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  1. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat
    7 minutes ago, tafattsbarn said:

     

    Worldwide famous Yuzu :nod2:

    Hahah i came here to post this tooxD let me add the last part

     

    Also this

    :LOL:

     

    People sure get bored without him, nhk please come soon!!

     


  2. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    According to this OP, Daniel Grassl saw Yuzuru live in Merano in 2008 - Daniel was 5 yo and Yuzu was 13 yo - and this is what had inspired Daniel to start skating.  

     

     http://pianetahanyu.altervista.org/ポッドキャストkiss&cry-ii第2回(その2)「羽生結弦と/

     


  3. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    The only thing that matters right now. I could cry.

     

     


  4. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat
    1 hour ago, yuzupon said:

    Regarding prerotation might cause injury.

     

    I remember Tracy used to say, back when Yuna Kim tended to fall on her 3F ocassionally, mostly during competition practices, that Yuna tended to pre-rotate her upper body when jumping flip, and that's why she fell on it. Now, when I heard she said that, it was usually right before Yuna jumped the Flip in actual competitions and nailed it. And back then, I did not have the knowledge to even tell jumps apart, so I never look closely into it. But, as Yuna is not known for prerotating, I am guessing it is precisely because and when she didn't prerotate that she could land her flips in competitions.

    So, that's a coach identifying PRing as a cause of a fall, which if happens repeatedly tend to cause injury. Indirect, but still affecting.

     

    And I am always under the impression that the correct techniques are called correct, not only bcz they produce beautiful jumps, but also bcz they are the way to do the jumps properly, i.e. only when adhering to those techniques can you actually do the jumps with minimal, if not no, risk of injuring yourself. 

    Skaters who possess proper techniques, like Yuzu, get injured when, as they are training to achieve those proper techniques, they were not doing some of them properly quite yet.

     

    I know that sounds paradoxical, but idk, that's my understanding anyway. 

     

    I don’t really think this has been studied enough to decisively determine what technique causes more injuries. I’m all for correct technique, but I actually think it has developed based around what’s most beautiful rather than what’s safest. Plainly harmful/dangerous techniques have of course been disallowed/not gained popularity in the first place, but prerotation isn’t that kind of issue. The long term effect on hips and joints isn’t something that really becomes relevant until you’re jumping triples and quads, and the correct techniques were established before that. And while I do think that pre-rotation is more linked to under-rotation, so is delay in rotation, which is basically the opposite, and I haven’t seen anyone argue that that should result in a deduction. 

     

    Additionally, I think it’s hard to say more generally which kind of technique is more difficult, since it probably varies from skater to skater based on personal preference and what kind of basic technique they’ve been taught. Yuzu finds it harder to jump a lutz with pre-rotation than without, but I think Shoma would say the opposite about the 4F. I have a few friends who are doing or used to do figure skating (they’re all from the same rink, so this is basically the worst sample size), and they all learnt their flips and lutzes by starting from the loop and adjusting the toe from there. So I think in some parts of the world there is a notion that the pre-rotated version (often more loop-like) is easier at least as a starting point, but this is far from a general consensus. 

     

    What I think it comes down to is that these six kinds of jumps have specific textbook techniques, and jumping differently means that you haven’t been able to master one of these techniques. That sounds a bit harsh, but going back to the loop-method of learning harder toe jumps: of the people I know who learnt that way, one has a very clean toepick and minimal prerotation for the lutz and flip, while the others don’t. Clearly, she mastered the transition from loop to toe jump much better than the others, so I feel it’s fair to reward her higher than the people who are basically still using loop-technique on lutz jumps. This is basically what Ambesi was talking about at the Olympics, and someone linked to a thread on twitter earlier talking about how a pre-rotated lutz actually doesn’t have the characteristic lutz ice mark, making it more similar to a flutz than anything else. Taking the very obvious example of the toe axel: I have no idea if it’s harmful for the skaters, and while it’s easier to do for the skaters who have this technique issue, I actually think a lot of skaters with proper toe loops would struggle with it. Still, it’s not a toe loop, and the skater is deducted for it because they haven’t mastered (or aren’t displaying that they have mastered) the proper technique. Properly being able to master the very different techniques for the different jumps is hard, and that’s why variety is rewarded. I don’t know if pre-rotation on it’s own is harder or easier, but never learning lutz technique and instead relying on flip/loop technique with different decoration, shouldn’t earn you points for a lutz. 

     

    That being said, I am in no way a professional. This is just my understanding. 


  5. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    Regarding prerotation might cause injury.

     

    I remember Tracy used to say, back when Yuna Kim tended to fall on her 3F ocassionally, mostly during competition practices, that Yuna tended to pre-rotate her upper body when jumping flip, and that's why she fell on it. Now, when I heard she said that, it was usually right before Yuna jumped the Flip in actual competitions and nailed it. And back then, I did not have the knowledge to even tell jumps apart, so I never look closely into it. But, as Yuna is not known for prerotating, I am guessing it is precisely because and when she didn't prerotate that she could land her flips in competitions.

    So, that's a coach identifying PRing as a cause of a fall, which if happens repeatedly tend to cause injury. Indirect, but still affecting.

     

    And I am always under the impression that the correct techniques are called correct, not only bcz they produce beautiful jumps, but also bcz they are the way to do the jumps properly, i.e. only when adhering to those techniques can you actually do the jumps with minimal, if not no, risk of injuring yourself. 

    Skaters who possess proper techniques, like Yuzu, get injured when, as they are training to achieve those proper techniques, they were not doing some of them properly quite yet.

     

    I know that sounds paradoxical, but idk, that's my understanding anyway. 


  6. Team Japan
    Team Japan
    35 minutes ago, Vadrouille said:

    In my humble opinion, Dai and Kana for obvious raisons, they aim to be able to skate ID in the Team event at the Olympics in Beijing 2020 so maybe Team Japan can win a medal in Team event. Even that is quite hard to get to. I can't imagine they pretend to be able to beat all the excellent teams in Ice Dance at the Olympics to be on Olympics Ice Dance podium,  like the French couple Gabrielle/Guillaume, or the American couples, or Russian couples, or even Canadian couples.

    - I always find it strange that Yuzuru is not the favourite skater for JSF, even there is a group of loud and hard haters in Japan who is not shy to speak loudly against him.

    - I always find it strange that Yuzuru is never invited to skate in Japan Open, even after his Sochi gold medal in 2014, even after his second gold medal in Peochang in 2018.

    Japan Open always invite some chosen ones like Dai, Shoma, Mao or Akiko for Japan, for Men singles  there are Abbott, Pluschenko, Lambiel, Patrick, Javier Fernandez. Now they invite also the best American and Russian skaters, like Nathan, Vincent Zhou, Alina Zagitova , Trusova. I am happy for them to get the invitation every year.

    - I also find it strange that Yuzuru was never invited to skate at shows in Japan like The Ice, and other shows like Friends on ice etc...

    Yuzuru has participated in one show The Ice back in 2011 or 2012, then never again. I suppose that once he retires, he has to organize his own ice shows if he wants so skate.

    - I also find it uncomprehensible that JSF can admire, support, appreciate or  invite other skaters champions like Pluschenko, Lambiel

    Patrick, Fernandez or Nathan, but not their own champion Yuzuru.

    Winning 2 Olympics gold medal in 2 consecutive Olympics since Dick Button in 66 years is not big enough for them .

    I am not Japanese, I don't live in Japan so I don't understand a lot of things the JSF is doing.

    Now with your informative posts here, I guess I understand a little bit more of their mentality, but not very much.

     


    This should be asked and answered in general thread in my opinion but I will try:

    1. Unless Yuzuru care and do legal action against those haters, then nobody can shut them, just like how it happens with all public figures in every part of the world.

    2. You talk about Japan Open. It is held around October right? It clashes with important competitions that he choose to concentrate in: GPS and GPF. So even if they invite him, it is more likely that he will not attend. And how do we know that they don't invite him?
    3. He appears in almost all Ice Shows in 2014 and 2015 until it was revealed in 2016 that he suffered from lisfranc injury which prevented him from attending any shows in 2016, and then there was an agreement between all party involved that he would limit his ice shows appearance. 
    4. The thing is, Yuzuru is being backed by a person who was defeated in a faction/political war in JSF (Shirota), cmiiw. According to Shirota, she was one of the main reason of Yuzuru's success, she was his supporter all the way, and furthermore she was involved in moving him to Toronto, and even now she is still supporting him through ANA. Yuzuru's presence and success all happen outside of the current JSF management influence, while the athletes that they sponsor, none has achieved such unrivalled consistency: Yuzuru always get gold and silver in allll competition he is ever involved in since the start of 2013-2014 season. In many ways, this imply that the current JSF management is incompetent compare to Shirota's management (because it is under her management Shizuka Arakawa become gold medalist in Olympic 2006). Shirota is known for her talent development camp but she got involved in embezzlement scandal by ex-president of JSF at that time.

     

    Moreover, you should know that Yuzuru does not have best of health compare to other athletes, to the point that he got influenza just before JNats 2016, and then asthma attack 2 weeks before WC 2017. Furthermore, the reason for his fall just before NHK Trophy 2017 is because he caught fever and force himself to practice for NHK Trophy 2017. So it is more likely that his team tries to limit the competition and show that he attends so he can maintain good health for the important competitions that will count toward his World Ranking.


  7. General Skating Chat
    General Skating Chat

    I have been wondering about this for quite a while now, and it is probably nothing, but I am throwing it out there anyway.

     

    For context, the only other sport I follow even more religiously than FS is Badminton.

    • In 2012 London Oly, the Chinese team swept all golds in the 5 disciplines, and basically won half of the medals contended. (Now, the Badminton event that Oly was full of scandals, but this is rather separate).
    • That 'domination' led to IOC warning BWF (the badminton governing body) that if they do not do something to make sure that more countries can compete at the highest level, Badminton is in danger of being left out of the Olympics (it has not been a part of Oly for that long, only since 1992).
    • In response, BWF revamped the way the grand prix events are being organised, open a Youtube channel airing matches live (from quarterfinal onward, usually), started to employ Hawk-Eye's SMART Replay and establish a procedure for players to ask for review against certain calls on court, altered the service judging procedure, started tournaments for para-athletes, and get their social media more involved. In other words, they pull themselves together. (Some of their efforts was a miss, like trying to make badminton outdoor-friendly - the shuttlecocks are made of feathers, you can imagine how well you can control it against the open-air wind. But they do many things, so some of those things, well, hit).
    • In Rio 2016, China still won 2 gold medals, but the remaining 3 were earned by other countries (Spain even got their 1st ever Oly Badminton gold), and the other-colour medals were more distributed. Of course, all those other countries also did their part in upping the levels of their athletes, but BWF has been credited for the rise in the level of playing and accessibility of the sport they govern.

    I know that the Russian domination of FS is only obvious in the Ladies. Although we could make the case for Pairs, and Junior Men as well.

    I have little against the Russian athletes (a bit on how they manoeuvre the rulebook, tho) , and little against the West seeming domination on the sport (again, a bit on how they politick for it), as I arrived at the sport with that as the status-quo. But it cannot be healthy for any sport to be centred to a handful of countries like this, and especially not when its powers that be, not only let it happen but also rather actively facilitate it.

     

    So, I wonder, if the trend continues, and only 1-2 countries *cough* dominate FS in 2022 (knock on every wooden surface), will ISU get the same warning as BWF did, so that they can finally pull themselves together?

    Or was Badminton a totally different case, since the sport is 1) Asian - as opposed to western -  dominated, 2) much more objective than FS, 3) much more, shall we say, plebeian, than FS 4) a summer Oly sport that is supposed to be more accessible than the winter sports?

     

    I remembered the same thing happened in speed skating, where the Dutch team basically turned Sochi 2014 into their national championship. Did ISU get reprimanded by IOC then? The Dutch no longer had the same domination in PC 2018, so... But then, Speed Skating is, like Badminton, much more objective than FS.

     

    ... So, Idk... Like I said, it's probably nothing.


  8. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    Zakaryan was interviewed about his “innovation of the gala” - it can be found here. https://rsport.ria.ru/20191028/1560262138.html

     

    the quote concerning Yuzu is this

    Spoiler

    Очень опасная ситуация, как бы странно это ни прозвучало, складывается в Японии. И мне как бизнесмену очень хочется, чтобы Юдзуру Ханю катался максимально долго. 

    - Боюсь, что не совсем понимаю вашу мысль. Не станете же вы утверждать, что японское фигурное катание клином сходится на одном Ханю?

    - Я просто приведу пример. Когда Юдзуру прилетает в Россию на этап Гран-при, по моим данным, около пяти тысяч японских фанатов прилетают следом за ним из Японии. Хотя мне говорили, что это даже несколько заниженная цифра. Эти люди бронируют отели, покупают билеты, нанимают за свои деньги переводчиков на почасовую оплату… Никакой другой японский спортсмен такой коммерческой популярностью у болельщиков не пользуется и никогда не пользовался. Даже Мао Асада. Это, собственно, и есть ответ на вопрос, который вы мне сейчас задали. Поэтому очень желаю Юдзуру Ханю здоровья и процветания. На это молятся все шоу-менеджеры миры. На Ханю и на Японию.

    Translated shortly: he thinks figure skating in Japan might get less popular, so he want Yuzuru Hanyu to stay in the sport as long as possible. When Yuzu get Rostelecom Cup GP, around 5000 Japanese (sic) fans come after him - though that figure might be even bigger. They book hotels, buy tickets, hire interpreters... No other Japanese athlete has and has ever had the same commercial popularity with fans. Not even Mao Asada. That’s why he wants Yuzu to stay healthy and prospering. He’s worshipped by all show managers of the world, him and Japan


  9. Oct. 28, 2019 Yuzuru Hanyu Sponichi Interview 😎
    Oct. 28, 2019 Yuzuru Hanyu Sponichi Interview 😎
    22 分, shanshaniさんが言いました:

    Could it possibly mean it isn't suitable for him to jump the 4Lz that way? That seems like it would fit the context too (although, alas, it's significantly less spicy)

     

    Sorry, I realized my translation above could be confusing! I should’ve said:

     

         It(=my method) might not be the (suitable) way of jumping a lutz when going for a 4lz.

     

    Meaning his way is too difficult for jumping a 4lz. Because he was talking about his lutz before this, and the word なかなか implies something is difficult.


  10. Oct. 28, 2019 Yuzuru Hanyu Sponichi Interview 😎
    Oct. 28, 2019 Yuzuru Hanyu Sponichi Interview 😎

    Sum up main points of his interview:

    Yup, the boy just won SC so not afraid of anything anymore :winky:. He said "TAKE IT ISU"  :darklordyuzu:


  11. Oct. 28, 2019 Yuzuru Hanyu Sponichi Interview 😎
    Oct. 28, 2019 Yuzuru Hanyu Sponichi Interview 😎
    1 hour ago, WinForPooh said:

    Our boy snapped but in the most respectful way.

     

     
     
     

    For some reason when I click the link it says the page doesn't exist, but I still found the tweet. I'm going to try to render it in more idiomatic English because I found the translation a little hard to understand and want to be clear whether I'm understanding it correctly. Just going to do the parts about jump tech. I'm doing some guesswork here as to what the translation means, so don't take this as authoritative or anything. It's also not at all going to be a close translation of Yuzu's words.

     

    So:

     

    Interviewer: How much of the "things that only I have" that you mentioned before the competition have you shown?

     

    Yuzu: I thought to myself that those were what I could rely on in competition but I still felt that I had to gradually pursue harder jumps. I've been practicing with the thought that those jumps are necessary. The axel, and the lutz too. This competition was one where I felt that I didn't have to upgrade my difficulty, that I could rely on my old weapons, which was good. Increased difficulty has an impact on the health of all skaters. Of course, the 4Lz is very difficult, but it's possible that everyone may be able to jump it, if they want to. It also depends on the type of skater. In my case, no matter how hard I practice, I can't pre-rotate it. It wasn't taught that way when I was young. Gradually, the 4Lz might stop being a lutz jump. But at the same time, each skater is different and has their own way of jumping. But I think the current situation is that the scores are tilted towards more difficult jumps, and the balance with PCS has been thrown off. On the other hand, I think that this time I showed that I could perform the music even with my jumps, which is good. Especially the last 4Teu3F. I did a difficult jump combo while matching the music well. I think my weapon is that I can express the music even with difficult jumps, but I think it could be appreciated more. I'm sorry I talked too much *laughs*

     

    Interviewer: so would you like to create another form of competition?

     

    Yuzu: It's not like that. I've been wondering if the approach I'm taking is truly right or wrong. Whether getting to a standstill position and prerotating might be the right way to jump. Another example is, I've always had a lot of doubts that jumps done from difficult steps are given credit for that. Since the start of this season, I placed high importance on that. I thought, I've been skating a long time, and that was my weapon. It was good it was appreciated this time, which helps reassure me. I believe I must keep doing such things in the future when I add the Lutz or the Axel.

    the main thing is what "rotating down below" means. I can't really think of anything it could mean but prerotation

     


  12. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    Thank you Tsuzuki-sensei!

     

     

     

     


  13. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat
    1 hour ago, kaeryth said:

     

     

     

    OP said the hotel should pay 10% commission to Yuzu on the income that they've made from Hanyuconomy. Also not sure if it's true but the OP suggested that they had to upgrade the airplanes from small propeller ones to bigger ones for the flights to Kelowna. 
     

     


  14. Nobunari Oda resigns as coach from Kansai University due to "moral harassment"
    Nobunari Oda resigns as coach from Kansai University due to "moral harassment"
    5 hours ago, yuzuangel said:

    Slight digression, but what is this? Were old tweets from Oda being brought up again recently?

     

     

     

     

    Do you remember the news about the job ad recruiting part-timer to slander Yuzu? Nobu was the only one among sempais who retweeted and shared the article. No one else said anything or showed any interest in that matter. It was somewhat understandable since the advertiser was stating in that ad that they were doing so to support other skaters naming specific names, so sharing the info could cause them trouble, and it wasn't clear if they had anything to do with the advertiser. But Japanese fans were somewhat saddened by that and Nobu was the only one who gave us some hope.
    Nobu was also the only Japanese skater who reacted to this picture and worried about Yuzu not being there. 
    Nobu is seen as a sunny, sweet person, but he is also strong-minded and often speaks up when no one else does.
    This time, he is in a difficult situation, but he has to fight alone since he doesn't have Nobu, so we are worried and think of how Nobu has been kind and strong.

     

    Rest is a loooong rant.

    Spoiler

    I don't know how I can express my feelings about this.
    I've been mad and sad about this news all day. I knew something was wrong since when I read the news of his resignation. Nobu referred to the source simply as "the article" in his English comment, but there were a few articles reported news, and the one I read was an article published by a community news site run by Kansai University itself.  Their article was the only one which had a direct quote from the university's representative. While they reported in the article that Nobu and the university had been discussing the matter, in the title, they used an expression "電撃退任" which implies that Nobu's resignation was a bolt from the blue. I felt weird when I read it and suspected that they might want to make Nobu look like a bad guy, who suddenly abandoned his job for his convenience, and I was probably right.

     

    How could they treat him this way after making him work for them for two years without paying salary? Director of their skating club wasn't an honorary position. He actually spent hours on their ice to coach their students and attended small competitions while doing many other jobs. He has been working hard to maintain (and enhance) his skills, and it is not just to challenge himself but to be able to teach the correct technique to his students. He is very sincere when he commentates because his students may watch and learn from it. How could they say that he resigned because he prioritized other things over coaching?

     

    And what irritates me most is that this isn't the first time Nobu received unfair treatment. At NHK 2013, he got held down in SP by selective calls, just like Yuzu at ACI this year, and in that competition, the tech panel helped his teammate at Kansai Univ instead of his rivals from other countries. Of course, JSF didn't say anything even though experienced commentators like Takeshi Honda and Minoru Sano said it was misjudging. This judging, in the end, affected Olympic team selection since Nobu and the other Japanese skater earned season's best scores there, which was one of the selection criteria.

     

    The unfair judging also affected the other skater hugely, in a bad way. He got so many antis overnight because of the judging. People suspected that he received special treatment. Sochi team selection and the kiss deepen such suspicion and that disgraced him and made it difficult for his fans to accept the way he ended his competitive career (once) So, the unfair treatment is one of the causes of the current situation around Yuzu and antis as well.

     

    I don't know why Hashimoto and co don't learn from what happened in the past and stop making new mistakes. In the end, they aren't helping their favorite either. They are just nipping off the buds of beautiful flowers and overwatering their favorite flowers until they got rotten. I am sick of seeing this situation.

     


  15. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

     

    The way he continues to be a symbol of strength and perserverance to people affected by adverse situations is incredible. I hope everyone in the damaged areas manages to recover effectively with time and resources invested :tumblr_inline_nhkf04zUM41qid2nw: 


  16. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    This new tag is about pecs?

    Anyway, Yuzu looks beautiful on the pic! :girlsigh:


  17. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    tumblr_pzdh3eTNgx1rojh56o1_1280.jpg

     

    Source

     

    Yuzu looks so cute and adorable! :girlsigh:

     

    This healed my trauma from seeing the green-thingy-that-shall-not-be-mentioned. :biggrin:


  18. General Yuzuru Chat
    General Yuzuru Chat

    Some serious Yuzu fangirling and fanboying going on. :nod2:


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