Ice skating FAQ and introductions for new fans

meoima · July 14, 2017

6 minutes ago, katonice said:

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I was watching Skate America 2016 and looking at the protocols,

and I was puzzled about Nam Nguyen's invalidated CSSp in his short program.

Why was it considered invalid? He seemed to have met the minimum number of rotations on both feet.

I thought he hit the positions okay too (or maybe judges thought differently?).

Is there something I didn't notice?

Do you mean this performance?

katonice · July 14, 2017

Just now, meoima said:

Do you mean this performance?

Yes, that's the one. His last spin towards the end received no marks according to the protocols.

Was trying to understand why that was so.

meoima · July 14, 2017

This post make it easy to understand about turns and steps: http://the-real-xmonster.tumblr.com/post/162905929409/turns-and-steps-explained-12

meoima · July 14, 2017

42 minutes ago, katonice said:

Yes, that's the one. His last spin towards the end received no marks according to the protocols.

Was trying to understand why that was so.

He did not have at least 2 continuous revolutions in a basic position. Tech specialist ONLY starts counting when he is in the position. But Nam did not settle down in the first basic position which was the sideway sit spin. He might thought he did enough revolutions but they did not count his first 2 revolutions as his body was not in the proper sit position. In the last revolution he moved up his body, thus the position was not counted.

katonice · July 14, 2017

29 minutes ago, meoima said:

He did not have at least 2 continuous revolutions in a basic position. Tech specialist ONLY starts counting when he is in the position. But Nam did not settle down in the first basic position which was the sideway sit spin. He might thought he did enough revolutions but they did not count his first 2 revolutions as his body was not in the proper sit position. In the last revolution he moved up his body, thus the position was not counted.

Looking at it now, yeah the first forward sit spin didn't get 2 revolutions.

But I thought with the sideways sit spin he was able to achieve 3 revolutions, or a little bit over 2 if I wanted to be strict about it.

I guess I started counting sooner than the judges lol.

ETA: Also, let's say he wasn't given credit for the first forward sit spin position, and he achieved a (maybe doubtful) 2 revolutions for the sideways sit, does that mean he also didn't meet the minimum 3 revolutions before and after the change of foot? In practical terms, he did spin more than 3 times on the first foot, but just didn't receive the feature on the first spin.

meoima · July 14, 2017

5 hours ago, katonice said:

Looking at it now, yeah the first forward sit spin didn't get 2 revolutions.

But I thought with the sideways sit spin he was able to achieve 3 revolutions, or a little bit over 2 if I wanted to be strict about it.

I guess I started counting sooner than the judges lol.

ETA: Also, let's say he wasn't given credit for the first forward sit spin position, and he achieved a (maybe doubtful) 2 revolutions for the sideways sit, does that mean he also didn't meet the minimum 3 revolutions before and after the change of foot? In practical terms, he did spin more than 3 times on the first foot, but just didn't receive the feature on the first spin.

Because it's a SP and spin in one position with change of foot is compulsory. His position after he changed his foot was not counted, his skating thigh was not achieving required level... It means that after change of foot spin has not been counted because no basic position was achieved. Furthermore because spin with change of foot is compulsory in SP the whole spin was washed out

yuzupon · July 20, 2017

On 7/14/2017 at 4:40 AM, meoima said:

This post make it easy to understand about turns and steps: http://the-real-xmonster.tumblr.com/post/162905929409/turns-and-steps-explained-12

This is the 2nd part.

It will take me quite sometimes to learn those (it took me years to be able to recognise jumps and spins, and those are more obvious), but the 2 posts are very helpful.