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Yeah,, because Yuzu is not the type of skater to be happy with getting silver or bronze medals. He wants Gold or nothing, so if the ISU system will not give him Gold, I feel he will leave the sport earlier than he wants to stay.

He also said that if it weren't for Nathan, he would quit skating. In the recent press con, he said his dream is to land all 5 quads. So I am always confused as to where his true motivation lies. His words and goals seem to change (which I love). I doubt he will retire just 1 season before Beijing though. 2 years before Beijing is understandable, but retiring just 1 season before Beijing is ???? Because normally athletes retire after every olympic cycle (every 4 years). I sometimes imagine him to compete at Japan Open or do a Takahashi Daisuke and unretire at J Nationals even after he retires though. Just for 1 last time sort of thing 😍

Yes I saw that interview. That is why I said 27 is the maximum limit. Besides he once said in 2015 that he will retire by 23, and focus on ice shows after then. But he didn't. He then said that an athlete hits their peak near 30 in an 2017 interview. I think he is human and his motivation wanes and grows depending on the situation. I would not rule out Beijing because he has never said no, and also said during 2019 ACI interview that if there is Beijing ahead of his goals it would be good. (You can search the video) However, as a fan I would like him to retire at Beijing as long as Yuzu himself wants to. Any more beyond that, I believe even Yuzu cannot be competitive past 27~29 ish.

Hence I said in my original post that I doubt we will ever see an Olympic Champion in men's singles older than 30. To be honest, I agree 100% with you, and I doubt we will ever see an olympic champion older than 28. That is the age limit that I see, with all those quads and quints taking a toll on the body. And yes I do agree, I don't count team medal medalists the same, but it was the only table I could find. I don't know if Yuzu will ever get a team event olympic medal, but as Japan doesn't have strong ice dance and pairs, it won't be gold for sure. I hope that is the only non-gold Olympic medal he will ever get. I would be very very surprized if Yuzu competed post Beijing. 27 is the absolute maximum limit that I see him being motivated to skate up to. But they always say never say never... so who knows?

I did a quick research on the age of olympic medalists in figure skating men's singles. And the oldest Olympic champion in men's singles (excluding team event) was: 81 34 years, 253 days Gillis Grafström 1928 St. Moritz Gold June 7, 1893 February 15, 1928 His 3rd medal Gillis Grafström I guess back in 1908, one could still become a Olympic champion in men's singles even at the age of 34. Since times have changed and men's singles have become a quad battle field, I doubt we will ever see an Olympic champion who is older than 30. I don't know how long Yuzu will compete for, and whether or not he goes to 2022 Beijing Olympics, but even if he does, he will still be making history just by medalling there! Because the last 2 skaters who got a medal at 27 at Olympics was: 73 27 years, 110 days Paul Wylie 1992 Albertville Silver October 28, 1964 February 15, 1992 It was 2 years before Yuzu was even born! and also 72 27 years, 107 days Evgeni Plushenko 2010 Vancouver Silver November 3, 1982 February 18, 2010 His 3rd medal Of course Plushenko! All I'm trying to say is that it's so amazing Yuzu is still competing at age 25, and it would be so lovely to see him go to Beijing even if he doesn't win it. If he goes, a medal would be fine for me, but I'm sure Yuzu won't go if he can't get gold. But anyway, I just wanted to touch upon some men's figure skating history and say "Yuzu is still making history even now just by competing!" Men's singles Rank Age Nation & Name Games Medal Date of Birth Date of Event Notes 1 14 years, 363 days Scott Allen 1964 Innsbruck Bronze February 8, 1949 February 6, 1964 2 18 years, 107 days Robert Van Zeebroeck 1928 St. Moritz Bronze October 31, 1909 February 15, 1928 3 18 years, 129 days Ronald Robertson 1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo Silver September 25, 1937 February 1, 1956 4 18 years, 202 days Dick Button 1948 St Moritz Gold July 18, 1929 February 5, 1948 His 1st medal 5 18 years, 238 days Viktor Petrenko 1988 Calgary Bronze June 27, 1969 February 20, 1988 His 1st medal 6 18 years, 283 days Nathan Chen 2018 Pyeongchang Bronze May 5, 1999 February 12, 2018 In team event 7 19 years, 30 days Patrick Péra 1968 Grenoble Bronze January 17, 1949 February 16, 1968 His 1st medal 8 19 years, 56 days Jason Brown 2014 Sochi Bronze December 15, 1994 February 9, 2014 In team event 9 19 years, 69 days Yuzuru Hanyu 2014 Sochi Gold December 7, 1994 February 14, 2014 His 1st medal 10 19 years, 103 days Evgeni Plushenko 2002 Salt Lake City Silver November 3, 1982 February 14, 2002 His 1st medal 11 19 years, 217 days David Jenkins 1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo Bronze June 29, 1936 February 1, 1956 His 1st medal 12 19 years, 240 days Tim Wood 1968 Grenoble Silver June 21, 1948 February 16, 1968 13 19 years, 299 days Georges Gautschi 1924 Chamonix Bronze April 6, 1904 January 30, 1924 14 19 years, 330 days Donald Jackson 1960 Squaw Valley Bronze April 2, 1940 February 26, 1960 15 20 years, 62 days Shoma Uno 2018 Pyeongchang Silver December 17, 1997 February 17, 2018 16 20 years, 74 days Jozef Sabovčík 1984 Sarajevo Bronze December 4, 1963 February 16, 1984 17 20 years, 76 days James Grogan 1952 Oslo Bronze December 7, 1931 February 21, 1952 18 20 years, 94 days Alexei Urmanov 1994 Lillehammer Gold November 17, 1973 February 19, 1994 19 20 years, 155 days Wolfgang Schwarz 1968 Grenoble Gold September 14, 1947 February 16, 1968 20 20 years, 246 days Denis Ten 2014 Sochi Bronze June 13, 1993 February 14, 2014 21 20 years, 267 days Ilia Kulik 1998 Nagano Gold May 23, 1977 February 14, 1998 22 20 years, 280 days Manfred Schnelldorfer 1964 Innsbruck Gold May 2, 1943 February 6, 1964 23 20 years, 320 days Stéphane Lambiel 2006 Torino Silver April 2, 1985 February 16, 2006 24 21 years, 20 days Ondrej Nepela 1972 Sapporo Gold January 22, 1951 February 11, 1972 25 21 years, 31 days Felix Kaspar 1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen Bronze January 14, 1915 February 14, 1936 26 21 years, 157 days Timothy Goebel 2002 Salt Lake City Bronze September 10, 1980 February 14, 2002 27 21 years, 333 days Alexei Yagudin 2002 Salt Lake City Gold March 18, 1980 February 14, 2002 28 21 years, 334 days Elvis Stojko 1994 Lillehammer Silver March 22, 1972 February 19, 1994 His 1st medal 29 22 years, 2 days Philippe Candeloro 1994 Lillehammer Bronze February 17, 1972 February 19, 1994 His 1st medal 30 22 years, 60 days Brian Orser 1984 Sarajevo Silver December 18, 1961 February 16, 1984 His 1st medal 31 22 years, 173 days Montgomery Wilson 1932 Lake Placid Bronze August 20, 1909 February 9, 1932 32 22 years, 188 days Robin Cousins 1980 Lake Placid Gold August 17, 1957 February 21, 1980 33 22 years, 218 days Dick Button 1952 Oslo Gold July 18, 1929 February 21, 1952 His 2nd medal 34 22 years, 233 days Viktor Petrenko 1992 Albertville Gold June 27, 1969 February 15, 1992 His 2nd medal 35 22 years, 241 days Hellmut Seibt 1952 Oslo Silver June 25, 1929 February 21, 1952 36 22 years, 268 days Karl Schäfer 1932 Lake Placid Gold May 17, 1909 February 9, 1932 His 1st medal 37 22 years, 315 days Hayes Alan Jenkins 1956 Cortina d'Ampezzo Gold March 23, 1933 February 1, 1956 38 22 years, 359 days Mikhail Kolyada 2018 Pyeongchang Silver February 18, 1995 February 12, 2018 In team event 39 23 years, 9 days Vladimir Kovalev 1976 Innsbruck Silver February 2, 1953 February 11, 1976 40 23 years, 25 days Patrick Péra 1972 Sapporo Bronze January 17, 1949 February 11, 1972 His 2nd medal 41 23 years, 40 days Patrick Chan 2014 Sochi Silver December 31, 1990 February 9, 2014 In team event; his 1st medal 42 23 years, 45 days Patrick Chan 2014 Sochi Silver December 31, 1990 February 14, 2014 His 2nd medal 43 23 years, 72 days Yuzuru Hanyu 2018 Pyeongchang Gold December 7, 1994 February 17, 2018 His 2nd medal 44 23 years, 105 days Evgeni Plushenko 2006 Torino Gold November 3, 1982 February 16, 2006 His 2nd medal 45 23 years, 159 days Alain Calmat 1964 Innsbruck Silver August 31, 1940 February 6, 1964 46 23 years, 168 days Jeffrey Buttle 2006 Torino Bronze September 1, 1982 February 16, 2006 47 23 years, 201 days Kevin Reynolds 2014 Sochi Silver July 23, 1990 February 9, 2014 In team event 48 23 years, 242 days David Jenkins 1960 Squaw Valley Gold June 29, 1936 February 26, 1960 His 2nd medal 49 23 years, 277 days Per Thorén 1908 London Bronze January 26, 1885 October 29, 1908 50 23 years, 339 days Daisuke Takahashi 2010 Vancouver Bronze March 16, 1986 February 18, 2010 51 24 years, 4 days Karol Divín 1960 Squaw Valley Silver February 22, 1936 February 26, 1960 52 24 years, 118 days Jan Hoffmann 1980 Lake Placid Silver October 26, 1955 February 21, 1980 53 24 years, 121 days Brian Boitano 1988 Calgary Gold October 22, 1963 February 20, 1988 54 24 years, 259 days Evan Lysacek 2010 Vancouver Gold June 4, 1985 February 18, 2010 55 25 years, 145 days Edi Rada 1948 St Moritz Bronze September 13, 1922 February 5, 1948 56 25 years, 172 days Scott Hamilton 1984 Sarajevo Gold August 28, 1958 February 16, 1984 57 25 years, 293 days Andreas Krogh 1920 Antwerp Silver July 9, 1894 April 27, 1920 58 25 years, 329 days Elvis Stojko 1998 Nagano Silver March 22, 1972 February 14, 1998 His 2nd medal 59 25 years, 343 days Petr Barna 1992 Albertville Bronze March 9, 1966 February 15, 1992 60 25 years, 362 days Philippe Candeloro 1998 Nagano Bronze February 17, 1972 February 14, 1998 His 2nd medal 61 26 years, 30 days Sergei Chetverukhin 1972 Sapporo Silver January 12, 1946 February 11, 1972 62 26 years, 64 days Brian Orser 1988 Calgary Silver December 18, 1961 February 20, 1988 His 2nd medal 63 26 years, 100 days Charles Tickner 1980 Lake Placid Bronze November 13, 1953 February 21, 1980 64 26 years, 133 days Richard Johansson 1908 London Silver June 18, 1882 October 29, 1908 65 26 years, 155 days John Curry 1976 Innsbruck Gold September 9, 1949 February 11, 1976 66 26 years, 229 days Hans Gerschwiler 1948 St Moritz Silver June 21, 1921 February 5, 1948 67 26 years, 273 days Karl Schäfer 1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen Gold May 17, 1909 February 14, 1936 His 2nd medal 68 26 years, 297 days Toller Cranston 1976 Innsbruck Bronze April 20, 1949 February 11, 1976 69 26 years, 308 days Javier Fernández 2018 Pyeongchang Bronze April 15, 1991 February 17, 2018 70 26 years, 325 days Gillis Grafström 1920 Antwerp Gold June 7, 1893 April 27, 1920 His 1st medal 71 27 years, 43 days Patrick Chan 2018 Pyeongchang Gold December 31, 1990 February 12, 2018 In team event; his 3rd medal 72 27 years, 107 days Evgeni Plushenko 2010 Vancouver Silver November 3, 1982 February 18, 2010 His 3rd medal 73 27 years, 110 days Paul Wylie 1992 Albertville Silver October 28, 1964 February 15, 1992 74 28 years, 93 days Adam Rippon 2018 Pyeongchang Bronze November 11, 1989 February 12, 2018 In team event 75 28 years, 249 days Jeremy Abbott 2014 Sochi Bronze June 5, 1985 February 9, 2014 In team event 76 30 years, 140 days Ernst Baier 1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen Silver September 27, 1905 February 14, 1936 Baier's 2nd medal [a] 77 30 years, 237 days Gillis Grafström 1924 Chamonix Gold June 7, 1893 January 30, 1924 His 2nd medal 78 31 years, 3 days Willy Böckl 1924 Chamonix Silver January 27, 1893 January 30, 1924 His 1st medal 79 31 years, 83 days Ulrich Salchow 1908 London Gold August 7, 1877 October 29, 1908 80 31 years, 98 days Evgeni Plushenko 2014 Sochi Gold November 3, 1982 February 9, 2014 In team event; his 4th medal 81 34 years, 253 days Gillis Grafström 1928 St. Moritz Gold June 7, 1893 February 15, 1928 His 3rd medal 82 35 years, 19 days Willy Böckl 1928 St. Moritz Silver January 27, 1893 February 15, 1928 His 2nd medal 83 38 years, 247 days Gillis Grafström 1932 Lake Placid Silver June 7, 1893 February 9, 1932 His 4th medal 84 44 years, 78 days Martin Stixrud 1920 Antwerp Bronze February 9, 1876 April 27, 1920

Or they want Yuzu to step it up and match Nathan's BV all the time. They are killing the sport, because it's becoming just gymnastics on ice if they keep doing this

In my personal opinion, the reason ISU is over-scoring Nathan is because: 1. They need a backup top male figure skater when Yuzu retires to fill up his empty place, and they want to make it Nathan. They know Yuzu will retire soon, and thus needs to hype up another male superstar. They are hoping Nathan breaking Yuzu's World Records somehow proves he is the better new superstar. 2. They need to create a rivalry between Yuzu and Nathan to keep the sport competitive, interesting for casual viewers. Everyone gets more attracted to sports rivalry 3. They need to create the ultimate rival story leading up to Beijing Olympics. At Sochi it was Yuzu vs Patrick At PC, it was Nathan vs Yuzu At Beijing, they need another one. 4. They are somewhat tired of seeing Yuzu compete for so long, and want him out of the picture (just a theory, but why else would they mark Yuzu's PCS down like that?) 5. They are nitpicking on Yuzu and mark him down for the slightest weaknesses, because they expect him to be the god of figure skating. When he doesn't live up to their high expectations of "the perfect isu cash cow, pumps out clean program, world record breaking" yuzuru hanyu, they are greatly disappointed in him

Someone should definitely make a MAD or fan made music video of these lyrics as background and include this season's Yuzu videos 😎😎😎

If Yuzu doesn't win that ISU most valuable skater award even after being featured in 2019 Google Rewind (and being the only figure skater to be featured), then that whole awards is a joke show and I won't bother voting next time.

One of the main attractions TSL has is 1. They do long discussions, ones where they explore skaters in depth, in detail 2. They both know the sport, they know the sport history and they know the politics behind the sport, which makes it interesting to hear from a newbie perspective. As long as TSL exists, and as long as no rival podcast can get into the level of depth, length as TSL, it will always have an audience. And to be honest, whilst I dislike them for their gossiping, it is also the main reasons why I can't stop listening. They have all these opinions that have no weight, but I'm already addicted to watching all their competition reviews for some reason.

Didn't Brian also call Yuzu "very sensitive" when he had that practice drama incident with Denis Ten at 2016 Worlds in Boston? I heard Denis used to purposely disrupt Yuzu's practice, and Yuzu got annoyed because it was getting repetitive. Then Orser opened his mouth by calling Yuzu "sensitive" and didn't defend Yuzu from the backlash that followed. This isn't the first time I've seen him open his mouth to the media in ways that was like "wah?" However, I do feel Yuzu has chemistry with all 3 coaches at TCC; Tracy, Orser and Ghislain. Seeing as how Eteri camp also has 3 coaches for each top skater, maybe 3 is a magic number. I think whether or not Yuzu has a favorite coach doesn't matter, as long as all 3 contribute to coaching Yuzu, and as long as Yuzu feels happy at TCC. I cannot imagine Yuzu training anywhere else, because he's been in TCC for almost 9 years now. It's his second home. Also I think TSL trying to create drama between Ghislain and Orser is not helping. Doug Haw should seriously text TSL to stop creating necessary drama about Yuzu's coaches.

They said that they are going to sell Men's Free and Gala tickets separately even though they are on the same day. As in, they are expecting a high demand for sales. Could this be sign that Yuzu is going..? Why else would men's free skating and gala be such in high demand that they would be sold separately even if they are both on sunday? I would not be surprised if Yuzu and JSF has contacted 4CC for entry by now. And them separating only the men's event and gala ticket on the same day is suspicious. Also I think Yuzu may want to go to 4CC because of rankings too. He wants to get back that ISU world standing number 1. He has to strategize his every move in counteract to ISU politics.

Yuzu once said in 2015 Asaichi he is allergic to alcohol. So why would Yuzu need a pink band during banquet anyway? 😆 On the side note about ice shows next year. Maybe what Yuzu needs is a break during off season. Doing Faoi shows back to back and not having summer break at all might be a heavy toll and heavy schedule. Or maybe he should focus on training 4A in summer? I think shows in Japan are great, i would love him to do Continue with Wings again. But Faoi national tour seems a bit too much sometimes..

He loves Yuzu one minute, but finds little details to hate him the next. It's like he has a love and hate relationship with Yuzu. He can never make up his mind.

Here is the Youtube link for "Google - Year in Search 2019" I'm very proud of Yuzu to be feature here. It symbolizes he is an international hero now. Also Google! It took you long enough! I reckon they should've feature him early as 2015, and definitely during 2018 after PC olympics!

I heard on twitter that area had restricted access, meaning it might have been one of the volunteers that vandalized. But it was a fan account's opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

You forgot that Korea is only 2 hours flight time from Japan, so there will be lots of Japanese media and fans more so than the usual foreign competition. It will still be a pressuring competition for him, considering the increased number of media + home fans showing up. Also more hype for him competing at 4CC, after his loss at GPF (because Japanese media loves comeback stories so much = more media hype). Also 4CC in Korea is relatively cheap to go to compared to other countries, so there will be even more fans arriving there. I heard it is a 5000 seat stadium, and considering Korea's close distance to both China and Japan (Yuzu's biggest fanbases), I expect a full packed stadium + more media pressure for Yuzu to deliver. I doubt Nathan will go though, because he has exams during that time.

He also has a good memory of beating Nathan the last time Nathan was there in Korea, so yes. And hopefully yes because Yuzu doesn't have much time left in his career to go to 4CC many times. I doubt he will go to 4CC in 2021 as it is in Australia, and the flight time to Australia from Canada is 18 hours (very unlikely he will go such lengths just to go to 4CC). He always skips 4CC before olympics, so this year is his last opportunity to go before Beijing, considering it is a reasonable distance from Canada to Korea.

I would like to add 1 more skater to your mix. Yuzu, G & Cizeron, Alena Kostornaia are my 3 favorite artistic skaters. These 3 give me goosebumps. Stepanova and bukin are next in the lineup

I remembered that Yuzu loved Johnny's Ave Maria EX program, and picked it as the program he most wanted to see again at a Japanese show. It reminds me alot of Notte Stellata in many ways. You can see where Yuzu got his artistic influence from by watching some of Weir's old programs. I think his costumes are also inspired by Johnny Weir's too, especially that fluff on the shoulder thing. I love how Yuzu isn't afraid to add lots of sparkles, laces, feminine bright colors to his costumes. No offense but one of the main reasons I couldn't get into Patrick Chan and Nathan Chen's programs are because of the plain frugal tops they wore as costumes. I sense some male skaters are afraid to try "girly" colors, patterns, laces, sparkles and styles and it puts me off. Figure skating is art to Yuzu and I'm glad he is never afraid to try and express all different types of costumes, expressions, music etc.

OMG imagine a video of him running on the treadmill at the gym! I've never seen a documentary clip of him doing long term stamina training We've never seen that clip yet lol

Wasn't there a Spirit of the Athletes Documentary in 2012 showing him taking Justin Bieber boyfriend hip hop classes at TCC? Or was that a summer camp short term thing? I thought he kept taking those dance lessons at TCC

This is your quote: "not because you think it is wrong or inappropriate or inconsiderate, or anything" Go back and read all my replies in relation to the Kiss and Cry birthday song. I repeatedly stressed like 10 times that I think it's wrong because it would disrupt the next skater skating after Yuzu, and a birthday song would disrupt his warmup. That was repeated more than 10 times I think, now that I check back on my profile. I did stress Japanese fans feel this way and that too. I admitted that in my earlier post and said I would refine generalizing fandom opinions next time. But don't say I didn't state why I thought singing during the kiss and cry was inappropriate when my whole profile history has post after post explaining how unfair it would be to the next skater skating after yuzu if we sung the song during kiss and cry. I repeatedly stressed this more than any other claim I made about how Japanese fans feel on the matter. Please check my profile history posts before you say I never said why it was inappropriate. Did you even check my past posts about this? I was very polite the first time, and I agreed, apologized, explained with you and thanked you for your feedback, but now I realize you haven't even read my previous posts regarding this matter. This is what I said previously on the thread. Please go check my profile post history before you say I never stated why it was inappropriate. "The issue of HPB song is not about standing out. It's about the possibility of distracting the next skater warming up during kiss and cry. Yuzu wants to stand out but is equally sensitive to how the next skater feels. Their discomfort is the same as his discomfort. That's why he always makes gestures to the crowd to calm down for the next skater during kiss and cry. He did this for Nam at Skate Canada after his free skate. " I personally like to check out someone's profile and read what they posted, before claiming they never said or implied this or that. It's why a profile history exists. So you can double check what a poster said or has not said, before claiming they did. I also think when someone makes efforts to thank you for your feedback the first time round politely and explain their mistakes, apologize and makes promises to edit and refine their mistakes to you, and states that they will do things differently next time, it is manners to check their profile page and read through what they said, before making a false statement about what they said. It's fandom manners to make equal effort to read over what the poster said previously before going off on another false claim about them. Because literally there is a history page to disprove it. I will also repeat what I said in my previous post to you: yes, over generalizing fandom general opinions or fully translating tweets without context needs to be refined. I don't know why I have to repeat this apology again to you, when I already tried to apologize and end it nicely with you the first time round, and then you suddenly making false claims about what I said.

Imagine what Yuzu could achieve with 1 year of professional ballet training as part of his off-ice training lol. It is probably really just natural talent. I also think looks are really important in figure skating, and I think Yuzu has that balletic "look" and the right long leg and arm proportions that make him look more like a swan on ice than any of the men out there. It also helps he never has to consciously be on a diet all the time because he has good genetics to be forever very slim. I think sometimes life is unfair, and sometimes God gives all the right materials for a person to work with to become a legend in figure skating. And with Yuzu, God really was unfair and gave him all the right start-up materials he needed to become the greatest of all time figure skater. Except, God was like... Maybe if I give everything, it would be too boring, so I'm gonna give him asthma, ISU politics and endless career drama. Haha, sorry to the atheists out there, but I do believe in God, and this is how I see how God created Yuzu lol

I imagine a video of Yuzu finally landing that 4A will get around 10 ~ 15 Million views on twitter, if the pooh rain can get 5 million views in a few days.