Salior

Thank you!  

His name in Russian is Юдзуру Ханю. Really curious how cyrillic alphabet works sometimes. 

8 hours ago, micaelis said:

When dealing with Yuzu and his programs and his creation of his programs I am beginning to articulate in my mind exactly what Yuzu has become over these last several seasons.  It began with Seimei, which most commentators got wrong thinking Abe no Seimei was a samurai warrior.  Actually he was an astronomer and a spiritual advisor to a number of high-ranked officials, including at least one emperor.  After his death a great number of tales started being created about him so that today Seimei is an historical figure whose life has become the basis of a large body of mythical adventures.  I haven't been able to get into any great detail of exactly what kind of figure he is today, not knowing any Japanese, but I think if we were looking for a Western counterpart King Arthur's spiritual adviser Merlin would fill the bill.  What struck me right from the first time I saw Yuzu's Seimei was its tone, its aura, you might say.  Yuzu seemed not to be skating but contemplating and mirroring that contemplation through his actions. 

 

When comparing Seimei with his earlier programs I could see that while there was still drama in them, drama we had seen to great effect in RJ1 and POTO most notably, Seimei had a serenity about it that seemed to me a clear departure from Yuzu's earlier competitive programs.  That feeling was reinforced with Hope and Legacy.  Again there is a serenity in the program that indicates that Yuzu seems to be approaching his programs from an angle that appears to me to be quite revolutionary from normal figure-skating practice.  His two programs for this season, particularly Origin, simply reinforced my sense that Yuzu is moving in a direction that both extends what skating can do interpretively (although a skater would have to have the essential mindset of Yuzu to truly duplicate it) but what it can do spiritually.  Looking at his two programs for this season I have no trouble in thinking they are not interpretations but meditations.  In that sense Yuzu is doing something that is in certain ways quite revolutionary for figure skating, making his programs into spiritual journeys.  And unlike Misha Ge and Jason Brown, who seem to be following a similar aesthetic although not nearly as intense, Yuzu is able to incorporate the more difficult elements of figure skating without losing the flow and the integrity of the overall program.  

He said he incorporated the concept of "wa" in his program, for both SEIMEI and Hope & Legacy, that's why it feels different from others. Theres a very long topic / discussion about this on Youtube I think, in vids of the creation of SEIMEI / Hopulega, also he mentioned it a bit after the olympics with Shuzo Matsuoka. 

25 minutes ago, shanshani said:

I hope it's ok if I repost this here--this thread has more readers than General Skate Chat and it's of general Yuzuru-related interest as well:

I've been compiling judge's scores for some of the competitions this season (the ambition is to do it for all senior international competitions and maybe even some junior competitions, but it's a slow and tedious process) and running some numbers in order to determine how the judges scored various skaters relative to other skaters and particularly whether they overscored skaters from their own country versus skaters from other countries. I first calculated how much a judge's scores different from that of their fellow judges (that's the first table of numbers you see--eg. -11 means 11 points lower than other judges).  From this, I calculate a value (which I have temporarily named "DELTA") which indicates how much more favorably a judge judged skaters from their country versus skaters from other countries--a delta of 5 in total score means that a judge scored their own skaters 5 points higher than how they scored other skaters, adjusted for the average score the skater got from the other judges. Anyway, I've done this with 3 competitions so far (Autumn Classic, Ondrej Nepala, and GP Helsinki), which is enough that I thought some of you might be interested in seeing the results (after all, some of the judges who judged there are judging upcoming competitions).  I did the whole competition at each event, so you can see the scoring for each discipline (scroll to the right) and I also looked at raw GOE and PCS in addition to point total.

Autumn Classic

Ondrej Nepala
GP Finland
(working on Skate America now)

These spreadsheet also show how much higher or lower a particular judge judged a particular skater, so I think it's also useful if you want to take a look at how some judges score particular skaters. Also, it shows the average amount a judge deviated from the rest of the judging panel, so you can also tell which judges are harsher and which are nicer. At some point I want to compile all the data so that it's sorted by judge so you can look at their judging record across competitions this season as a whole, but there's still so much work to do and I have a job and other hobbies

Which leads me to my next question--would anyone be interested in helping? I have templates for all the formulas, so all you have to do is go to the "protocols" page and copy numbers from skatingscores.com into the relevant boxes. It's a little tedious, but you can do it while watching tv and it would be immensely useful hopefully not just for me but also for the figure skating community to get a better sense of judges and judging. (Alternately, if anyone knows how to program a web scraper, that would make life so much easier for me)

Points of interest as it relates to Yuzu in particular:
GP Finland men's judging was pretty dodgy overall--4/9 judges had some pretty strong nationalistic bias numbers, including the Japanese judge Yoshioka (Yuzu finally benefits from biased judging!--lol. Actually the ACI Japanese judge Ando was also pretty pro-Yuzu). In a reversal of the usual order of things (most US judges are terrible), US judge Wendy Enzmann was actually harsher on US skaters than other skaters on average in men's. But among all the judges I've been paying attention to, she's actually probably the fairest and least biased.

Odhran Allen, the Irish judge everyone was complaining about at ACI for giving Yuzu only +1 on his 3A in the short is a super harsh judge overall.
On the other hand, Doug Williams, the US judge at ACI mostly gave pretty average scores, except he had it in for four men: Yuzu, Junhwan, Julian Yee, and Yamato Rowe from the Philippines (and also loved the Dodd brothers for some reason.) scoring them 10 points or more below the other judges.
 

try skatingscores.com, their database should help a lot.

Here's the ACI scores by judges for SP and FS

Does anyone have a better version of this video? Where Yuzu went completely crazy singing during warmup in 2015 

And I am very sure there's an Eng sub of this video somewhere on Youtube, but I couldn't find it for now. Will be grateful if someone can point it out, I'm writing a post about Yuzu's music

8 hours ago, WinForPooh said:

Oh, and I think I've seen practice clip of Artur Dmitriev's 4A that's not as bad as the one in competition? I don't remember where I saw it tbh I think it was when I was stumbling through a Russian forum, no I don't understand Russian. Not rotated but not as badly UR as that one in competition. There's definitely never been a clip of him fully rotating it, it would've made it out onto English forums for sure. But he is further along on it than that competition clip shows. I think he's been working on it for years. 

Well it's one thing to land it in practice as a solo jump, and another to have it good enough to land in competition with choreography and stuff. I mean Yuzu's been doing fully rotated 4S+3A, 4T+3A+3A and 4Lo+3A in galas since 2012-15 but he probably doesn't have the stamina to pull it off during competition. 

2 hours ago, ralucutzagy said:

New themes are looking awesome!!  Thank you very much!! 

The new default picture makes me want to remove mine haha, it's so pretty! 

11 minutes ago, yuzuangel said:

Well, if you pause at the right time, you can see that he was about 270 degree underrotated on that, which is probably also why he had a bad fall. So it wasn't really very close. 

Thank you. Took me a lot of squinting to figure out how much underrotated he was, and my fingers aren't that fast rip. 

19 minutes ago, kelly said:

Was it a transcrition error? The translation says that he tends to skip 4CC, not intends?

My bad. Guess 72 hours of nonstop Yuzu content got me. 

If our axel overlord Yuzu has 5% completion of 4A, Idk if anyone else can come close to that. 

IMO the biggest problem is the height, I saw Dima's attempts, and in all of them, he could not get enough height to come anywhere close to even 4 revolutions? (edit: seems like he is 270 degrees underrotated). Like he's still mid-rotation when both his feet hit the ice, imagine doing a quad where the ice needs to be 20cm below surface level for you to land it, that's my impression of his 4A. 

Here's his last attempt https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1718/cor1718/MMC__Scores.pdf he's no. 5 

Here's the video (click next) 

3 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

 

I don’t know whether ISU has rules about it or not but it certainly isn’t the only time the ice has been less than optimal.  GPF 2016 in Marseilles it was very soft - WC 2016 in Boston too iirc.  Given that these are rinks being made/ used solely for figure skating there’s no reason for ice not to be absolutely right.  At the Olympics the rink was being used alternately by speed skating and fs so there was more of an excuse for problems - though I think there it was the speed skaters who found it too hard?  Can’t remember properly - soft for ss, harder for fs, hard for ih?   Or the other was round    something like that anyway....

the only excuse I could think of for Helsinki is that they made the rink in a rush, apparently you have to spray water on ice for 1mm, let it harden, then do it again till it hits 5cm.

GPF Marseilles was just bad planning in general lol, should see the list of mishaps haha. 

From here I read that the ice conditions made it difficult to implement edge jumps. Does anyone knows what this means? Too rough? Rink creation too rushed? Impurities? What's so special about edge jumps for the conditions to affect it? Just wondering if anyone who skates can illustrate the situation. 

Also why though. Like I thought they have a standard to meet for the ice, seems unfair that the ice made so many ladies fall during their event. 

A more complete translation is out now.

Some excerpts 

Yuzuru will likely attempt 4A at the World Championships 

“At ACI, Yuzuru won the competition, but he didn’t skate well. This set a fire to his motivation to achieve clean skates and win, so he’s put aside 4A for now. Now he needs to prepare for CoR in 2 weeks, followed by GPF, and Japanese Nationals. He will resume training for 4A in January 2019. 

He says his 4A is at 5% of what it needs to be. ‘If I can get it up to 20%, maybe I can do it.’ 

The author thinks that since Hanyu intends tends to skip 4CC, it’s likely that he will attempt the 4A at World Championships. There will be enough time to prepare for this competition, which is an appropriate stage to attempt this jump that nobody has landed.” 

Also: maximum kuyashii --> 

2 minutes ago, Maleko said:

Poor Yuzu now he has another thing to worry about it   

 

Source

He doesn't need to haha, i can't get over how out of all people, he specifically chose the top 2 medalist of men's pair skating to lift him up! (shows that he paid attention too lol I wouldn't have remembered) As long as it's not Han Cong (sorry the height, only Wenjing for you) he just needs to pay attention to who won lmao. 

perks of being a Yuzu fan, everyone immediately knows what you want 

16 minutes ago, robin said:

Btw, I think I missed this but, did Yuzu go back to Canada for like one and a half weeks?

Need to ask the fan who shared a plane with him haha. 

I heard that people were surprised to find him on an intra-EU plane so it's either transit or he found a place to stay over for a while. Knowing how he usually arrives 1 day before official practice (and get sick from plane / dirty hotels lol) he really might've went back. 

idk why don't he arrive at the venue earlier though, like that fever in NHK 2017 costed so much. Not sure if he got that before or after travel though

11 minutes ago, Sammie said:

 

Countdown already ? 

dammit so fast, I was hoping it'd be after my exams. should've checked earlier

On 11/6/2018 at 5:49 AM, MarthEmblem said:

To bring the topic to a more positive note, I don't know if anybody posted this or if this is the right place to post it, but fans figured out what song Yuzu was singing along to before the FS 6 min warm up!

 

The band even noticed and is really excited too! They've tweeted quite a bit about it but the main account retweeted individual reaction and tweeted some more stuff. So if you wanted to check those out, the band's Twitter is right here!: https://twitter.com/R_Toy_World 

I quite like Yuzu's music taste tbh. I tried to compile a list of Yuzu's favourite music from what he indicated in the 2011? fan form and various interviews, now I have a new addition haha

Just now, Ferrer said:

This is so true for all of us here 

I have spent 72 hours on Yuzu content and I'm not done yet, there so many photos on twitter. Even the 1 month from ACI felt like a drought lol 

1 hour ago, Hydroblade said:

Guys, just a reminder that calling out people from other platforms (and/or starting witch hunts) isn't allowed in our rules.

I know it's terrible to see the kind of lies that antis and other people say about Yuzu but there's not much we can do.

Engaging is rarely the solution, it's kind of hard to win arguments on the internet anyway, so let's try to not bring a lot of attention to those posts.

 

 

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 is there anything we can do then? it must hurt reading the comments with no one defending you... 

 

for me I just always seem to be totally unaware of bad things said about me, until like maybe 10 years later by chance. That being said I'm not a "feeling" type of MBTI person so I can't imagine the strong emotions that Yuzu could feel on some issues. 

 

I don't know how big things were back during CiONTU for him to feel that terrible... people kept saying that he's fine now, that we should focus on the positive things, but for him to reveal that small part about him, there's likely a lot that he was suffering behind closed doors for him to do that... For him to throw around words like "death/disappear" on live TV, he must've reached some breaking point that he didn't tell us... even though he's trying so hard to be positive and all...

 

I'm not needlessly worrying about him, I still feel happy that he's happy recently, it's just something that I thought is important and not be swept under the carpet because he wanted to be a person that brings positive energy and said he's fine. Because I've faced different challenges to reach that kind of mental state he's hinting at and I'm not even an emotional type of person, and people telling you to ignore them / be optimistic / things will be better / I believe you can do it doesn't help the situation at all. It's exhausting to deal with negative things, but it's more terrifying to have no one seeming to understand why you're so worked up over something. I'm glad that he is more mature than most, and that he treasures his friendship with Misha and all, but sometimes I thought how alone he must feel in certain situations... I get that these hatred are systemic and we as individuals will be difficult to make a change, if at all, but still...

 

I kept wondering why did he keep reading those stuff if things were that bad? Or did people just mention it to him?

 

I feel that I'll never truly appreciate the extent of challenges famous people face rip. 

 

I wrote too long to give up now. I'll just leave it there, need to get it off my chest. Sorry to admins for trouble, I won't bring them in again. 

apologies for bringing such a sad topic here, have a soft yuzu 

why does this remind me so much of pooh's head sticking out under his arm 

3 hours ago, makebelieveup said:

[Admin edit: Please don't generalize groups of FS fans.] I suggest we not care much about them. They really put Yuzu on idol level scrutiny when we all know he sees himself as an athlete foremost. He cares most about his country and how he can win for them so I dont really think he will be upset that the korean community hates him..I read a lot of worse hate about him by the korean fans before so this isnt all that surprising. I wouldnt be surprised if they think he bullies Jun

Idk... IMO the worst can happen is selective information, where people who don't know anything believes it because there's no one to disprove the false info, and that's all they hear...  It feels like we're turning our backs to obvious cyber bullying that perpetuates to even more people who might embrace and spread it. I mean if it happens word to word in real life, it's not like the victim will not suffer if we do not give attention to false info that gets more and more believers right... 

If anyone can speak Korean, please help 

Anyone has a video of when Yuzu hugged Junhwan during the victory ceremony? I need to see it in motion haha 

not again