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I approve of being cautious and not rushing! Good, JSF is doing it right this time.

Ah, it's a physical condition vs how you feel thing - like we underestimate or overestimate what we can do in a particular moment, even if only that person can know the actual level of pain. (Completely OT, the pain scale of 1-10 drives me mad, I've said fracture and internal bleeding hurts at maybe a 5 or 6 because I think, well, if my limb was chopped off it would probably be a 9 so relative to that, this has to be a 5 or max 6, but apparently I should've said at least 8 but how can I judge accurately unless I've felt 10, what sense does that make...) Interpretations and misunderstandings! I would guess Brian probably knew that the easier layout for Seimei might not go so well, but it was preferable to doing the 4Lz and 4Lo with his knee inflammation. He should have had muscle memory for old SEimei, too, though, so it might have gone well on another day. Between injury and popstarring, I'd take popping and offer him a mic and a stage to do it on, too!

Ah, of course, it's just a discussion. About semantics, mostly lol. About Helsinki - isn't that where Yuzu trusted Brian's words about trusting his training, and not pushing himself too hard during practice, after that SP? That sounds like the kind of impact I hope Brian is having right now - trusting advice, being honest about how much pain he feels, listening to what his recovery plan should be according to that, instead of going after that 4Lz like a man on a mission and risking injury before he's healed and conditioned enough to do it. And the watered down layout might have resulted in pop-Seimei, but it also resulted in WR Chopin and more importantly, his knee didn't get worse. So that's a win in my book. Plus we got the angsty-longing-gold-medal-gaze, what would we do without that every season. (Could have done without it at CoR though. ) I was thinking about the level of understanding they have now. They had trouble obviously at first - like Yuzu's mad dash after the loop, which he got in the end. He was confident in his skating ability enough that he went for it despite Brian's misgivings. In cases like that, he does know best. But they have a much better understanding and relationship now, so it seems like he listens when told that the soreness means he needs rest even if it doesn't feel that bad right then. That's what I feared he might do in his desire to be back for JNats, that he would push himself too hard before his ankle was really ready for it. But he's listening, to his body and to his team, apparently, so that really is great improvement from him! Yuzu is great with long-term goals, bolder than Brian, and it works for him. I'm thinking of condition as what his body is like... You know... Like when you wake up right as you get over the flu and you feel great finally, but the doctor will tell you to stay in bed one more day because you need that extra day no matter how fine you feel or you will get worse. I read 'he knows best' as more of a comment about what Yuzu is like. He's clearly the 'I can do it! I can still do it!' type who needs to be sat on firmly with a 'You can do it tomorrow' instruction from somebody he'll listen to, sometimes. And if anybody at TCC really considers Javi a better Olympic hopeful than Yuzu, it must be because of the gold-on-costume superstition.

He did say he's much better, you know... Just that he does still have some pain.

You'll forgive me if we have different interpretations of what 'he knows his condition best' means. I don't see the 'obviously' about it being in regards to this instance, too, because that still reads like a statement about Yuzu as a person and his judgment of himself in general, not about what he has said in this particular instance. Other people can know better about his condition and his body, that's why he has trainers and physios and doctors. He knows best how he feels. His condition is what state he actually is in, of which level of pain is one indication. I don't think he's the best at judging when the pain/soreness/illness means he should stop and recover. It's the downside to how hardworking and focused on his goals he is, and it's why his team is very important. You can't be the best at something from just one instance. Again, Yuzu has excellent instincts and knowledge about his field of competitors and what he wants to achieve. In those things, he has often been right, over Brian. But that's not what I was talkng about here, I was talking about Brian's importance in him knowing when to stop and take a breather, when not to do something, how to pace himself while training and practicing, spotting what's going wrong and fixing it. Brian not being there was a factor in him getting hurt at NHK. It might not be the sole factor, but it was a factor. Brian knows how to rein him in when he needs to be, especially with the level of understanding they've had since the build-up to Helsinki. I didn't say it all depends on Brian, either. I said Brian knows how to rein him in when he needs to, like making him stop training for a week before ACI and convincing him to do an easier layout. It might have been about Sochi, then? Because it's hard to believe they said anything of the sort about 2018.

Really? Is there somewhere I can read that interview? I'd be really interested in reading that! Or watching it, if it's a video.

I disagreed with the part of the tweet that basically said Yuzu knows his own condition best? I disagreed because to me it didn't sound like it refers to this particular instance only, it sounds like more of a general statement? And as a general statement that is not entirely right, he pushes himself too much and too hard very often, that's why he got his knee inflammation before ACI, too? So he doesn't know his own condition best generally, because he pushes through pain a lot, and he is injured right now because he misjudged his own condition during NHK practice? In this particular instance right now, he is acknowledging pain and not overtraining, so that is great improvement from him, and long may that improvement last - that's pretty literally what I said? I didn't argue against that at all, so I don't know what you're doubling down on lol. As for Brian and TCC - I'm not implying Brian would ignore other skaters for him. But he split Javi and Yuzu up so he can focus on each during their training as much as possible, so I'd say Yuzu will be observed very carefully as he gets back on ice.

The desire to get be back to his old condition can, let's say, make him a little too enthusiastic and ignore pain he should listen to. Overtraining is something Brian has to keep him from doing, remember? That's just part of Yuzu. That's why being with a coach who knows him very well now is important. Remember practice during CoR? Brian called him over to the boards every time he looked like he was getting frustrated, giving him instructions or just making him take a breath. He needs that, unfortunately. The famed kuyashii can backfire, as it did during NHK practice - fever, what fever, he can jump the lutz, he'd show it. Withdraw, what withdraw, he can ice it and still do it, he can go back out and do his run-through anyway, including spins. I'm sure his body lets him know what he should do. And he's got better at listening to it. But not yet good enough, so he does need Brian. He's the biggest Olympic hopeful at TCC. I'm sure that is taken into account, and reflected in the attention he gets from Brian and Tracy, especially because they know his inclination to overtrain and rush better than anybody else right now. That's why I said the fact that he's admitting he's still got pain and needs more rehab before skating is good. It's improvement from him. Long may that improvement last.

You'd think he's had enough trouble to have learnt already. Didn't injuries ruin his quad-acquisition schedule! His team - he needs to have Brian with him during training and competitions, and listen to them. And be completely honest about how he feels, because how his body feels, only he can know, but he has to listen to his body. I cannot emphasise enough how much he needs Brian with him. I'm sure Brian will be, though. Eagle eye on the boy. I'm glad he's admitting to pain instead of willing it away and ignoring it.

No! No he doesn't, he jumped a flippin' quad without adequate warm-up jumps when he had a damn fever! Yes to all of the rest, of course.

A last-minute WD would mean he's really close to being ready. If he had no hope of being on ice this week, there would be an earlier WD.

Whoever got tickets to some local Senior competition might all be in for the treat of their lifetime.

Things have improved a lot, in three weeks a month , ten days of which was complete rest for this ankle. He still has pain, rehab and physio are always pain anyway. He's not pushing himself onto the ice and skating through pain. Seriously. It's not bad news. Being competition-ready for Nationals was not certain from the moment we heard of the injury. It's really cutting it close. If it's a risk, there's no point doing it. We have to trust that he is strong enough to do what he has to do at the Olympics, no matter what comes before that.

I don't know, if the toll it takes ends with something like ACI Chopin, I think it'll be pretty good. I know he popstarred Semei, but he will be in much better condition than he was there. He's got plenty of time to get his loop sorted, at least. Besides, the Olympics is different. I think mentally, preparing for that kind of weight is just not possible by competing in more usual competitions. This is the one the whole world watches. He might go for a competition of some sort, but even if he doesn't, I'm sure he can be focused enough to do what he needs to do.

Suddenly I have hope that TCC will do a short video of him saying thank you for all wishes, he's working hard and so on. Even if for no reason other than to counter the speculation after that press conference. They've kept a very tight lid on him so far. I somehow doubt this was part of the plan!

And this is not like Satton. She got her fracture, then she got an ankle injury, and then again she got her right hip buggered a couple of months after she hurt her ankle, so that was part of the reason why it took so long for her. Hopefully Yuzu not being back on ice means his team is being very careful, to make sure that it doesn't become like that.

Realistically, we can't expect a proper update until right before Nationals - if he miraculously becomes competition ready - or until just before Olympics, or whatever competition he might to go so he can prepare. Any information we get is also information the competition gets. Why would his team release that? I was hoping for a post-birthday fluff video or something that does not mention skating other than in general terms, really. Just so we could see if he looks happy-ish. Once he is back training as usual, we'll probably get one of those Yuzu-in-the-background posts from somebody at TCC, because I'm pretty sure all videos with Yuzu in the background are uploaded only with approval. I just really want to get a glimpse of him somewhere. *sigh*

That reads to me like: One actual quote. A LINE message of all things. One paragraph of interpretation of that quote and timeline, but not a quote, because it's inference. If somebody had said so, it would be quoted. Rehash of report from earlier, before he went to Toronto. JSF official's opinion.

Anyway, the men have all helped him just fine by showing that they are all inconsistent and made everybody nostalgic for the perfection of Yuzuru Hanyu. Not being able to skate might turn out to be excellent PR in the end. Nothing like losing something (temporarily) to really value it.

He's finally listening, then. Good. Now we can at least be fairly confident JSF won't push him to compete at Nationals. They might have if things had gone differently at Nagoya. The only true goal for him this season is the Olympics. Everything else is preparation for that.

It's not such bad news. It's felt like forever but it's only been about three weeks since the injury! He's healed enough to be training, that's good news. I'm glad he's not skating through pain. But if it comes down to it, we can be perfectly confident that he will skate through all the pain in hell if he had to at the Olympics. And if he needed the Nationals to get to the Olympics, he would do that, too. We should be really really glad that he doesn't have to.

I'm sure he is feeling better. And he's not skating through pain, returning to ice too early and ruining his chances at the Olympics. They're being careful and he's healing and better, that's all good. He's not Wolverine-healing to be jumping quads again already, that's fine, isn't it? We want him for the Nationals, but the big prize is the Olympics. He's got plenty of time to heal and train for that. And he set the only WR of the season from the men in his first competition back, that too after an injury and time off the ice, so worst case scenario, he'll leave the lutz alone and skate with the loop, sal and toeloop. That's fine, you saw the successful quad list that @fireovertheice posted. The odds of any of them suddenly pulling off a 6/7 quad free are so low. None of them are consistent enough to do that. If he can land three excellent ones and two 3As in his free, without losing any combos, I'd bet my kidney that it would be enough to win. And he will go for four no matter what, anyway. If not five.

If the news report says the JSF official spoke to him two days ago, and the interview with the JSF official happened yesterday or today, then we should probably take that at face value. But this would be the kind of update that they don't generally release to the media. Before he put himself on the list for Nationals, too, I'm sure they got an update on his condition. They never said anything about it until now - when it looks like Yuzu is, after all, their best hope for a medal at the Olympics. Skating federations. *shakes fists at them ineffectually*

I think the timing of that interview is because Shoma didn't win GPF. They put a reminder out there about who the World champion is, and that he's on track for the Olympics. And possibly nationals, though I hope he does not compete if he's not in good enough condition yet. I said a while back that if Nathan beats Shoma at the GPF, we might see the JSF suddenly talking about Yuzu a bit more. We wanted news, we've got some. It's not as good as we wanted, but he is training and he's not going to be training on ice until he is healed. That's good.

I agree. Nathan's quads were UR in the short. Shoma's quads all looked UR in the free. Nathan had some iffy rotations in the free, too. Mikhail splatted but he looked like he rotated.