General Yuzuru Chat

[robin]

One what if that is worth considering is- what if Yuzu hadn't skated first?

[mcq]

2010-11

SP BV: 36.50

SP average score: 73.73

LP BV: 79.39

LP average score: 140.87

 

2011-12

SP BV: 41.90 (+5.4)

SP Average score: 78.35 (+4.63)

LP BV: 79.85 (+0.46)

LP Average score: 160.5 (+19.64)

 

2012-13

SP BV: 43.96 (+2.06)

SP Average score: 87.77 (+9.42)

LP BV: 87.71 (+7.86)

LP Average score: 168.48 (+7.98)

 

2013-14

SP BV: No Change

SP Average score: 93.72 (+5.95)

LP BV: 90.12 (+2.41)

LP Average score: 180.23 (+11.75)

 

2014-15

SP BV: 44.36 (+0.4)

SP average score: 90.14 (-3.57)

LP BV: 90.62 (+0.5)

LP average score: 176.84 (-3.38)

 

2015-16

SP BV: 47.15 (+3.09)

SP average Score: 99.47 (+9.33)

LP BV: 95.19 (+4.57)

LP Average score: 195.70 (+18.86)

 

2016-17

SP BV: 49.75 (+2.6)

SP Average score: 93.90 (-5.5)

LP BV: 103.43 (+8.24)

LP Average score: 195.85 (+0.15)

 

Average PCS scores (this is excluding Nationals cuz I can't find the score cards)

2010-11

SP: 33.17

LP: 68.48

 

2011-12

SP: 36.72 (+3.55)

LP: 79.15 (+10.67) <- !!!!!

 

2012-13

SP: 41.65 (+4.93)

LP: 81.16 (+2.01)

 

2013-14

SP: 43.84 (+2.21)

LP: 86.76 (+5.60)

 

2014-15

SP: 44.41 (+0.57)

LP: 71.19 (-15.57) <- yikes

 

2015-16

SP: 46.73 (+2.32)

LP: 93.76 (+22.57)

 

2016-17

SP: 46.23 (-0.5)

LP: 96.6 (-1.16)

 

What this shows: a steady increase in BV is matched by PCS but the rise in PCS was pretty rapid, Yuzu has a comfy PCS cushion for when his TES goes sideways, even if tech issues are reflected in PCS. Average score increase is balanced between BV rise, PCS rise and GOE rise (program quality) but the sharp BV rise this season didn't exactly pay off.

 

Jina, I think there is a mistake here. His PCS for 2014/15 season in the LP is still pretty high.

CoC : 84.02, NHK: 82.48 GPF: 91.78 (nats: 91.6) World : 88.64, WTT: 93.36. The average can't be 71.19.

 

Also, the 2016/17 average PCS, is it really 96.6? He only received over 96 once at worlds (97) but the rest is below that so I think the average should be lower. This is his PCS from AC to worlds, respectively : 86.60, 88.12, 92.52, 92.36, 94.34, 97.03

[Specs]

Today's TV show about Yuzuru. [170506 THE★LEGEND]

 

Cr : YzRIKO

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5l5ya ... gend_sport

I made a quick translation of this, others will no doubt do a more accurate job later.

 

Showing clips of commentary from Spain, Russia and Italy after his LP performance.

Spain "His Majesty Hanyu" Russia "Pooh Rain and 90% of pooh bears are at his house" Italy "Planet Hanyu" of course.

At the Sendai Monument unveiling ceremony, some fans attending traveled from the States and China to see him.

7:48

Oda discusses Yuzu's popularity at shows. "Usually, gifts are put in the hallway temporarily, but in Hanyu's case it doesn't fit, so it's put in a separate room."

Oda also talks about how commentators coined the expression "doing an Oda". "I think my name was mentioned because the skater in question jumped too much." (explanation that jumping the same kind of jump too many times causes the jump to have 0 points attached)

"I'm like, wait, how many times have I jumped so far? I get flustered! I get flustered..."

Oda and Hanyu are best friends, about what Hanyu's really like, Oda said, "He's such a gentleman! When ladies leave he holds the door for them, or pulls out a chair for them, he's really kind to women."

"He doesn't like to eat much. He doesn't eat much, when eating a meal he often says, oh I'm full. I've never seen him eat fried food. He says it's too heavy on his stomach."

 

The last clip is Rafael Arutyunyan asking Hanyu for an autograph and Hanyu being surprised.

[robin]

Specs said:

lynne001 said:

Today's TV show about Yuzuru. [170506 THE★LEGEND]

 

Cr : YzRIKO

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5l5ya ... gend_sport

I made a quick translation of this, other will no doubt do a more accurate job later.

 

Showing clips of commentary from Spain, Russia and Italy after his LP performance.

Spain "His Majesty Hanyu" Russia "Pooh Rain and 90% of pooh bears are at his house" Italy "Planet Hanyu" of course.

At the unveiling ceremony, some fans attending traveled from the States and China to see him.

7:48

Oda discusses Yuzu's popularity at shows. "Usually, gifts are put in the hallway temporarily, but in Hanyu's case it doesn't fit, so it's put in a separate room."

Oda also talks about how commentators coined the expression "doing an Oda". "I think my name was mentioned because the skater in question jumped too much." (explanation that jumping the same kind of jump too many times causes the jump to have 0 points attached)

"I'm like, wait, how many times have I jumped so far? I get flustered! I get flustered..."

Oda and Hanyu are best friends, about what Hanyu's really like, Oda said, "He's such a gentleman! When ladies leave he holds the door for them, or pulls out a chair for them, he's really kind to women."

"He doesn't like to eat much. He doesn't eat much, when eating a meal he often says, oh I'm full. I've never seen him eat fried food. He says it's too heavy on his stomach."

 

The last clip is Rafael Arutyunyan asking Hanyu for an autograph and Hanyu being surprised.

 

Thank you!  

[Yolo3a]

Hi guys, had a busy few days so I was just reading the forum without posting. But I was thinking about the media push that shoma is getting, and I like it? Because since 2014 Yuzu has been the one the entire Japanese media was looking to and the entire country has been waiting bring results. And that is an enormous pressure. And last year, even with yuzu's wc win, he had an up and down season and we saw the kind of pressure he feels in the wtt SP. Because of the added pressure from media, yuzu's pressure on himself is pretty high and while he is a high functioning alien who loves attention, I think it would be cool if he could face the Olympics season with as little pressure as possible? Especially since he is the defending champion and is the WC and everyone would be looking at him. And we all remember how pressured was his LP in last Olympics and the pressure Patrick was under the entire event..

My point was that, shoma had a pretty even season with average performance everywhere because he is not the centre of attention anywhere. The focus goes over his head(this is also a pun about his height, I know it's lame). When it comes to Japanese media pressure, Yuzu faces that. When it comes to youngsters with quad pressure, Nathan is on the front line. Basically shoma can go in and come out without any responsibility except that to himself.

So this media attention and the articles and the press that forces him to come to more light would also make him take a bit of pressure off Yuzu. Yuzu won't be the only Japanese hope for a gold. People won't travel and buy tickets only for Yuzu. And in the course if shoma improves as a skater, that would be cool too. I love that Yuzu gets some slack in carrying the burden alone and I think that's why he feels such kinship to shoma.

It's just a line of thought. I obviously don't like anyone bashing Yuzu, but shoma promo is quite okay I guess.

[Arwen]

One what if that is worth considering is- what if Yuzu hadn't skated first?

He'd definitely got higher score if he skated later in his group, that's for sure. (I'm talking about FS here.)

Just today I've thought that he'd better to skate 4-6th in his group at OG. It's pure luck, so can he has all needed amount of it at OG?..

[OmNom]

The what-ifs game is never credible or valid, period. It all depends on how well skaters perform on the day. If they didn't win bc they were held down, that's another matter. But saying 'if this skater didn't mess up the Lutz' or 'if that skater didn't fall' they would have won is really stupid and frankly ignorant. They made mistakes that cost them the gold/a medal. What if Yuzu didn't botch his SP at 4CC? What if the CoD was solved by GPF? what if he never got injured before Worlds '16? He could've snatched all golds all season!!

(See how ridiculous that sounds?)

[Yolo3a]

Kindly excuse my butchering of English language. I am like Yuzu. English is like third Language to me

 

[OmNom]

Yolo3a said:

Hi guys, had a busy few days so I was just reading the forum without posting. But I was thinking about the media push that shoma is getting, and I like it? Because since 2014 Yuzu has been the one the entire Japanese media was looking to and the entire country has been waiting bring results. And that is an enormous pressure. And last year, even with yuzu's wc win, he had an up and down season and we saw the kind of pressure he feels in the wtt SP. Because of the added pressure from media, yuzu's pressure on himself is pretty high and while he is a high functioning alien who loves attention, I think it would be cool if he could face the Olympics season with as little pressure as possible? Especially since he is the defending champion and is the WC and everyone would be looking at him. And we all remember how pressured was his LP in last Olympics and the pressure Patrick was under the entire event..

My point was that, shoma had a pretty even season with average performance everywhere because he is not the centre of attention anywhere. The focus goes over his head(this is also a pun about his height, I know it's lame). When it comes to Japanese media pressure, Yuzu faces that. When it comes to youngsters with quad pressure, Nathan is on the front line. Basically shoma can go in and come out without any responsibility except that to himself.

So this media attention and the articles and the press that forces him to come to more light would also make him take a bit of pressure off Yuzu. Yuzu won't be the only Japanese hope for a gold. People won't travel and buy tickets only for Yuzu. And in the course if shoma improves as a skater, that would be cool too. I love that Yuzu gets some slack in carrying the burden alone and I think that's why he feels such kinship to shoma.

It's just a line of thought. I obviously don't like anyone bashing Yuzu, but shoma promo is quite okay I guess.

 

Yeah I'm totally okay with Yuzu having less burden and pressure on his shoulders. I can say that I was definitely not concerned about the attention Shoma's getting, in fact I think a lot of us is quite cool with it.

What ticks people off, though, is when lies in various forms are fabricated to bring shoma up and Yuzu down for the sake of rivalry/ratings/politicking etc. It's not fair to both of them, and it leaves a bad taste in fans' mouths.

[CupidsBow]

2010-11

SP BV: 36.50

SP average score: 73.73

LP BV: 79.39

LP average score: 140.87

 

2011-12

SP BV: 41.90 (+5.4)

SP Average score: 78.35 (+4.63)

LP BV: 79.85 (+0.46)

LP Average score: 160.5 (+19.64)

 

2012-13

SP BV: 43.96 (+2.06)

SP Average score: 87.77 (+9.42)

LP BV: 87.71 (+7.86)

LP Average score: 168.48 (+7.98)

 

2013-14

SP BV: No Change

SP Average score: 93.72 (+5.95)

LP BV: 90.12 (+2.41)

LP Average score: 180.23 (+11.75)

 

2014-15

SP BV: 44.36 (+0.4)

SP average score: 90.14 (-3.57)

LP BV: 90.62 (+0.5)

LP average score: 176.84 (-3.38)

 

2015-16

SP BV: 47.15 (+3.09)

SP average Score: 99.47 (+9.33)

LP BV: 95.19 (+4.57)

LP Average score: 195.70 (+18.86)

 

2016-17

SP BV: 49.75 (+2.6)

SP Average score: 93.90 (-5.5)

LP BV: 103.43 (+8.24)

LP Average score: 195.85 (+0.15)

 

Average PCS scores (this is excluding Nationals cuz I can't find the score cards)

2010-11

SP: 33.17

LP: 68.48

 

2011-12

SP: 36.72 (+3.55)

LP: 79.15 (+10.67) <- !!!!!

 

2012-13

SP: 41.65 (+4.93)

LP: 81.16 (+2.01)

 

2013-14

SP: 43.84 (+2.21)

LP: 86.76 (+5.60)

 

2014-15

SP: 44.41 (+0.57)

LP: 71.19 (-15.57) <- yikes

 

2015-16

SP: 46.73 (+2.32)

LP: 93.76 (+22.57)

 

2016-17

SP: 46.23 (-0.5)

LP: 96.6 (-1.16)

 

What this shows: a steady increase in BV is matched by PCS but the rise in PCS was pretty rapid, Yuzu has a comfy PCS cushion for when his TES goes sideways, even if tech issues are reflected in PCS. Average score increase is balanced between BV rise, PCS rise and GOE rise (program quality) but the sharp BV rise this season didn't exactly pay off.

 

Jina, I think there is a mistake here. His PCS for 2014/15 season in the LP is still pretty high.

CoC : 84.02, NHK: 82.48 GPF: 91.78 (nats: 91.6) World : 88.64, WTT: 93.36. The average can't be 71.19.

 

Also, the 2016/17 average PCS, is it really 96.6? He only received over 96 once at worlds (97) but the rest is below that so I think the average should be lower. This is his PCS from AC to worlds, respectively : 86.60, 88.12, 92.52, 92.36, 94.34, 97.03

 

You're right! whoops, I think I forgot to put a score in when I was calculating:

14-15 PCS Average is 88 so he was actually +1.24.

 

2016-17 I typo'd I was supposed to write 92.6 but this is also wrong because I made a mistake on the gpf score (I also included WTT)

LP average: so it actually comes to 92.08 (-1.7)

 

*goes to edit the OP*

Thanks for pointing is out!

 

Also, welp that means this season is the only one where he had a pcs dip

[robin]

One what if that is worth considering is- what if Yuzu hadn't skated first?

He'd definitely got higher score if he skated later in his group, that's for sure. (I'm talking about FS here.)

Just today I've thought that he'd better to skate 4-6th in his group at OG. It's pure luck, so can he has all needed amount of it at OG?..

 

His score might have been higher for sure but I was thinking about the mental effect Yuzu's skate had on the rest. They all crumbled because Yuzu was just that good. Yuzu might thrive under such conditions but most other skaters don't.

[Sombreuil]

Yolo3a said:

Kindly excuse my butchering of English language. I am like Yuzu. English is like third Language to me

 

I think your English is great - I admire the effort all the non English speakers put in here.

[robin]

jinabee said:

 

You're right! whoops, I think I forgot to put a score in when I was calculating:

14-15 PCS Average is 88 so he was actually +1.24.

 

2016-17 I typo'd I was supposed to write 92.6 but this is also wrong because I made a mistake on the gpf score (I also included WTT)

LP average: so it actually comes to 92.08 (-1.7)

 

*goes to edit the OP*

Thanks for pointing is out!

 

Also, welp that means this season is the only one where he had a pcs dip

 

To no fault of his own  

[Arwen]

His score might have been higher for sure but I was thinking about the mental effect Yuzu's skate had on the rest. They all crumbled because Yuzu was just that good. Yuzu might thrive under such conditions but most other skaters don't.

Yes, that's true.

[mcq]

You're right! whoops, I think I forgot to put a score in when I was calculating:

14-15 PCS Average is 88 so he was actually +1.24.

 

2016-17 I typo'd I was supposed to write 92.6 but this is also wrong because I made a mistake on the gpf score (I also included WTT)

LP average: so it actually comes to 92.08 (-1.7)

 

*goes to edit the OP*

Thanks for pointing is out!

 

Also, welp that means this season is the only one where he had a pcs dip

 

No problem, I got cross-eyed too when I look at protocols and scores and doing all the math and stats for his scores. So I feel your pain :space:

 

I think 2015/16, due to NHK and GPF, it is just a given that his average PCS is going to be higher than 16/17 season. But his average performance this season imo is better than he has ever been in his entire senior season :D

Anyway, this site is my go-to for the summary of his TES and PCS, (and protocols). You can check this one for reference instead of going through each protocols, it is easier :love:

http://skatedb.net/modules/skateDB/index.php?page=player&playerid=618