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Vaitsekhovskaya, probably: Enemy of enemy is friend she probably supports Zhenya because she hates Eteri rather than loving Zhenya. Positive light is that, if i’m not mistaken, she is one of the loudest voice in russian fs media. It’s nice to have media at your back

Crossing my fingers that it would be her...she seems to be protective with her students.

@Lilona keep them coming! I want to know more too! (do you mind keeping an eye on Polina’s news T-T girl is so quiet. Would love to see her new coach has some words about her current condition T-T)

@¯\_(ツ)_/¯ unfortunately I don’t have a clear ranking for this one >_< too many factors come into play, it’s hard to analyze them all. Will be interesting to see how young guys would do when Yuzu retires. When the main media attractor is gone, they have quads and nerves to deal with. Would we see more splatfest in the future, or they would be able to develop their mentality and perform 3-4-5 quads cleanly under immense pressure? Time will tell

@¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i understand your point. Very interesting how we look at them from different views. i agree that we have to wait until someone truly overcomes the adversity and prove themselves that they can deliver under less than ideal conditions. It surprises me that when yuzu was around others’ age (2nd-3rd year at senior circuits), he was already challenged and showed his fighting spirit (WC 2012, wc 2013), while i feel like for the youngsters those challenges have not come yet. I can see and respect Shoma’s fight at WC (though it left a bad taste in my mouth bc of his scores and result, but that’s not sth he could control), Boyang’s at SA 2017. Those fights hopefully would benefit them in developing resilience and mentality. All of this talk makes me appreciate Yuzu more. Becoming champion is amazing, but continuing to deliver and maintaining as the champion are truly miraculous.

@¯\_(ツ)_/¯ hm, i agree with you about not being able to handle pressure is a mental weakness. But it also depends on 1) what kind and amount of pressure 2) how weak is the mentality. Sure, Nathan doesn’t have nerve of steel, his mentality has a lot to desire. I don’t think he is at Yuzu-level, but is he weaker than Shoma or Javier? Probably yes, probably no. For sure he is stronger than Mikhail, who is also a technical strong skater. 1) the pressure Nathan faces is far much stronger than Shoma imo. While Shoma was also aiming for gold, the media did clearly show that PC would be a showdown between Yuzu and Nathan. Japan had 2 medal contenders, and most of expectation was on Yuzu, while Nathan had to suffer whole contry expectation alone. I don’t look down Shoma, but he wasn’t doing well when being put at the spotlight (GPF 2017 was really bad tbh. A couple of his quads were UR, but obviously tech panel didn’t care. 4cc was better, but it wasn’t the best of him too). It is very apparent that he enjoys staying behind Yuzu, or as someone said on this forum before, Yuzu is like a ‘shield’ to absorb part of media and pressure. Nathan doesn’t have that shield. 2) if Nathan is weak, then what could we say about Javi or Patrick? I don’t think Nathan’s mentality is much weaker than them. Don’t forget Javi was aiming for podium, while Nathan wanted gold. That could also create difference. And he doesn’t have much experience too. In short, i neither categorize Nathan’s mentality as weak nor strong. He does well under certain circumstances, and does bad under other conditions. Just like anyone. The current men skater that has strong mentality is, imo, only Yuzu.

I’ve noticed Nathan bombed hard when: 1) he goes after a perfect Yuzu (WC 2017 FS, OWG 2018 SP) and is expected to challenge him. 2) he is the leader (SA 2017, GPF 2017) I think the pressure of performing like a leader is much more intense than we imagine. When Yuzu was absent, Nathan and Shoma were seen as top runners and were expected to match up with Yuzu’s glorious pre sochi history (breaking records. Come on, how many of us have prepared to see new WRs? Especially under Olympic inflation). And they couldn’t do that, either due to the upgrade in BV/ unstable layout or pressure. The pressure of leader/ defender is much much more intense and nerve-wracking than chaser/ challenger. Maybe it’s not Nathan who is mentally weak, but it’s the pressure is too much to handle. WC 2018 is different. After his loss at PC, while Nathan is still the favorite, it is undisputable that Yuzu is back as the king, hence put Nathan under ‘potential challenger’ category. And he did well with that position, like anyone.

I still remember on friday when the announcement was out, Eteri was like “i don’t want to comment anything” then sunday she went full force on the national tv channel, at prime time, badmouthing Zhenya If she doesn’t want to been seen as a coach who can only teach young girls, she could’ve continue to keep silent and made this split business-like as Zhenya did, then say like “Zhenya and I had conversation and we didn’t come to agreement on certain parts. She now wants to try a different method which unfortunately does not fit with our current one. I wish she luck and health for her ongoing career”. Don’t need to talk down Zhenya and Orser, just be like “yeah their have different approach from us”. She could’ve lie, I don’t care, as long as it preserves good image for her and Zhenya. It’s not like everything they disclose must be true 🤷‍♀️ But instead, she was blaming everything on Zhenya, even disclose private conversations which she must know really well that it would affect Zhenya’s image. Do I believe she was doing it under frustration and she wasn’t conscious of her actions? No. It looks like she had spent two days to arrange this, to destroy Zhenya. Having say that, playing dirt with Eteri will not bring anything good. Just calm her down, give a bit comfort to her giant ego, and hopefully she would shut up.

There is no way Eteri didn’t know Zhenya is moving. The head of Sambo club knew, RusFed knew, and she didn’t know? Her group deleted Zhenya’s pics a couple days before the announcement. She must’ve known, she just wanted to portray herself as an innocent coach who was abandoned by her ‘daughter’ 😩 I’m not worried for Eteri. I disagree with the way she treats skaters (current and ex included), and I wish her students could move out of the group before too late. I just think that, in this case, a bit of soft words maybe necessary to avoid drama and criticism towards Zhenya from the public. I’m never for Eteri since the beginning. What i’m saying is being nice to her is better for Zhenya’s image. How could you reduce someone’s anger by keep saying “no you’re wrong, you must admit it”? What Grishin said is like “i understand your feelings, but look, your student has rationales for doing so. I understand your bond and your loss, but now you have more time for other students. This move is benificial for both of you.”. It doesn’t mean he is for Eteri, it’s just a way to calm her down.

I feel like he was trying to calm down both parties....but maybe it’s just me. Of course, I dislike very much, even disgust, Eteri’s reactions (lying, trashing her own student on TV, dragging another student into this mess, etc.). But in media war, I don’t think Zhenya can win over Eteri, simply because she was her coach, and people (general public) would trust Eteri more than her. So whats the point of fighting a fight she can’t win? Just give her a bit of nice words to calm her down, and don’t engage more with media. Which are what Zhenya did. Girl is smart.

Alexander Grishin, TAT's co-commentator, has some great opinion. He sympathised with both sides: From dante at Zhenya FF https://goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?51695-Evgenia-Medvedeva/page577

Oops thank you! The long surname is really a challenge to me 😅

Who is he? Is he with Eteri team like Daniil?

Hello, for those who are familiar with Sambo and Eteri team, may i ask who is the man in the first several seconds of this video that led Anna Shcherbakova to competition? He is at Sambo 70? He was sitting with her at kiss and cry too.

Thanks god it was fast! I don’t think my mental state can handle for a couple days, especially when there are rumors that she was “kicked out of the group”, body shaming and emotionally abused over there...

Polina has arrived CSKA!!! https://www.facebook.com/groups/130455587659387/permalink/178694249502187/ I’m so happy

can someone save Tarakanova this is depressing :(((( Save little Kosto too :((( actually just save them all :(((

I’m crying oh my god i’m so happy for her! Been following her for a while, reading her interviews and stuffs. i can only say, while i respect Eteri team for what they’ve brought to her and I understand that her injuries are main reasons why she didn’t progress much, I can’t help but feel like she was receiving less attention, esp during last season when Eteri is busy with Olympics and juniors. Polina said that coaching team encouraged her to stay, but what i gain from the tone, it seems more like general encouragement than continuous, passionate supports. She also said that the one who changed herself is her mindset, that she got inspiration from Aljona Savchenko. I don’t want to blame on Eteri for everything, i just want to say that, as a Polina fan, I have my reasons to support her move. Edit to fix grammar

If this is true, Eteri is on my blacklist. Forerver. No matter how aware i am about her fortes, methods and achivements. I’m already disappointed about her and what happen between her and Zhenya, but this is the last drop.

@Murieleirum i typed the elements manually too. There you go, from @Xen a few pages back: 3Lz3T< CCoSp4 FSSp4 2A x 3F x StSq4 LSp4

@Murieleirum my friend is stricter, she requires a good running edge/ creative exit/pointing toe to give that bullet. For example, to me Alina’s landing looks good as her body creates good line. But to her it’s not good enough because Alina leans forwards to create the line, which is quite artificial and not pleasing to her eyes. So idk if it was my standards are low or hers are too high

@robin honestly it wasn’t until i started judging that I understand why there are so much debate going on for GOE scoring. But i guess this is why we need 9 judges to balance out the vagueness and subjectivity. Maybe someone with better understanding can explain to me more about “good extension” ?

@robin this is so embarrassing I misunderstood the bullet “good extension” and “good flow”... I was giving them like candy to everyone, so i need to fix my GOEs. Re: Marin’s 3F3T. I think her UR weren’t too obvious (like Elena’s who i gave -2 even she only UR one jump in her combo), so I only gave -1 for both, plus -1 for weak take off. Is it how it works ? Marin’s combo look soft to me tho

Ah that sucks...join us next time! @robin @Murieleirum how did you score GOE for jump? i showed my friend the scoring and she said i ticked the bullet 5 “good extension on landing” & bullet 1 “difficult/creative entry” too generously ETA: actually i was very generous...probably I’d score again