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Been fiddling around with some database stuff lately, and lool look at this list of how Russian judges have scored the top 10 ladies by world standing: point bias = average of points the judge scored the specific skater above/below the panel average - average of points the judge scored all skaters above/below the panel average (to account for overall judge leniency) [actually I didn't make this correction this time, whoops I'm still thinking about how to math it out in the most logical way to account for things like judge leniency, so this is provisional]. note that this is per program, so double that if you want to get an estimate of the point difference per competition in simple terms, it's how many points extra the skater got compared to the judge's baseline so basically, if we summarize by combination of russian judge+skater Russian Not Russian Positive (bonus) 15 2 Negative (penalty) 0 20 this includes all the GPs, euros, 4cc, and worlds since the 2018-2019 season. it also includes 2019 ACI but I can re-run it without that

the division between TES and PCS isn't a tech/artistic division though, it's a division between scores for individual elements versus the program as a whole. skating skills isn't an individual element but something exhibited (or not exhibited lol) throughout a program

congratulations yuzuru hanyu on writing one of the most anticipated undergrad theses in recent memory *thinks about own undergrad thesis gathering dust in some dark corner of my alma mater's library* eh it's probably better that way

yeah I'd be interested in reading it too *having flashbacks to arguments with people denying excessive pre-rotation is a thing* it's a sport. someone who is rotating 3.5 revolutions in the air is not doing the same thing as someone who is rotating 4 so shouldn't get the same credit ARGH

given who Vanessa's former partner was, if she wants to go to the Olympics at all it's not as though she has much of a choice

lol well drilling Lutz entries did not happen today as planned but that was because my coach decided to teach me the salchow today so I practiced that instead 😅 guess we're just learning one jump per lesson now. so now I can do a garbage half Lutz(!) and a garbage 1S loool. but finally, a jump with a listed BV!

I learned how to do a half lutz in my last lesson and definitely took a few falls in my efforts to ensure I wasn't doing a half-flutz lol. I think I managed to succeed on not flutzing but it definitely still feels unnatural. I think I'll try drilling it a lot next time I get the chance. I mean, if Yuzu can throw himself at the ice for 45 minutes trying to land 4A, I can stumble around a bit as a try to get a correct lutz takeoff. so inspirational

admittedly I find it funny how, as uninhibited a performer as he is in pretty much every other respect, this is something he seems a bit shy about. sorry for laughing, Yuzu, but it's cute I mean I would have the exact same inhibitions and then some

pretty sure many fanyus have an entire arsenal of pictures which would disprove this

When I rescored the LMEY performance for fun, I deducted 0.25 PE for failure to properly shake ass. You are not the only one who noticed this flaw in the program. Yuzu is fully capable of deliberately making girls (or boys, or anyone really) go crazy though. He blew a kiss toward the part of the stands I was sitting in at the 2020 4CC gala, and not in a particularly innocent way either. (True fact: I'm actually a ghost because I died then.) We just need to encourage him to expand his repertoire of moves.

I agree that if toxicity on twitter is affecting your mental well-being, you should cut out twitter. The relevant stuff winds up being posted here anyway. I also agree that it would be better if people ignored the haters and the drama-makers in general--engaging with them just lets their awfulness reach more people, and many of them thrive on attention. It's never worth it. At the end of the day, none of their petty views will change the fact that Yuzu is 2x Olympic champion, nor will they prevent him from landing 4A. Having done my share of time in toxic internet environments, I think that it's helpful to come to terms with the fact that there are a lot of terrible people in the world, and a lot of people with ridiculous opinions who can't be reasoned with. Inside and outside of figure skating. They are not worth your time and energy, and just because they believe something doesn't make it any more true. Their ridiculousness or terribleness is their problem, not yours. It's not just Yuzu though. In fact, out of everyone who has to put up with a horrendously overscored rival, he's probably got it the best, because he's already had an illustrious career and won everything there is to win. But for someone like Rika, whose career is still pretty young, losing titles to terrible scoring often means losing real opportunities (she already lost a worlds medal she should have gotten in 2019). So I do think people should keep being loud about scoring. Plus, bad scoring is just bad for the sport.

Nearly all of Japan's currently internationally competitive senior skaters are billed for SOI Yokohama. The only glaring omission is Satoko. It seems unlikely that so many of them independently said yes without some encouragement behind the scenes. But who knows what's actually going on.

Based on the website, I don't think 4/8 is part of the schedule. From what I can tell using google translate, I think the original dates were 4/8-4/11 and then it got moved. I guess they never did cancel SOI Yokohama last year...wasn't that the only one they didn't officially cancel, because it was the one that Yuzu had signed on to? Faintly remembered something weird and annoying happening surrounding it.

still the best figure skate ever...with maybe the exception of JNats H&E

JNats was several months ago, yet I find myself sucked into the mystery of why Yuzu's SP spin was invalidated once again. I had a good theory, until I found language in one of the rule books that strongly suggested it wasn't true. But that language also means that there's no reason it should have been invalidated. My brain hurts. Maybe the most logical conclusion is that the JNats tech panel was incompetent and flat out wrong to have invalidated it. One thing that is clearly true: the ISU is garbage at writing clear rules. Oh dear lord why are you encouraging him. ...I bet if he manages to land one in practice he's happy with before the competition, he will actually try it.

Ok, well, the GOE/PCS book says: which really seems to imply that what I wrote is wrong, because it specifies the there must be "2 revolutions in basic position on each foot" for spins in one position with a change of foot, but only 3 revolutions (doesn't say basic) for "all spins with change of foot" ...but then I'm at a complete loss for why Yuzu's spin was invalidated. There is no way he didn't do 2 revolutions of sit sideways even on the strictest standards possible, and he definitely did more than 3 revolutions in total. The theory that the tech panel messed up and lied to cover their butts is starting to look really plausible.

no, the GOE/PCS handbook. don't worry, I found it. it was just hidden in the depths of the ISU's website, mysteriously missing from the rest of the collection of rules documents

...does anyone have the judging handbook for singles and pairs skating? it seems to have disappeared from the ISU's website edit: found it. it hasn't disappeared, it's only become hard to find

That doesn't make sense though, because he definitely did hit 2 revolutions on his sit sideways, and also his sit behind unless you're being really, really strict. I was pretty strict about what counted as being in position, and I counted at least 2 revolutions for each of those. He spun for more than 3 revolutions, but the question is how it's counted. Because what he didn't do was stay in sit position for 3 revolutions after the change of foot. My reading of what happened after the change of foot was 1.5ish revolutions to get into sit sideways position 2.5ish revolutions in sit sideways (2 if we're being really, really strict) rise out of sit position to reposition free leg, which took 1.5ish revolutions go back down into sit behind which was held for 2 revolutions (1.5 if we're being really strict--but this would have only resulted in losing a level, not invalidation) My theory is that rising out of sit position early to reposition his free leg broke the 3 after change of foot rule because it has to be 3 revolutions in position. Alternatively, there is another rule that the spin has be held for 6-revolutions (yes, it's very confusingly written because it literally says 3 in one place and 6 in another). But Yuzu did hold his spin for 6+ revolutions in total--but not in position. So it's possible his spin broke that one as well. (Edit: apparently this 6 revolution rule may only affect GOE. The technical manual doesn't give that impression, but the GOE/PCS manual says that 1 to 3 marks should be deducted for "less than the required number of revolutions") The problem is, the rules don't explicitly say that the revolutions have to be in position. But if any kind of position counts, then on what basis could Yuzu's spin be invalidated? Plus, since it's supposed to be a single position spin, it would make sense that revolutions out of position don't count. So the only way I can make sense of this is: You have to stay in position for 3 revolutions immediately before and after the change of foot You may do something that breaks the position after that (repositioning free leg, jump on one leg level element, whatever) Possibility A: You have to do 6 revolutions in total in position before and after the change in foot, but these may be spread across different variations, which you can break position to transition to. Possibility B: This rule is more lenient and all it demands is 6 revolutions regardless of whether you're in position. apparently this is just GOE? So Yuzu's JNats spin fails on the first bullet, and possibly the 3rd bullet depending on how you interpret the 6 revolution requirement. Under this interpretation of the rules, Nathan's SP sit spin is definitely not valid, because he does not manage to get into sit position after his change of foot. Alternatively, this is all wrong, and the JNats tech panel did invalidate Yuzu's spin because they mistook the sit-twizzle for the spin and just made something up to cover it up afterwards.

Yeah, like if you're not going to count the part where Yuzu rises out of his sit sideways position and switches to sit behind as part of his rotations for the purpose of fulfilling the SP spin requirements, fine, because he technically is not in sit position, but then no one should be counting Nathan's not-parallel-to-the-ice "sits" as such.

He definitely held it for two revolutions. He didn't hit 3, however, which is what the technical manual says is required. I don't necessarily think invalidating the sit spin is wrong on its own--except no one else's sit spins are held to this standard at the senior elite level. Honestly, they probably should be. OT: omg people on reddit are so annoying. asked some clarification questions about the SP spin rules, got something that a) didn't answer my question b) assumed I knew nothing about spins, which is just ridiculous if you read what I wrote. I can identify an illusion entry and sit spin variations, thanks, that was not my question. In reality, the person doesn't sound like they know anything more than I do about the questions I had

OT: I am now 100% convinced Nathan's SP sit spin should have been invalidated. It literally does not fulfill the requirements on single position change foot spins laid out in the technical manual, because he does not hit a sit position after the change of foot, even if you squint. The standards on sit spins need to be stricter in general, and not just for people named Yuzuru Hanyu wonder how Yuzu feels about going to WTT

did we ever figure out why Yuzu's spin was invalidated at JNats? if it's because he didn't hold a sit position for 6 revolutions after the change of foot (he did get 6+ revolutions in total, but if you don't count the revolutions where he rose to reposition his free leg then it comes out to less than 6), then I think Nathan's SP sit spin should have been invalidated at worlds. he very visibly didn't get low enough on his first sit variation after the change of foot for it to count as a sit spin, and then when he switched variation he only held it for like 2-3 revolutions

honestly, the best policy is to just ignore the idiots. if you get angry about every dumb thing someone says about Yuzu or fs in general, you're just going to be angry all the time. anyway, did we ever figure out why Yuzu got StSq3 in his SP? I think the problem was with his left foot cluster but I'm unsure and want to check my work lol. also, turns out the rules for StSq aren't as hideously complex as I thought they were (spin rules are worse actually ), but you really have to pay very close attention to determine whether the skater filled all the requirements

eh, I checked a few of his flips and the edges look fine to me. they're clearly inside. flips are supposed to be done on a shallow inside edge. I think it's presumptuous to say that he's never going to get called on his lutz edge JSF people really need to start speaking up about the blatant double standard when it comes to scoring. It's not just Yuzu who suffers either--Rika is far less competitive against the Russians than she should be because of how inflated the Russians' scores are.