General Yuzuru Chat

[AsteroidB-612]

So most of you are saying that if Yuzu is clean for both SP and FS then there is no way he will loose? But what about what happened to Yuna Kim in Sochi? I didnt study her and Adelina's protocol... But to my understanding Yuna did well for both program, was the queen coming into the event yet still lost against politicking? And even though people protested the result, they never gave her the gold medal instead... So isn't it still possible that Yuzu will face the same situation? And we would be mad like we did for the underscoring for worlds but while Helsinki at least gave Yuzu a gold for all the unfair judging, who knows if the end result will still be okay for Olympic?...it was already a close call in Helsinki...

 

Speaking of Helsinki, while we analyzed Nathan VS Yuzu to quite some extend now, I wonder if we can go in depth and analyze Shoma VS Yuzu? Because like some of you said, I actually think shoma might be a bigger threat due to the GOE and PCS he is getting... He is also upping his BV next season, and it looks like from the progression of this season, he stabilizes his jumps quickly (nevermind that they are slightly underrotated or wrong edge because the judges are obviously ignoring them and showering him with + GOE) . He also  backloads jumps, has Yuzu as a mental buffer(he also seems very calm in real match even if he doesn't land his jumps in op), and according to Yuzu and stats, is the most consistent of the top 6 last season...so I am interested in seeing how their possible plans might compare this season...

[bubbletea0712]

Talking about Shoma's jump make me feel bad again. I really can't get over and ignore it and it make me very worried for Yuzu and everyone else......

God I just pass the exam in the university last febuary and the university will open next october. I don't want to live in my first year with anxiousty ;;(((((((

[axelsandwich]

4 hours ago, MrPudding said:

 

 

I thought I'd share it here rather than the video thread because of all the serious talk thats has been going on here 

Above all, the quality that will ensure this boy will continue to evolve: he seems genuinely galvanised and invigorated by strong competition and the threat of young ones taking away his records/medals. Trust even Yuzu's competitiveness to be Extra AF.

 

 

[Xen]

Considering how little rest the guys get between their short and free programs competitions and with practice time mixed in, the only guys I think who have enough stamina  and mental processing strength to get through their quad-filled longs are Yuzuru, Boyang and maaaybe Chan. The rest, especially when the total LP quad count goes over 5, I think will flop quite a bit like at Helsinki. I sincerely think the reasonable upper limit in LPis 5 quads for men right now (even if you are the quad-king-to-rule-them-all Nathan), and anything beyond that is just asking for splat fest. 

 

As for Shoma, I really do suspect he will get called on stuff this season...if nothing else just as a warm up for 2022...mind you I like him too, but he's probably first casualty if tech call politicking starts.

[MrPudding]

1 minute ago, kaerb said:

Above all, the quality that will ensure this boy will continue to evolve: he seems genuinely galvanised and invigorated by strong competition and the threat of young ones taking away his records/medals. Trust even Yuzu's competitiveness to be Extra AF.

 

 

 

Imagine what he'd do if someone else break his record... i'm getting the the feeling that we'd see another performance of his life or he'll just throw more stuff in his layout and show the world who's the champ 

[xeyra]

33 minutes ago, AsteroidB-612 said:

So most of you are saying that if Yuzu is clean for both SP and FS then there is no way he will loose? 

 

As you could see in the overrall skating thread, yes. Possibly. But he can't have a huge BV difference from Shoma more so than Nathan, actually.

[axelsandwich]

15 minutes ago, MrPudding said:

 

Imagine what he'd do if someone else break his record... i'm getting the the feeling that we'd see another performance of his life or he'll just throw more stuff in his layout and show the world who's the champ 

At this point, the most helpful thing someone could do might actually be to break one of his records right before the Olympics. But that's like. The nuclear gamble option 

 

I definitely think Shoma is a bigger threat to Yuzu at the moment - he is the most 'well-rounded' between TES and PCS and he doesn't tend to fall even if there are technical errors in his jumps/landings and so he comes across as much more consistent, which is an advantageous image to have. He almost has the entire quad arsenal in his bag too. Nathan I'd say is always going to be a threat but the lack of rest between SP and FS may play a part on stamina and it's a risky layout to try and maintain the whole season - if he can stabilise it though, he'll have a lot of sway going in. (also Boyang! Just dark-horsing in the background, landing perfect 4Lzs.......) Point being...the leader keeps changing and so many factors are at play, it's dangerous to underestimate anyone. 

[xeyra]

3 minutes ago, meoima said:

Which is why I am sure Yuzuru will have at least 5 quad LP. And it's mostly vs Nathan and Boyang, Because I do believe once USFA want, USFA will call out the cheats.

 

Only if he flutzes on his 4Lz. Doubtful you'll see tech panels start marking down jumps Shoma has done for an entire season before with no issues just because USA. Better consider Shoma for the threat he is because I don't doubt he can win if Yuzu so much as falters and he doesn't.

[CupidsBow]

11 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

Only if he flutzes on his 4Lz. Doubtful you'll see tech panels start marking down jumps Shoma has done for an entire season before with no issues just because USA. Better consider Shoma for the threat he is because I don't doubt he can win if Yuzu so much as falters and he doesn't.

 

idk Shoma recently had an ankle injury (possibly because of the way he positioned the blade on his boot - he put the blade off-centre so it was esier to get the edge for the loop or smth) if he has to preposition his blades back to the centre he's going to have to change some of his techniques for some of his quads - the loop, but I imagine others too, or he might have some issues. I'm personally hoping he'll be adjusting his technique for the better but we're gonna have to see how it goes when the season starts.

 

I do think judges might start getting a little pickier with the quad squad at least in part because if you have hanyu and fernandez with 4lo, patrick bringing in a 4f, hanyu maybe bringing in a 4lz ... you've got more skaters doing those jumps, more examples to compare against, less novelty to throw goe at. if Shoma throws out an iffy 4f and gets +2 and Patrick throws out a beauty and also gets +2 it's gonna be a bit weird, right? As the fancier quads get more widely used the judging for them will settle somewhat.

 

Anyway, I think there being a good 6~8 highly competitive men at the top of the field fighting it out for the podium, all with pretty good chances of getting a medal is a good thing for the sport and for Yuzuru's motivation. At the end of the day he knows the field, his own skating, his body/mind and what he can do/needs to do to win way better than me. 

[AsteroidB-612]

@meoima thanks for explaining the tech and trend of the ladies VS the men because I only watch the ladies casually and have only some idea of what happened. Btw,  I see some Japanese ladies trying to up their BV by bringing the 3A, does this make them competitive enough for Medvedeva ? Or can we already assign the gold to her because she has the highest BV on paper and is consistent lol?

 

@xeyra has made some really good table and speculation analysis over at the skating layout thread and those of you who are as curious as me about how next season MIGHT pan out should check it out! Thanks again for the quick work!  But looking at that it confirms my fear that no 4Lz will be very risky for Yuzu with only 1.3 pt difference overall (BV+GOE+PCS) with  Shoma...and I think Shoma 's PCS will rise this coming season too.. also, Nathan is not far behind, and his PCS will probably rise too with US fed at work...

 

Ughhhh... All these talk and speculation is making me burn inside...Yuzu~~give us your FS and layout already pretty please~~ 

[Emzie]

30 minutes ago, anyanee said:

Talking about Shoma's jump make me feel bad again. I really can't get over and ignore it and it make me very worried for Yuzu and everyone else......

God I just pass the exam in the university last febuary and the university will open next october. I don't want to live in my first year with anxiousty ;;(((((((

Don't worry, Yuzu knows what he's doing and the rest of skaters too 

It always amazes me, how do you pass the exam in february and wait so long for uni course to open? It doesn't work like that in my country...

[xeyra]

10 minutes ago, meoima said:

I just know that that flutz can't be fixed in just several months, especially 4Lz when you have Nathan and Boyang and potentially Yuzuru and Kolyada and some other guys who can show you a clear outside edge even in their sleep.

A cheat jumps from age 10 can't be fixed in a summer just that I know. 

And there are more way with the calls than just that. I am sure if Nathan can somehow be quite consistent, the rest are toast and only a clean Yuzuru can go against that. 

 

I agree, I do think likely Shoma will have edge issues with the 4Lz, even as he is trying to work on them. It's a hard thing to fix properly in a short time.

 

But you also seem to imply judges will suddenly start marking other things they haven't before just because Nathan is a contender. That seems unlikely since they haven't considered them as issues before. I think if that happens, it'll show more in GOE than tech calls. Maybe, if even. His 4Lz will likely not get the same GOE of his 4F or Nathan's or Boyang's 4Lz. But if he lands it well just when he needs to... which is Shoma's MO from last season...

 

[axelsandwich]

17 minutes ago, Emzie said:

Don't worry, Yuzu knows what he's doing and the rest of skaters too 

It always amazes me, how do you pass the exam in february and wait so long for uni course to open? It doesn't work like that in my country...

I'm assuming @anyanee was in her last year of high school and is starting university in the coming start of semester? (apologies if I'm mistaken) 

 

Also, don't worry @anyanee, it'll be okay - try to enjoy the process because I'm sure Yuzu is too and all the other skaters ( : 

[bubbletea0712]

10 minutes ago, Emzie said:

Don't worry, Yuzu knows what he's doing and the rest of skaters too 

It always amazes me, how do you pass the exam in february and wait so long for uni course to open? It doesn't work like that in my country...

High school and university in Thailand don't open at the same period. High school will open in May and University will open around late september or august. So yes I have to wait for so so longggg. Sometime student got the university even before they graduate like me. (The school closed in march) That's how the system in my country work^^

SORRY FOR VERY OFF TOPIC;;7;;

[xeyra]

1 minute ago, meoima said:

You are still assuming a 3.25 flutz will get GOE compared to a true 4Lz by Nathan or Boyang. Then I have nothing to say. The US technical specialist already gave Uno the E for Flutz at WTT. They have eyes, if they want, then it's called. 

 

I haven't seen his 4Lz so I can't say how it is but as I said, if it's a Flutz it's a Flutz with the appropriate negative GOE. However I never noticed many differences in GOE in their 4F, the other jump Nathan and Shoma share, no matter how much one cries about his 3.25F. Just saying.