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    [2017] GP NHK Trophy (10-12.11) - Practice, Fluff & all the In-betweens + Gala

    in 2017-2018 Grand Prix Series

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    7 hours ago, yuzuangel said:

    ugh "injure his right ankle" sounds so freakin serious

    but "did not appear to be in any great pain" oh my god i hope his is true thank you thank you (still :fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:)

    I might feel a lot from the inside but people only see a poker face on the outside... I wouldn't take the comment "he did not seem to hurt" much. The point is... we will never know, especially with him. So hopefully this is just a minor pain and that he would be ok soon. 

    [2017] GP NHK Trophy (10-12.11) - Practice, Fluff & all the In-betweens + Gala

    in 2017-2018 Grand Prix Series

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    5 minutes ago, hamaguri said:

    The article says,
     

    "After confirming the rink condition, he got 4T-3T with tano, but 2 times fall with 4loop and some pop with 4 sal.

    About 4lz, he fell with dull sound, and he skated around slowly caring his right leg, and finished.

     

    And then he appeared again. "

    Is there anything new in this article? https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2017/11/09/0010717957.shtml

     

    Thank you very much.

    General Skating Chat

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    23 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

     

    Technically speaking, nobody really knows what the longterm impact of quads is going to be, not just when it comes to kids like Gogolev but when it comes to adults like Shoma/Nathan and even Yuzuru. 

     

    Patrick spoke of this a while back, during last season, and it is a genuine concern. I think with adults, as I said back then, the ISU cannot have all the responsibility. Some of that must fall on the coaches and athletes themselves, so basically know your athlete/your own body and adjust so that their health is a priority; don't overtrain and listen to the limits of your system. Of course, correct, clean technique is always going to result in less chances for injury. When we talk about all those wonky landings, they're definitely going to have an impact on ankles/knees/hips even more so than a regular quad does, and it'll up the dangers.

    Of course, the kids bit is separate and well, everything Meoima said but apart from that, yes, I am sure it is going to have some effect. I don't really think it's possible to get away from that but we see this in other sports too or things like dance. Overall we're going to have to wait for quite a few years to see what happens.

    Yeah, all kind of jumps, especially quads... will have some effects for the long run when the skaters retire. Even Kwan only did triples and she still had pain now and then years after her competitive days. 

    Skating and especially jumping has a lot to do with controlling your bodies. If your body keeps changing it’s a challenge to get used to it. So hopefully with better technology and approach, coaches and specialists will help skaters to improve their chance after puberty.

    General Skating Chat

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    4 minutes ago, getsurenka said:

    Slightly off topic here, but just out of curiosity, at what age or what point of their skating career do skaters normally transition into new coaching team? Like for example, Yuzuru had switched to TCC two seasons after he made his senior debut (age 16), while Cha Jun-Hwan started training at TCC before he made his junior debut (age 14). Stephen Gogolev seems to have been with TCC for quite a while now? and he is only 12 currently. So is there a trend or similarities among the timeline of skaters (esp the ones who trained foreignly) when they made the decision to switch from their original coaching team to a foreign one? I am really curious in how influence of coaching can impact the career of a skater

     

    Also, do you think it make a significant impact on their development as competitive skaters, such as do they have better results when they made the switch earlier in their career than later in their career? On a personal note, do you think Yuzuru would benefitted from an earlier switch, like would he have "better" techniques as a skater now if he did that? I have seen in multiple places Yuzuru really benefitted from the switch to TCC and had really improved as a skater, which make his successful Olympic season possible. 

     

    As a new fan, I am still learning the ropes in the figure skating world, and there are quite a lot I have yet to learn. I apologize in advance if these questions are too troublesome or not suitable for this thread. I will be really grateful if someone here who is more knowledgeable to explain the whole process a little more if it is of no convenience. 

    No one knows really... what is the best for each skater? Skaters are human and each human js different. They have different bodies, mentality and all.

    i would say it’s best to change coach when you have reached everything you can reach at the current place. But it’s my opinion and I am not the skater themselves.

    With musicians, it’s the same I think. Hilary Hahn changed to her second professor when her first teacher thought she taught her everything she could already. 

    General Skating Chat

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    The thing with jumps in skating is their body changing.... how to cope up with new body and all as these skaters are all growing up.

    I have to say, Yuzuru was kinda lucky that his body didn’t go into some drastic change in a short time like some skaters had to experience (look at Nam). 

    So yes... it’s amazing they’re doing the quads now (look at 2 wonder babies at Eteri’s group who are jumping quads), but hopefully their coaches will help them keep it healthy with clean technique when they’re older, taller and bigger. 

    General Yuzuru Chat

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    6 hours ago, kiches said:

    Kolyada looked like he had airtime to spare but I think in general his rotational speed is slower so I doubt he could really fit in another rotation. Height was awesome though. 

    Exactly this. Most Russian men I have mentioned are not tiny, and the old style of jumping is that they jump very high with less speed in the rotation. 

    General Skating Chat

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    31 minutes ago, fireovertheice said:

    I would like to know from you all if you have looked at Kolyada FS at CoR and at CoC, and if following you there was so much difference in SS and in transitions in the two comps. I know that Mikhail PCS at CoR have been inflated, but to me there was not so much difference in those compartments in the two performances, while I read the opinion of others saying otherwise (i.e. that today his transitions were lesser / simpler).

     

    I noted also that today  at CoC the scores for Kolyada FS in SS, IN and TR were the same or similar to those of Nathan Chen FS at CoR. What do you think about it ? And more what do you think if we compare those two sets of scores with those of Shoma at Skate Canada (also taking in account the fact that is difficult to compare scores of different comps an so forth...)?

     

    Nathan Chen FS at CoR

    - protocols/jump content: 4 quads, single or in combination (2 of them 4Lz) + two 3A (both with - GOEs) single and in combination + one 2T(pop) +  one 3Lz

    - protocols/StSq3

    - by my count: skating on one foot 37 secs, number of revolutions on one foot 25, crossovers 44

    - protocols/scores: SS= 8.96, TR=8.57, CO=8.89

     

    Mikhail Kolyada FS at CoC

    - protocols/jump content: only 2 quads (with the fall on the 4Lz) + one 2S (pop) + two 3A (one popped) single and in combination + two 3Lz combination + one 3Lo

    - protocols/StSq4

    - by my count: skating on one foot 41 secs, number of revolutions on one foot 28, crossovers 30

    - protocols/scores: SS= 8.89, TR=8.57, CO=8.82

     

    Shoma Uno FS at SC

    - protocols/jump content: 4 quads, single or in combination (1 of them 4Lo,  1 of them with -GOE such as the 4T, also <) + two 3A single and in combination + one 3S in combination +  one 3Lo (with -GOE)

    - protocols/StSq3

    - by my count: skating on one foot 40 secs, number of revolutions on one foot 24, crossovers 54

    - protocols/scores: SS= 9.29, TR=8.89, CO=9.11

     

    I know that for scoring SS and TR there are a lot of other factors / elements to be considered besides one-foot skating, difficult turns and steps and multi directional skating (see here: http://www.usfsa.org/content/ISU program-component-chart_sandp-and-id_08-16.pdf ), but I do think that in most of these other aspects those three skaters are not so far from each other (see speed and acceleration, flow and glide, continuity of movements etc...).

    What do you think about it (without bashing anyone...)?

     

    Thanks in advance for your answers and your opinion :pbow:

     

    P.S. Also at CoR were PCS of Kolyada were inflated he received 9.07 in SS and 8.75 in TR, 9.00 in CO, so always lesser than Shoma at SC.

     

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    Thank you so much for all this hard work. If only we could show the judges all of this...

    General Yuzuru Chat

    in Yuzuru Hanyu

    Posted

    1 hour ago, xeyra said:

     

    The thing about Mikhail's 4Lz is that when everything aligns he has so much height he can check out with a lot of control to land it cleanly (when he lands it). If you notice, he seems to open rotation before he lands (so his knee bend is a bit less than Yuzu's who checks out a bit lower). He gives the feeling he could tack another rotation there. Almost. :laughing:

    That is the old style of Russian's way of jumping (especially the men), go back to Plushenko, Kulik, Gachinski, Menshov, Voronov... they jumped very high and technically the way they unwrap their free legs are very much alike. 

    General Yuzuru Chat

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    1 hour ago, Mastyaeva said:

    I'm zero in jumping technique, but theirs luzs look so different. It would be such a pleasure to watch it one by one. 

    Kolyada's lutz (and jumps in general) are very high but not as long - > many Russian skaters are like this, they jump high but the ice coverage might not be as big as some other skaters. Kolyada;s jumps are still pretty big IMO.

     

    I would say Zhenia Medvedevea jumps are long, even though not high. At CoR, I notice that her 3-3 have quite good ice coverage. So it depends on the skaters as well.

     

    Yuzuru's jumps are both high and long. So his jumps might not be the highest but they will be longer than the higher jumps, his jumps cover more ice than most men.

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