand out too much from the rest of the performance. But whether people prefer Hanyu's style, which is full-on cohesiveness, or Fernandez's/Chan's, is a matter of personal preference, as I think these skaters all have different ideals. So while different kinds of complete, they're all complete still, I feel. And it's great that they're all different (Fernandez and Chan have different ways of expressing themselves in their performances) cos then there's something for everyone. ^^ I...don't quite get it? Maybe I'm missing your point but how would increasing PCS limit give more artistically-inclined (nee less technically-savvy) skaters a boost when less deserving skaters with better tech will just get the same boost? I mean, as it is, these skaters who deserve to be in the 90s threshold are held back in the low to mid-80s, who can consider themselves lucky and are supposed to feel themselves well-rewarded if they get high 80s for having average tech, while high-flying tech specialists who are very obviously sacrificing the finer details of their performances to present their tech are getting high 80s and 90s? Like your second paragraph and disgruntled emoji imply, this kind of scoring isn't likely going to change anytime soon so if the PCS ceiling is raised, it'd be exactly the same situation now, only with bigger numbers...? Yeap. Which was why I said everyone and their grandmas with impressive enough tech are all up there with him now. Or will get there next season. The fact that we're even talking about it now as a fixed thing shows how the system truly works. That is to say, not the way it's supposed to. More impressive considering the fact Hanyu at least had to old school work his way towards them over the course of more than one season while one of them is already hitting the high 80s in their first season, without the level of artistry required to justify it, and another hitting the 90s only in their 2nd season despite more senior skaters having better performance skills but earning a lot less points in the same department. I've seen lots of complaints about this issue, that all ultimately amounted to nothing* because--you guessed it--it's all subjective, anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *Or maybe it did, hence the pushing of technical programs and artistic programs as separate events >_< Yeah, I acknowledged that he had at least somewhat justified his pcs scoring better than some of his younger rivals with high pcs are doing now. Well, Uno's I get somewhat. While Hanyu has things in his artistry back then that Uno still lacks now, Uno likewise has things within his artistry now that Hanyu was lacking still back then. So even if his scores are strange in relation to scores people like Chan are only getting now, there's still the argument of his higher tech content (albeit questionably executed but the judges don't seem to mind and that's all that matters, really) and cleaner skates. And in relation to Chen's scores, by the logic you cited, his seem fair enough. But Chen's remain elusive to justification... As for the Chan vs. Hanyu argument , Sochi is a tad different, though. The guy was the heavy favorite and if they reeeaaaaallly wanted to, they could let Chan win still, even if it's only by a hair's breadth. Same way if they reaaaallly wanted to, they could put someone with higher BV who skated clean enough above a phenomenal Hanyu but with slightly lower BV in PC, though they might be a tad less inclined to do so if the lower BV included both a well-executed 4Lz and a lovely 4A... And well, if he'a under-rewarded in some aspects and over-rewarded in others, the total works out to about the same so those scores are his to deserve at the end of the day. I mean, people might want to split hairs still and if they do, it's their prerogative, is all I'm saying.

I guess it can be taken that way...? Though that wasn't really the point I was trying to get at. It's a valid conclusion, still. The way I see it, the space between the doors has always been yawning, one way or another. ;o)

+ that one post about TES and PCS being 60/40...or was that 40/60? I can't seem to find that post anymore although I clearly remember seeing it. Odd. Some say that PCS shouldn't be raised due to creating an even bigger playground for politicking to frolick about in, and some say they should be to balance out the tech advancement. And some, like @Valkyria lean towards the second opinion even while understanding the first. As for me...well, if no one's ever gotten 100 on PCS yet...or even a 99, I don't think...and most of those who score above the 90 threshold these days are there because of politics, I personally feel that 100 is good enough. I mean, I think they ceilinged it to that in the first place precisely because they acknowledge that artistry isn't quantifiable and as such what number to give is entirely up to the discretion of human judgment, so 100 is about as good as 200. Tech, on the other hand, is all about numbers, so they can't place a limit on it, but the idea behind it was those who go for tech usually end up sacrificing artistry, you can't have too much of one without sacrificing the other. That's simply logic, or the law of the universe, if you will. Which seemed true for awhile, which was why the system worked, for the most part anyway, until Hanyu hurricaned over everything (absolutely no offense meant to those affected by Harvey and Irma, I'm just using the term as a figure of speech because it seems well-suited for the subject matter--my apologies if anyone here finds it inappropriate) with his perfect tech technique and ideal physique and pioneering perfectionist mentality which allowed room for artistry to shine even while the tech is sky-high still. Heck, the guy turned his tech into art. Which goes to say that it can be achieved if you manage to somehow check all the boxes, some of which are criteria dictated by Mother Nature herself, such as genetics and a person's very nature. This creates a huge discrepancy between him and others and with him pushing the envelope and others answering him and pushing it along with him, and with a dash or two of maneuvering in the background, suddenly everyone and their grandmothers with impressive enough tech (or less impressive for some but for some reason is seen as impressive anyway) are scoring above the 90 mark or super close to it, easy-peasy*. So even if the ceiling for PCS is raised, it'd still essentially be the same, only with bigger numbers. And because ISU can't rein in their judges without jeopardizing their own interests, this push-pull argument will just go on and on and on and on without a clear agreement on which side of it has the stronger logic. ISU probably knows this, which is why they just steamrolled over everything and came out with what they did. For better or worse remains to be seen, though early consensus seems to lean heavily towards the latter. Personally, I don't see there ever being a single foolproof system for a sport like figure skating where a huge part of both its appeal and repulsiveness is brought about precisely by the subjective element in it. So it's just going to be what works at a certain time and when it stops working, gives way to revisions or something new altogether, with a lot of debate each time that happens. xD *To be fair, I seem to recall that he (Hanyu) was allowed to pass the 90 threshold in the LP back when his artistry was still too unrefined to really deserve it, too--though it was still a lot better than what Chen is putting out now, given Hanyu's tech back then was less challenging in comparison--when the judges first started to show signs of dropping Chan for Hanyu...which seemed to push him towards refining it enough to finally truly deserve it (proof that ego can be good, when applied correctly)...though a few might argue that he's sometimes a tad over-rewarded still. Subjective, like I said, even for the great Hanyu--though only to a limited extent. I guess that's the best any skater can hope for. Limiting subjectivity to a narrow extent, I mean. Speaking of working to deserve scores they're getting, I was kind of hoping Chen would do the same but perhaps not this cycle seeing there's so much at stake... Hmmm, barring some archaic and culturally ignorant parties who seem to think western culture is the only culture (or maybe they just think they have the right to since it's western people who came up with the sport in the first place), and those seem to be in the minority, judges, western and eastern alike, all seem to favor SEIMEI quite extremely, scoring and lauding it as the greatest men's LP of all time, until they had to grudgingly pass the title officially to H&L when a clean version of it finally came along (with high PCS and everything), while possibly secretly still thinking SEIMEI rocked harder. And since that door has already been kicked wide open by our neighborhood friendly freak force of nature, and since ISU already allowed singing to be used in the performance music (showing that they are open to new things if skaters choose to present it--preferably well, if they want some kind of acceptance), we may see some change in the future in this aspect as well, if only skaters are brave enough to venture into the brave new world and teach the judges that there can be more than one. The skaters themselves don't even have originate from the culture itself even (though to present it well, they should probably study it in-depth). Didn't White and Davis danced to something Indian once? And more oriental pieces seem to be coming out of the wood work too...

It's not about being optimistic or having faith, though. I'm just disinclined to see things as black and white. That never seems to be what the ISU has ever been about. Figure skating has always been shrouded in shades of gray after all. And that can both be a good and bad thing. Though for Hanyu, it's more like a gradient of every color there is under the sun. He's a wonderful splash of pantone amidst a sea of gray. And that's a very good thing. ^__^ Fans of Hanyu as well as those who simply appreciate what he does want these colors to be the new normal and they think that ISU is trying to stamp them out. I'm not 100% sure that's the case. As in, they might want to paint more grays but I don't think the colors will be completely eclipsed. They just don't get buried, colors like these. They always find a way to shine through. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's not ISU I have faith in. It's talent and drive like Hanyu's that would go on to inspire and perhaps give rise to a new kind of talent that will continue to thrive in any system in the future. I think it's established that these rules are meant to be broken and bent to suit certain needs in certain situations due to probably countless numbers of factors. There is apparently a panel that reviews judges and the way they give out scores but it doesn't seem to detract from what's actually happening, probably due to there being some transgressions ISU sees as more beneficial to them and they can't crack down on others without cracking down on those as well so they do other things instead. Rules themselves are seen as a rather...fluid...concept to the ISU so these changes don't really come as a surprise, lol. Edit: And hey, this would actually mean that whatever new record Hanyu achieves this season, should he achieve one, and whatever standing records he has, if they don't get broken, would stand forever >_<

Figure skating as a sport, unlike music, has a governing body that basically created it. So it won't progress, develop or be retained the same way. True that it'd be sad that the separation would likely enable a platform that doesn't strongly encourage programs like the ones Hanyu is delivering currently (and not just Hanyu either) but just as Hanyu incorporated the best of all his favorites (most of whom were skating under a different system when he became enamored by them) and made them his own while adopting his own philosophy, others, too, would take the best parts of him as well as others and come into their own styles, under whatever system they're competing in. Maybe Hanyu should start a school on how to jump like a boss... Lol. Maybe in order to bridge it, they have to widen it first. Or maybe, it's only a drastic measure they'll resort to if this whole lessening BVs and increasing of GOE range somehow blows up in their face. Like if even this doesn't help bridge the gap, then just pull it apart altogether and see what happens from there. Or maybe it does still try the same thing but with more incentive for less technically-inclined skaters. Since tech isn't just about jumps (don't spins count as tech as well?), maybe by tech prog they mean something like what's happening in the FS now (but shorter, tho longer than the SP) where difficult elements are encouraged, but so is artistry (it'd be the tie breaker for those on top who are able to manage the most difficult elements) and in the artistic category, where the less technically inclined actually have a chance but so do complete skaters, the program is maybe about the length of the FS portion now but with jumps limited to triples and how well you blend those as well as how well you match spins with the music is the key. I mean there are a lot of ways they can develop and take this. It doesn't have to be the dead end many here seem convinced it'd be. Or maybe I'm just talking crap. I dunno. I'm not even 100% sure of what I'm saying anymore. I'm up way past my bed time here with an early start tmrw in less than a few hours so imma go zzz now. No more controversial input from me for the time being.

I didn't say he's a god. But he is an anomaly. And while there may be others, perhaps someone even better emerging after him, they'd still be able thrive even under the new system, like I expressed confidence Hanyu would if he weren't retired by then. Heck, we may even see someone of his caliber being rewarded the multiple golds they deserve. And if they were anything like him, they'd make complete masterpieces out of both technical programs and artistic ones. I'm not saying separation is good or bad. But it'd be different and we'll be seeing different things. We may like it or we may not (though many are quite adamant that they will not) but it's still very far away with very little details hashed out. So I'm...keeping an open mind, so to speak.

It's fine to want all or nothing, your passion is indeed humbling to the likes of me but I just feel differently, since I've always wondered why SPs and FSes aren't given separate medals. Like skaters have to work their asses off just to just get that one medal as opposed to other sports like say, swimming or track or gymnastics (like if that were the case, Hanyu would've gotten two medals at Sochi), and people still have the gall to laugh at FS and calling it not a sport when everything else seems to garner multiple medals so much more simply, and are more popular to the general public to boot. I guess that's the root as to why I'm not as strongly opposed. And since the athletics, especially the more extreme ones, involved in figure skating and how well you do them seem to be quite deeply rooted in the kind of body you were born with (and I don't just mean body type) and not just how hard you train, I'm just not able to think of this as the worst move the ISU can possibly make. Hanyu is a perfect example of someone who is gifted in all the ways necessary to become the kind of skater he is, from the physical right up to the mental, and was able to develop and use them wisely to come into his fullest potential. There could be more people like him out there but excelling in different fields because not everybody happens to grow up having a skating rink built right next door to their homes and then develop a passion for it after following their older siblings to lessons followed by a bunch of very unique but unfortunate circumstances. He's proof of the one time lightning struck the ice and was bottled...and how probable is it that another one will strike again (and even if it does, be bottled)? So I wouldn't go so far as to say his footprint is being denied by this move. If anything, I think this cements it, because there will most likely not be another one like him and the sport as it is will be a lot less for it when he leaves it so I see it as them changing the whole thing massively to cover the loss. They said Kim forced the ISU to change the scoring for elements but how many skaters, in their wake, contributed directly to galvanize both the revising of scores and quite possibly the changing of yet another system? The CoP has gotten its best in Chan, Hanyu and Fernandez. Perhaps it's time to try something new to see what kind of skater will manifest from it? I imagine someone like Hanyu would still thrive in it, since he basically beat the game in its hardest mode. This would be like New Game+ mode for him, or someone like him. But until someone who rises above and beyond this new system the way Hanyu did with the CoP appears, others will still get a chance to take home something and be remembered for what they're good at, even if it isn't as the GOAT. And I think that's not such a bad thing to be happening. I get that I'm most probably alone in this train of thought, even if I'm someone who became interested in the sport purely because of what Hanyu is doing, and that's fine. I'm not trying to convince anybody because there's no right or wrong to this, I feel. Just different perspectives on the issue.

Oh. Oh yeah. Hersh did say free skate. Think I got thrown off by the mention of medal color he tagged to Hanyu's name. Yeah I did mean the tech side only, cos I said different events. And if the guy is given license to focus solely on developing his tech skills, he might have been a contender. But I'm only saying skaters like them since these guys would have all been retired by the time this happens, if it does indeed happen. Lol. Yeah, quite. I'm a fan of Hanyu's style myself, and I don't follow anyone but him, but there's no denying the beauty and the lovely vestiges of free spirit Brown presents on ice when he's on it. If I have to pick a purely artistic skater to be my favorite, it'd be him. I prefer his style over Weir's, to be perfectly honest. But hey, this would mean even skaters like Weir would have a chance at an Oly medal. ^__^

Guess at least one of us have got to have an unpopular opinion. At the risk of having your pitchforks directed at me, I'm gonna share it (cos you all seem to encourage difference of opinions in the past. I'm hoping this is still true even in impending dire times for the sport such as these, lol). Maybe they're on to something, who knows? Given the lowered BVs, perhaps those who aim to simply land these elements will no longer be motivated to try them, and given the higher GOEs, those who aim for perfection might continue doing them anyway in the hopes of getting high GOEs (since GOEs aren't something anyone who isn't absolutely confident and/or invested in pulling off their elements perfectly will bank on). And with the larger gap between the two kinds of scores, judges would perhaps be more hesitant to simply give bagfuls of candies to just about any trick or treater who comes knocking, because it'd be way too obvious if they did. It'd also be a lot more obvious if they underscore someone. Like even moreso than now. Way moreso. It's all, of course, still up in the air but hey, even the current score values are still up in the air, if you asked me. Good or bad, I think we'll all see a difference anyhow. I mean they're attempting to incorporate as much logical quantification as possible, leaving it less dependent on judges' whims (and anything left to their whims is easier to raise eyebrows if they let their whimsy guide their scoring hand too much) as educating judges, like many have suggested, may not work. Because unless they create a grace period where the scores that have been inputted by the judges get scrutinized by another panel based on detailed replays of the performance before and only announce the scores at the very end after everyone has skated, and then question judges whose score-giving waver too much from the standard of judgment they have been educated with--a highly time-consuming endeavor all in all--or unless they're getting paid and their salaries are affected by evaluation of their judging, I doubt judges will adhere to these lessons even if they were taught them. They're only human, at the end of the day. Without proper motivation, we forget things in the heat of the moment and in the case of FS, subjectivity will always be a handy excuse to use if any argument is brought up. And there are also outside factors that are probably beyond the ISU's control. So this may seem like the best course of action to take to at least try to limit that. The base values may be less compared to what they are now but when they are viewed relative to everything else once they are lowered, a new standard idea of high scores will be set, I think. So I'm not as opposed as everyone else to the idea of lowering BVs and increasing GOE range. Got nothing to say about the splitting of programs into tech-based ones and artistic-based ones since this one is still in the embryonic stage of development. If it does come into fruition, however, it does allow skaters like Aaron and Brown to medal at different events in major championships like WC and the Olympics and people like Chan, Hanyu and Fernandez can probably win all-around medals. As it is, skaters like Aaron and Brown can work their asses of their whole lives and have little hope of anything much in the way of bling to show for it...I mean they're both from the US and it seems that the NA skaters, especially, of mostly, uh, non-Asian descent, have the most trouble in blending both (they're either really good at one or the other) so @yuzuangel may be on to something when she said this: Still. It'd be nice to see skaters like Brown get some proper recognition of the big-international-event-medal variety. I don't mean the guy himself, of course, as he'd be long retired by the time this comes into effect, if it comes into effect. The shortening of the programs...well, people will adapt. They always do. I dunno if everything I'm saying sounds like a load of garbage to more experienced followers of the sport but what I guess I'm ultimately saying is, I'm going to wait and see either way. I mean I'd probably just be a casual fan by then (as I doubt Hanyu or anyone else who will rouse my interest and investment the way he does would be competing in the sport by then) but it'd be interesting to see how the changes go. Huh? According to this writer, the 2013 WC podium would be 1st: Ten 2nd: Chan 3rd: Hanyu and 4th: Fernandez. One of us is living in an alternate reality and I sure as hell hope it isn't me. LoL. All coaches seem guilty of doing this or something like this at one or several points in their career, Orser included. Alritey, I've said my piece. If I'm going to be burned at the stake for this, well, it was nice being on your good side while it lasted. ^^;;

This move always makes me think of those spinning plates Chinese acrobats like to do. >_<

He skated two clean programs in your dream. Regardless of the results, and despite the cliffhanger ending, I'd consider it the best kinda dream I'd be sad to wake up too soon from. Better yet if they were also among his best performances yet. ^v^

If no one else gonna do it... 1st pic credit: @Lunna 2nd pic taken from Osomatsu-san wikia

Lol. Yeah I like them both. I know they sound different but don't know the language enough to be able to pinpoint how so although I like them for different reasons, I can't tell you what those reasons are. My best attempt is if I were to picture the accents in my head, the Beijing accent would look like broad, confident brush strokes and Taiwanese is more like cursive writing. Isn't the Chinese commentators' accent the Beijing one? I like the sound of their Mandarin. :o) And I know people who speak the language well enough who like the Beijing accent, too. Sorry about the OT. Will stop now.

Terrific! Thanks! It does sound really classy, but I imagine the commentators would say it with more inflection, like, say, one of awe, since there's context in commentaries... ...I absolutely adore stuff like this. >_<

Really? Can't wait for there to be subs of Chinese commentaries for his performances then. I've seen a couple of them without subs and couldn't make heads or tails of it, so I didn't know when they actually say his name. Tho now that I've seen the phonetics, thanks to @kaerb, I might go rummaging around for one and keep my ears pricked for sounds that fit >_< I love the sound of Mandarin anyway, especially the Mandarin from certain parts of China (Beijing being one of them) and from Taiwan. 8D

In team sports, where rougher, more abusive supporters are more rampant, they are usually labelled as "hooligans". I dunno if it applies to this situation though, since hooligans tend to display more physically violent tendencies towards opposing supporters and even towards other supporters, hooligans and non-hooligans and alike, on the same side. To the opposing team, or even to their own team, they usually hurl more verbal abuse.

Wow...so this is how much majesty he's able to inject into it when his reserves aren't mostly taken up by jumps. Not even his kelpy raggedy mermaid costume that looked like he just came out of a fight with Godzilla and barely won is able to dampen the effect. Just...wow. In a perfect world, high PCS would be reserved especially for performances such as these. Though competitors, Hanyu himself included, can't usually find it within themselves to pull off performances of this caliber after all the stunts they've delivered since, at the end of the day, they're all only human. If only they weren't. ;_;