Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This shade is so real it deserves a thread of its own tbh. Needs to be immortalised Link to comment
shanshani Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 2:15 PM, Salior said: This shade is so real it deserves a thread of its own tbh. Needs to be immortalised Expand hard agree. plus this is relevant to skating in general although he probably delivers the most polite shade ever now I'm going to congratulate myself that I use clean toe-tap technique on my half-flip and half-lutz. although how would you even excessively PR a half-flip/lutz, the rotation would be done before you even get off the ice Link to comment
Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Text reproduced on Reddit here Link to comment
yuzuangel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Starting this thread for discussing this interview Link to comment
Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On October 28th 2019, Yuzu gave an interview to Sponichi after winning Skate Canada. (Original article here, please click and give them views!) A brief summary is as below (my edits in bracket) On 10/28/2019 at 1:46 PM, shanshani said: So somethings that stand out now that we have a better translation: 1. Yuzu is worried about the trend towards increased technical difficulty (and its) impact on everyone's health. 2. He tried to prove that you can do well with a slightly lower difficulty layout if you include performance, and so reduce the trend towards maximum difficulty. 3. He does feel reassured by the SCI scores 4. He's, well, not entirely firm, but certainly leaning towards the opinion that excessively PR lutzes aren't really lutzes, more than it initially seemed 5. Same doubts about judges evaluating steps in and out of jumps as before Expand Here's a translation of the article in English Reveal hidden contents Reproduced on text in Reddit here Reveal hidden contents Translation in Chinese Reveal hidden contents Yuzu had mentioned the idea of a "true Lutz". To elaborate, a skater has explained the mechanism in the thread below. Here's part 2 (please click to give them views!) and the translation below Reveal hidden contents Link to comment
yuzuangel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 oops didn't see you also made a thread, will merge them eta: that's a nice compilation though, maybe @WinForPooh can copy and paste them to her OP (aka the earliest post in the thread) for reference? Link to comment
Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 2:48 PM, yuzuangel said: oops didn't see you also made a thread, will merge them Expand thanks! didn't see yours too rip wow didn't know we can merge and split threads Link to comment
Lily* Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 1:12 PM, Bilge said: Here is another translation (by multiple people's collaboration). I think its clearer Expand I think this translation is pretty accurate about the "things only you can do" part. Just one thing I interpreted differently is: なかなか4回転ルッツに対してのルッツのジャンプじゃないのかもしれないですけど。 In regard to the 4Lz, it may no longer be a lutz jump. Now this is really tough to interpret and only he knows what he really meant, but from the context I would translate this way: It might not be the (suitable) way of jumping a lutz when going for a 4lz. About 下で回る(to rotate down there), I’m pretty sure he meant pre-rotation, but he avoided that word. Edit: Sorry, I realized my translation above could be confusing! I should’ve said: It(=my method) might not be the (suitable) way of jumping a lutz when going for a 4lz. Link to comment
Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 UGHH I really wish ANY news site would pick this up and translate it, so it gets the attention it deserves since "non-English news are not trustable" lol Even stuff like Hersh's articles are quoted in wiki. Or the trashy article about old ladies commenting on Yuzu that made its way into CBC's videos. I sometimes wish we have our own publishing website, so we can have things that look legitimate, because apparently "having a website increases your credibility 10000x more than forums" even though the author might suck. We have so much info but so little power, ISU won't believe us and will claim that "we're just making stuff up" when we say there's bias and issues in judging. Link to comment
yuzuangel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 2:58 PM, Salior said: I sometimes wish we have our own publishing website, so we can have things that look legitimate, because apparently "having a website increases your credibility 10000x more than forums" even though the author might suck. We have so much info but so little power, ISU won't believe us and will claim that "we're just making stuff up" when we say there's bias and issues in judging. Expand lol same but (1) i can't translate and (2) i don't know how to make it look unbiased it would have to be called something unrelated to Hanyu maybe if a translator wanted to help me out i could make a site with these translations =D Link to comment
Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:10 PM, Salior said: What he said really struck an important subject - that the techniques you learn when you start skating stays with you and can't be changed easily. And nowadays what do coaches teach young skaters? Pre-rotate their Lz 180˚ because they see how it's being heavily rewarded. We already heard anecdotes from different countries. Now we have Yuzu who couldn't pre-rotate even if he wanted to, what's next, a new generation of skater who can't jump the proper technique even if they wanted to? Pre-rotation inherently runs the risk of injury due to the reduced takeoff speed from rotating the blade on ice. How long can the skater stay small and tiny enough to overcome this? How many skaters will be plagued with injury and tossed aside 2 years after they went senior? Figure skating fans stay when skaters have long careers, the most famous of those competed for 5-6 years to attract the following they had. FS will lose even more fans when their favourites can't even stay in competition for more than a few years. Expand Link to comment
mercedes Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 2:58 PM, Lily* said: I think this translation is pretty accurate about the "things only you can do" part. Just one thing I interpreted differently is: なかなか4回転ルッツに対してのルッツのジャンプじゃないのかもしれないですけど。 In regard to the 4Lz, it may no longer be a lutz jump. Now this is really tough to interpret and only he knows what he really meant, but from the context I would translate this way: It might not be the (suitable) way of jumping a lutz when going for a 4lz. About 下で回る(to rotate down there), I’m pretty sure he meant pre-rotation, but he avoided that word. Expand Again my utmost respect to Yuzuru expressing his view in scoring and jumping but always politely ,firm and confident too but never rude! thank you for sharing . Link to comment
Salior Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 3:00 PM, yuzuangel said: lol same but (1) i can't translate and (2) i don't know how to make it look unbiased it would have to be called something unrelated to Hanyu maybe if a translator wanted to help me out i could make a site with these translations =D Expand went off topic here Reveal hidden contents We have plenty on twitter it seems! Lae, Blueflames for Yuzu, yuzueco, tsukihoshi (who translated Aoi Hono II), and I'm sure plenty of people here would love to help (I've cited a suggestion above). Some of them are already working together for translation and subbing here https://twitter.com/axelwithwings, this article really brought everyone together. There's also IronKlaus, Juronom, shinjiistarr, and a lot others, I used to have a list of translators rip. IronKlaus regularly translates non Yuzu stuff too You're very good at this haha, I still feel sorry for stopping contributing and skating portal flopping last time. Hope there'll be enough people committed to help to pool translated stuff together across platforms, bit sad how decentralised the English fandom is but I understand people are busy. I think I mentioned this before but a lot of them wanted to contribute to their own platforms So many things can go in there - for translated news we can have gladii's translations from tumblr and a LOT of translated articles on twitter, for blogs we can have the Origin / H&L analysis, Chibura's skating analysis on Yuzu and many others (she deleted her tumblr site which was sad, seems like she would love to work with an illustrator to put her explanations across more easily though). Maybe if the Russian fans want they can translate their stuff too lol. But yea the site has to be unbiased. Name it Skating Portal again? lol Maybe we can start with translation of official news first then see how it goes after that. Link to comment
yuzuangel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I think IK's translations make the most sense (but maybe because she interpolates a bit) Link to comment
shanshani Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 this leaves the line about something no longer being a lutz untranslated, which I guess means they couldn't settle on how to translate it Link to comment
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