General Yuzuru Chat

[Yatagarasu]

same here. I was actually on the camp secretly wishing he didn't do too many shows (if any at all) bc it's the olympics season, yo!

 

Shows are good, even this season we had a comment how the lack of shows was a problem, I don't remember who by any longer. The idea is to not do too much but doing them is beneficial.

I do think he'll do DOI though I hope not. Then hopefully he parks in Toronto, away from everything :grin:

[OmNom]

Shows are good, even this season we had a comment how the lack of shows was a problem, I don't remember who by any longer. The idea is to not do too much but doing them is beneficial.

I do think he'll do DOI though I hope not. Then hopefully he parks in Toronto, away from everything :grin:

 

Well I think this has also been brought up before, but isn't the fact that he didn't do any show last season help shift his peak timing to the later half? He had some issues adjusting throughout the season but not so much with the programmes themselves, it's more bc of new jump combos, and that kind of thing can only be improved in competitions imo.

But of course the Olympics is earlier than Worlds so I do think having a few shows before competitions start wouldn't hurt to help him get used to the new routines faster and also to reduce any negative impact on his reputation with judges

[Yatagarasu]

Well I think this has also been brought up before, but isn't the fact that he didn't do any show last season help shift his peak timing to the later half? He had some issues adjusting throughout the season but not so much with the programmes themselves, it's more bc of new jump combos, and that kind of thing can only be improved in competitions imo.

 

I am not sure what all was talked about but not really, it shouldn't because peaking is achieved in a particular way and I am sure he'll make arrangements with the team in Toronto about the level of practice he needs to maintain to be at a proper place at this point in the off season, especially considering this is something that they as a team have been fiddling with the entire last season. He also has to be careful in terms of his health and I think we've seen ample proof he's learned that lesson.

 

But shows definitely have a useful place, I do believe it was Shirota but I would have to go look, who spoke how it negatively impacted him to not do any. If he ends up doing DOI ,12 overall is not a huge number at all but the problem are the dates, so personally I hope he packs up and wraps it up with FaOI.

[Floria]

Shows are good, even this season we had a comment how the lack of shows was a problem, I don't remember who by any longer. The idea is to not do too much but doing them is beneficial.

I do think he'll do DOI though I hope not. Then hopefully he parks in Toronto, away from everything :grin:

 

Well I think this has also been brought up before, but isn't the fact that he didn't do any show last season help shift his peak timing to the later half? He had some issues adjusting throughout the season but not so much with the programmes themselves, it's more bc of new jump combos, and that kind of thing can only be improved in competitions imo.

But of course the Olympics is earlier than Worlds so I do think having a few shows before competitions start wouldn't hurt to help him get used to the new routines faster and also to reduce any negative impact on his reputation with judges

 

I don't think missing shows played an important role in shifting his peak. It was the injury after of all.

IMO he could do better LGC at the beginning of the season after trying it in shows. Practice run-throughs are not enough to get used to this kind of program.

[mcq]

Since people has been talking about peaking, I'd say skipping shows may or may not affect him, we will never know, I guess we would only know by how the olympics season will go.

 

Peaking is not something exclusive for figure skating, it exists in every sport (especially more common in periodic sport) and if you google "peaking in sports" there are so many specialists, programs, experts that offer their expertise/advice in this area, tailored into your specific sports and specific/required competition period/schedule.

 

From many that I have read, peaking has to do with adjusting your training regimen and your conditioning, and recognizing when is your optimum condition/level from the trend. You go from low-moderate-high-taper-and finally reaching peak performance. The period and load for each vary between person-to-person, and there is needed "rest/recovery period" in-between. I have also read that this works like a curve, where after you reach your peak you will decline again.

 

And this is where coaches/peaking specialist is needed in adjusting your training regimen, and one of the reason why athlete can't go by just training by themselves (for example, why Yuzuru would do better if he will have someone actually watches over him because they can monitor his peaking condition)

For example of varying training regimen, copying this here from a website

For a cross country ski team or a swim team taking 10-14 days to taper, depending on the quality of training done during the season, would yield the best results. The first of the two weeks the volume should drop but not too drastically, slowly decreasing anywhere from 80% to 60%, the second week should contain even fewer repetitions with the volume dropping to a range of 60% to 40% of the normal workload. For basketball or hockey one week may be all that is needed with the volume decaying over the week, ending again around 60% to 40% of the normal volume of training.

 

If any of you remember during worlds 2017, when Brian told Yuzuru after SP during OP that "this is his rest day" and it works out for him, that is an example of applying the whole peaking method.

 

Anyway I have more thoughts about Yuzuru's peaking but I am afraid if I type everything it would be a word vomit from me. :space:

[xeyra]

About peaking time, wasn't it Brian in his book that said it's hard to coordinate peaking for Yuzu because he tends to reach that peak condition very quickly when he's motivated enough? Which is why Yuzu has been speaking of maintaining an average good condition throughout?

 

Anyway I have more thoughts about Yuzuru's peaking but I am afraid if I type everything it would be a word vomit from me. :space:

 

Please do. I'd love to read that word vomit. :bow:

[xeyra]

This is old-ish but I came across it on twitter and had to bring it here again.

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Just look at Brian go!

[ralucutzagy]

This is old-ish but I came across it on twitter and had to bring it here again.

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Just look at Brian go!

I did the same only that it was in front of my TV ! :rofl2:

[mcq]

About peaking time, wasn't it Brian in his book that said it's hard to coordinate peaking for Yuzu because he tends to reach that peak condition very quickly when he's motivated enough? Which is why Yuzu has been speaking of maintaining an average good condition throughout?

 

Anyway I have more thoughts about Yuzuru's peaking but I am afraid if I type everything it would be a word vomit from me. :space:

 

Please do. I'd love to read that word vomit. :bow:

 

LOL. Ok, Brian's words was, iirc, that Yuzuru does not follow the "normal" peaking trend/pattern, that Yuzu can reach optimum peaking condition just within 2 weeks (correct me if I am wrong please). So imo, he has not find the right training regimen/load for Yuzuru OR as we all know that Yuzuru is not always in his watchful eyes, who knew, when he was training by himself, he may not follow the training regimen/load strictly thus overtraining hence peaking faster and in a shorter period amount of time. I suspect it is a bit of both, because as you can see from his practice session (Boston for example), Yuzuru also has the tendency to overtrain and jump too much, thus messing with his tapering period/peaking period. What you want is to peak at the competition, not the practice, and there is a window where you can be at your peak, vary from person to person, maybe could reach 1 week for some, could be as low as 1-2 day.

 

Usually you go from 40% to 60-80% to 100% training load in a certain period of time then you go into a taper period before competition where you reduce training load to half or less so that you can be in optimum/peak condition at the day of the competition. In athletic sports like running etc, your optimal/peaking condition/pattern/level can be measured by your time etc, I am not sure how it works for FS. Maybe Brian goes by jumping success rate percentage, or speed or etc, don't know. But he should be able to recognize when is his student in their best shape. I am not sure either how he arrange the period of this "peaking", 1 month? 2 weeks? Because for some sport the window could be something like 3-month (where there is 2-3 competition in that period for example, aiming to actually peak at the important one. It really vary from person-to-person and in different sports.

[GreatLakesGal]

My concern about Yuzu doing shows is that he will forget himself and do something reckless. At least at TCC he's surrounded by coaches who I believe have been instructed to yell at him if he gets carried away with the jumping.

[GoldMedalist]

Lol almost 10 posts on whose hand is on Yuzu's shoulder. Brightening screens, zooming in and googling chiddy's hand included. :space:

 

 

:rofl2: :xD:

[Yatagarasu]

About peaking time, wasn't it Brian in his book that said it's hard to coordinate peaking for Yuzu because he tends to reach that peak condition very quickly when he's motivated enough? Which is why Yuzu has been speaking of maintaining an average good condition throughout?

 

Yup but they do have some experience now so they should be able to adjust. It's a pretty complex science (I have friends who coach) and it literally varies from sex, to age, to particular individual in a particular sport. One thing to remember is that you can peak more than once, with one major peak planned (Olympics for him in the coming season) and that it's built on the plateau of athletic shape that can be maintained for several months where you go through the mini-cycles mcq mentioned.

[Arwen]

My concern about Yuzu doing shows is that he will forget himself and do something reckless. At least at TCC he's surrounded by coaches who I believe have been instructed to yell at him if he gets carried away with the jumping.

I don't think he would forget himself to such extent. He's well aware that there are Olympics ahead and he need to stay healthy.

[GoldMedalist]

I'm listening to the latest PJ Kwong podcast with Takeshi Honda... God he speaks english so well ! And Dai speaks well english too !

Why can't Yuzu speak as well as them ? :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

Why should he? Why should he be like someone else? :eh:

[Yatagarasu]

My concern about Yuzu doing shows is that he will forget himself and do something reckless. At least at TCC he's surrounded by coaches who I believe have been instructed to yell at him if he gets carried away with the jumping.

 

Well he has grown up a lot and at some point, he's going to have to be able to restrain himself and take care of his own health, accepting this responsibility. I think after everything that has happened, and he's not a kid any longer, he is very aware of the importance of it. Having a season behind him where he didn't have any major injury has shown him just how good it is to walk out with a clean bill of health (mentally and physically), and I think he even mentioned this.

 

Yes, I am sure everyone can get carried away and injuries sometimes happen (I mean look at Adam) but on the other hand, he's an adult now with plenty of experience, so he should be able to adjust and things like no quads at WTT Gala etc make me think that he has reached this maturity level.