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Lol. The spotlight isn't undeserving. It's not like the entry's all about him and he *is* one of the foremost skaters that depend almost entirely on his arsenal of quads to be as competitively high up as he is (enough to give well-rounded skaters with quad juice themselves--like hanyu and fernandez--a run for their money after all). So not mentioning him when the entire entry is about quads would seem avoidant... And sides, they mentioned him alongside everyone else who drove the revolution forward. I don't see a problem here at all. @Coquelicot: I can't seem to find the comment section on my phone. Is it only viewable via PC?

#1 is up. It's not anti-climactic. I'm good with it being where it is because it is the biggest thing that led to other big things. It's weird that they have W&D in the main pic but no mention of them anywhere, tho...or maybe there was and I just didn't read closely enough. I admit I only skimmed through a lot of the entries...

Sorry for dredging this back up but I feel like I needed to respond to this. If you recall, I mentioned a couple of times that I already got this vibe and the perception that he's an alpha-type from him the first time I laid eyes on him back when I knew absolutely nothing about him and was still very uneducated about the sport, to the extent I (shamefully) bought into the popular view of it and thought male figure skating was a weird sport for any self-respecting straight male to choose as a career, and his appearance and behavior, for all intents and purposes, shouldn't have convinced me otherwise but it did because that's what my gut feeling told me. And having followed him since, he has yet to prove it wrong. I don't usually have a lot of gut reaction to people I see whether it's in real life or through a screen but the rare times I did, I've never been wrong. Yet. I'm coming from a primal/base instinct place here which is why I'm standing so firm on this. I don't need to know the guy personally to feel this way. So, while I get what you're trying to say here, I'll thank you to not assume that I'm simply assuming things based on superficial observation. Because it's rather far from it. In fact, I think there's more assumption going on with what you're suggesting. Since I know nothing about his private life, I'm not even going to think and wonder about it so much as to assume that it's so different from what he shows the world that it garners the assumption that he may in fact behave a lot less like the dude's dude (remember I'm saying this despite having witnessed his more effeminate tendencies numerous times) we always see. Because if that's true, he's gotta be the world's best actor and the most two-faced athlete there ever was. You may not mean to imply that by saying what you did, I'm sure you meant well actually, but that's what I'm hearing anyway. He's been consistently showing us what we have all seen and unless he's given us a reason to think otherwise, there's no reason to believe that his private self is so different, it may as well be a 180. The possibility of that, well, I won't say is zero but it just makes so little sense to me. However he behaves privately, if--heaven forbid--it ever comes to light and it's different from what we see (like, I dunno, if he suddenly reveals he really enjoys crossdressing or something), I'm still pretty confident I won't think him less of the male I already now see him as. I mean, that's just the way I see it. If you view it differently, that's entirely your prerogative. Re: GP assigments There were so much talk of Sc and nHK, for a few moments, I actually entertained the notion that he may very well end up going to the then-homeless GP and whatever 2nd GP that would be most suitable in relation to it and the GPF...which ofc left only RC. But then dismissed it almost as soon as it finished forming cos I was thinking that Japan would probably really want him skating at home despite the high chances of pitting him and uno against one another. Now I wish I had given that thought more of a chance so that I can feel smug now. But alas, I decided to go with the masses ultimately >_<. Useless factoid: I don't keep track of my post count but happened to come aross it yesterday when I was rummaging around for an older post I wrote and saw that I had exactly 666 posts right before this one. I had every intention to keep it that way for as long as I could and well, you can see for yourself how well I did. I think I also harbored the intention to contribute more one-liner posts at one point but that turned to dust almost as soon as I announced it. I'm sorry I'm so bad at foruming...

I associate it with the former, although I'm aware that it also means the latter. I use the term while fully aware of both its meanings but I found the original definition so painfully accurate despite other terms I could use, I decided to chance it and stick to it. :))

By traditional and established concepts, yeah, for the sake of keeping things simple and tidy to establish an order, which I believe is really just a base from which we build on as society continues to evolve, and not a final outcome to be imposed on any and all situations. So this in no way means that each of the two don't have elements of the other because they almost always do.

Even after looking up the definition in dictionaries, at the end of the day, I feel the definition of fey is still something that is open to interpretation. I don't think I'm wrong to find Hanyu's skating style fey. But I also don't think those who find Weir's style more suitable for the term wrong either, even though his style doesn't particularly fit my notion of the term. And I'm aware that gender identification isn't something quite so simple for some but as far as Hanyu goes, he's pretty firmly in the male territory. * And even though I get that this may rub some the wrong way--though given the topic at hand I'm not sure why it would, not everything has to be gray--I'm not stating this as an opinion. He's so firmly a dude's dude, I genuinely don't think it really garners this whole debate of gender identity. Which is always complicated and sensitive. I really don't think it has much to do with Hanyu himself. His orientation has absolutely no bearing on what's being discussed here and would only serve to derail the topic at hand so let's not bring that into the discussion. Not that it's even up for one since that is entirely his own business. I think he's hopelessly attracted to electronics and a complete slut for audio devices and their peripherals and that is the extent of my thoughts about that particular topic. *This is different from what I was talking about earlier regarding my perception of him as an alpha-type. That one remains my perception. But the male bit, that one I'm stating as fact because it's really pretty darn obvious.

Hmmm...because I don't deny that those who were debating had some interesting points, I'm going to actually start one: Cultural differences aside, I'm in fact very puzzled as to why some people here are so resistant and uncomfortable about the idea of Hanyu being conformed as male because that's very clearly what he is, *despite* all the softness he has that coexists with the steel that is his core. It's making me think that these people are the ones trapped in the very box they are trying so hard to not be in. What's wrong with calling a spade a spade? Why does him identifying as a masculine male and him having a soft side have to be mutually exclusive?Just because he has a soft side to him doesn't have to mean he is somewhere in between. Femininity doesn't belong only to females, just as masculinity doesn't belong solely to males. I get that you're trying not to label the guy but don't you see that that's just another way of labeling someone? *scratches head* Thing is, if you're merely talking about his more delicate programs and feathery skating style, then I get it, but if you're talking about his overall personality, that's where I'm stumped. I mean you've seen the way the guy carries himself most of the time. The guy is physically male and carries himself like one. Just because he turns soft and cutesy sometimes, why is he suddenly neither the way Weir seems to be neither? He walks and talks like a pretty typical dude most of the time. And I'm stating this as fact. Even his cutesiness doesn't necessarily have to be a feminine trait. It simply comes across as child-like to me, and doesn't necessarily conform to one gender. And why do people automatically jump to the conclusion that I'm discounting dominant females when I was simply talking about Hanyu coming across as an unmistakably dominant male to me? What has one got to do with another? I am genuinely curious. Yes, this time, I'm actually asking for it so for those who wish to discuss the issue, have at it. =D

My interpretation of everything else you said is in line with this but the last bit, based on your word choice, suddenly took on a distinctly different tone and it suddenly sounded as though you were correcting something you think I said, just like quite a few people here have done. So I decided to use your post to launch into a last ditch effort to reillustrate my point.

Yeah, I don't have any problem with what you were saying for the most part but I also got the impression towards the end that you might be implying that I wasn't able to differentiate between masculinity and having an indomitable spirit.

+everyone who turned this into a debate (and only those who did. This isn't meant for those who were merely sharing their own views on the topic) Sigh. Why do people keep implying I'm confused when they themselves are the ones confused about what I'm trying to say in the first place. And to those who don't think this is the case, please don't tell me otherwise. I know what I read and have been directly addressed as well. I thought it was my fault for using triggering terms and giving inadequate explanation that led to much debating but a lot of people still didn't seem to get it after I've tried to explain numerous times now. I was beginning to wonder if there's something wrong with my communication ability but then there are those who completely got what I said as well, which told me maybe that wasn't the case. Then I realized it's because these people who got me actually read everything I said and interpreted it as a whole picture, while those who didn't were caught by bits of it and got hung up entirely on just those parts instead of trying to fit the jigsaw piece to form the entire picture. As a result of being sidetracked by semantics, some ended up missing the context by a mile, even though it shouldn't be that hard to see, and ended up going in circles around the point I was trying to make instead of arriving there. Look, my stance--which is the whole picture I was trying to paint--is simple. There's really no need to convolute my point with discourse of gender fluidity, sexism, cultural differences and the whole shebang, because the point I'm trying to make was never anywhere near sexism, and while I get that people perceive differently based on the culture they grew up in, I wasn't trying to say that they were wrong in their perceptions. I only wanted to express mine, which is shaped by the environment *I* was brought up in. Also, I actually don't think the guy is all that gender fluid. That's more Weir's domain in my books. On the other hand, I find him more androgynous then Weir. To me, androgyny and gender fluidity are two entirely different concepts. Which is to say, fey, to me, is more androgyny than gender fluidity, which is why I find Hanyu's style more fey, and not Weir's. People don't have to agree with me because this is simply the way my perception works. Again, I'm not trying to change minds or preach to people here, only explaining my perception, so while I welcome people sharing theirs (like the person who had a different idea of what fey is and finds Weir more fitting to the concept in their minds), I'll thank those of you who have been attempting to correct me as though I have misperceived when you're not even really seeing what it is I am perceiving to please stop doing that. I wasn't trying to prove I'm right, though I don't believe there was any misperception on my part either. There's a reason why I keep putting in phrases like "to me", "I find" and other phrasal variations to express how this whole thing is my perception and mine alone in so many of my sentences. But back to the point I was trying to make, and I hope this is the last time I need to repeat myself. I said he is an alpha male because he is an alpha-type male. Alpha type for wanting to be on top when it comes to being the best. Which can apply to the female population as well. And I say male because of his very obvious masculinity, based on the fact that he identifies as male and acts like one, up to and including the times when he does effeminate stuff. When he does it, it all shouts male to me still because he isn't effeminate in the sense Weir is effeminate but also isn't afraid to show behavior that people who can't seem to think outside of the box wouldn't consider as masculine. That's it. My standpoint is a neutral one. Please don't over interpret it anymore because I'm getting really tired of defending something that wasn't meant to be an argument in the first place.

Hi there. Thanks for coming forward to give your insight and thoughtful input. I think you might have misunderstood me, though. By saying he's alpha male, I'm not denying the existence of alpha-type women. But I honestly do think he's one, in both the traditional sense as well as the truest sense of the term. There's no sexism implied because I'm talking about it in the context of animals and this guy loves being on top of the food chain and he loves dominating in competition. I also meant it to imply that he's so comfortable with his own masculinity--there's no question that he identifies as male--yet he has no qualms in showing his inner feminity. Because even when he shows that part of himself, he doesn't seem to feel insecure and question his own masculinity, because those insecurities are a social construct, to which he doesn't seem to subscribe, the way animals don't. Anyway, these are all just the perception I alone get from him. If you perceive something else, that's completely understandable because perceptions can be unique to the individual perceiver. It's not like we can tell another person what to perceive. To me, he's basically everything you, and others, say he is, but underneath it all, he's also what my initial perception told me he is.

That only really works when he does the A-spin though. They should really reconsider renaming it M because that's really the most obvious alphabet we see when skaters execute it. But I don't think the prudes at ISU will ever let that happen.

Before the w version came about, the m version was all we had. We're talking about the older sibling, m. Or as some would call it, the golden arches. Figure skaters all have very well developed bottoms. It apparently comes with the job. It's more apparent with the dudes than with the ladies though, because of the nature of the costumes in each discipline.

Right on the money! That's the exact same page I'm on. ^^ Hahaha...I like the little bit of awkwardness he still somehow retains in his otherwise very smoothly choreo'd and performed programs. It's like a signature by now.

...nope. I think it was really cute in its awkwardness when he was younger but now he has grown beautifully into it. Like, literally. ....please don't judge me. >_<

I know some of them. Vaguely. And I have an inkling as to what you mean. But I don't think it's necessarily only a celebrity thing. And yeah I'm aware of the difference. And in knowing that, I'm saying Hanyu screams alpha male to me. He did from the moment I first saw him, when all my eyes saw was a cute skinny immensely talented kid who looked like he could be easily snapped into two by one of the bigger guys and whose antics at the kiss and cry should really have me convinced he was harmless but my lizard brain somehow kept insisting the opposite. Also, I'm sorry to bring this up again but since I was quoted, I felt like I was being singled out and as such feel the need to say something: Huh? But I already worded that sentence in a way that should make it clear it's merely an opinion, not fact. You seemed to have missed all of that and chose to focus on a single word choice. I said we felt some of his choices were dubious not that they actually were. And we're not telling him, we're only discussing it among ourselves. And even if he ever were to ask fans for feedback, I'll still give him my honest opinion. When I give feedback or an opinion, I prefer to be honest about them, even if they can be strong sometimes. Because that's how I show respect and support. And that's how I want to be shown them. Also, I think I should clarify this: I said "we" because other people question his other choices but for me, I've only ever found one of his choices to be dubious and it's costume-related. As an individual, I really don't have any negative opinions about anything else he does. Others do, however, but since none of them are meant as personal attacks on him, and most are done with a lot of affection behind it, I never saw a problem with it. I also haven't seen anyone here saying that he should change who he is. In fact, I said that we love him the way he is, idiosyncrasies and all, almost immediately after. For some reason, you have chosen to ignore all that. I try not to be judgmental about most things, including fans and how they choose to support him. And certainly there are things we shouldn't judge at all. But similarly there are some things I feel is okay to judge. In this case, it's show costumes and what-not, because it's harmless and meant to be constructive and teasing not destructive. You seem to have a very self-righteous way of stating your views, btw, which can come off as condescending. And as for your views, you have a very rigid and conservative idea as to how a fan should act, plus a penchant for policing others towards how you think they should behave. I dunno about anybody else but that sounds a lot like control issues to me. I have to say it's pretty ironic, though. For someone who's saying how something we find personally offensive doesn't mean it actually is, you sure seem to think what you find personally offensive is offensive to the world at large. And in doing so, offending quite a number of people here yourself. I won't judge you for your, frankly, very black and white views, but I'm not sure if others would appreciate being policed when they haven't actually done anything wrong (because if they were, many would have voiced out against their actions). I certainly don't. I hope others here don't mind my speaking for them but as much as we're fans and supporters of Hanyu, we're also the audience and as the audience, we're allowed to have likes and dislikes and voice them. Audiences are basically also judges, after all. And as judges, we are already highly biased towards Hanyu. Maintaining a bit of objectivity to balance things out a little certainly wouldn't hurt. Besides, I don't think any of us expect a change just because we said we don't particularly like something, but that's not what fan discussions are for anyway. We may not agree with some of his choices but it doesn't mean we don't support them. But if simply by not having a favorable reaction to everything he chooses and having to audacity to reveal it is not being a fan in your books, well, you're probably not going to like it here very much because people here are going to keep supporting him their own ways , and these ways are many. I also think being able to have conversations like this while remaining civil is another highlight of this forum. The level of tolerance and patience is very high here. As is the level of courtesy. You don't get blown off or shut down for having serious discussions where tensions run a bit higher than usual. If you're not able to differentiate what we have here from what we get elsewhere, then you're never really going to find anywhere you can be happy in. I heard Hanyu himself is also a bit of an opinionated loudmouth. He as much as admitted it himself. You may very well end up not liking him either if you ever got to know him as a person so...I would really try to broaden my horizons, if I were you. I guarantee you'll feel lighter if you do. You may even find yourself beginning to enjoy other forums as well.

I mostly sum that up to him still getting doted upon (by other skaters, by his team of people, by his sponsors, by his fans, etc.), given the fact that he's essentially a prodigy, so even though he's all grown up and can handle even situations most other full-grown adults can't, there's still a part of him that remains child-like. Like, if we have loving families that we no longer live with, even though we all try to be mature and responsible adults most of the time, we tend to revert back to our kid selves sometimes when we visit home. He just has an extremely cutesy way of showing it because...well, some people are just born that way I guess. >_< He's never particularly cutesy when he's with, say, Oda, because he sees himself as the straight man to Oda's funny man. He seems downright domineering, in fact, in most of his interactions with Oda that I've seen, lol. Tho I've also seen rarer instances where Oda was in big brother mode and Hanyu calibrated his attitude to match it (i.e.: bratty lil bro). The cutesy 8-year old seems to come out every so often when he's with people older than he is (a perspective he doesn't seem to particularly associate with Oda...), especially women, or when he's addressing his fans, a lot of whom are older than him anyway...and are women. And also middle-aged dudes who are enamored by his charms... That's an excellent way of summing it up. You will hear no disagreement from me here. ^.~

When we're talking about his style having a gender fluid quality to it, we're only discussing it in the context of his skating style right? And despite everything we've discussed, I still find that it has an inherently male quality to it that, say, Weir's style does not seem to carry. If we're talking gender fluid style, my idea of it is more like Weir's. Hanyu's has a fey quality to it but to me the leaning is still more towards the masculine. Not the typical sort but a sort that's unmistakably homme. It's pretty consistent throughout all his programs, including NS and HK. But that's just me. If we're going beyond skating to his overall personality, which we can only base mostly on how how he comes off in interviews, he seems to exude pretty regular dude traits to me for the most part.

Wow. I like that description a lot. It's in fact a lot more accurate than mine. Paradox seems so much more limited, now that you've shared this. I think paradox is what a lot of people still see him as but what he really is more like is a kaleidoscope, due to all his facets. Thanks!! *^_^* I still maintain that at his very core, he carries a scarily fierce desire to dominate, and this part of him is interconnected with all these other facets of himself. But who he is at his very core, is that, to me. Because I dunno how else to explain the very first underlying impression I got of him back when I knew absolutely nothing about him, when, for all intents and purposes, all he looked like to the naked eye was a skinny and adorable teenager having the time of his life. And hey, there can only ever be one Yuzuru Hanyu. Just as there can only be one you. I know it sounds cheesy, but who cares, if it's true? ^^

Hmmm, he seems to be very well-liked for sure but I wouldn't be so quick to say that his desire to be on top doesn't spread beyond skating. I mean his competitiveness in just about everything is pretty well known. I'm pretty sure that can be a tad annoying and tiring at times but he doesn't seem overbearing about it and seems to be able to perceive his surroundings well which I think enables him to know when to tone it down. >_< I think the fact that he truly doesn't seem to think his achievements belong to him alone, which I'm pretty sure all the extraordinary circumstances that led him to become who he is and where he is today is a significant factor, also helps to tamper down the burning competitive demon that resides within. ^.^ Anyway, what I meant to say was, despite his sensitivity and his myriad emotions that he seems to like to show as well as all his other non-binary tendencies, the guy is still an alpha male in my books. He's just not your typical one, but rather an evolved one.

That's true, too. And I think that juxtaposition is what makes him such a paradox. I wasn't discounting the existence of that part of him as it very obviously makes up a huge part of who he is. But even at his most emotional, I'm still aware of that other...less emotional and more primal part of him which enables him to show what he's really capable of when the guy wants something badly enough or is backed into a corner. That part of him used to be more wild but now it's reined in and has grown to become methodical. And if that ain't scary I dunno what is. See, all that he's gained by his desire and iron will to be the best is also what allows him to show his sensitivity to the world, culminating in performances expressed in a way that only he can. But even though every individual skater and their expression are unique, being emotional and expressing their sensitivity are things that hold true for other skaters as well. What truly sets him apart from everyone else is that part of him that's the exact opposite to his sensitive self: his determination and hunger to be the absolute best and nothing but. And I don't mean simply in a way that wins him medals. There are plenty of skaters like that as well. I mean in a way that satisfies his idea of what the ideal of figure skating is. Now this is a much, *much* rarer breed. And his ideal and everything that leads up to it, is an impossible--perhaps even unimaginable--one to most skaters.

Lol he can pretend to be delicate and ethereal* all he wants but there's no hiding the apex predator he really is that is anything but. Like, now that I've become slightly more acquainted to his character, his game-on mode is the furthest thing from pretty. I mean he could be putting out something really awesome and beautiful but when I'm seeing it, even though I'm suitably awed, I'm also very intimidated. And I'm not even a competitor. And it leaves a kind of mark even when he's doing a non-comp performance. He does this thing that my senses are telling me is beautiful but the back of my brain is persistently going, "Yeah well you may be thinking only that *now* but just you wait." What he does is beautiful, yes, but my brain just wouldn't shut up about the guy himself being dangerous, even when he's not doing anything that gives it a reason to think that. I'm not sure if I'm articulating this well enough but if I'm not, I'm sorry but I tried. I guess what I'm basically trying to say is the guy is a complete dominator, and something within me recognized that from the get-go. And now that I've seen rock solid evidence of it, that primal and instinctive part of me (re: lizard brain) is always aware of it, even when he's doing harmless fluffy bubbly stuff. >.< This guy is both a mastermind and a conqueror, and we should all be glad of the fact that he's one of the good guys. .......or is he? *Also, if we're talking about the delicate and ethereal quality of his skating, the fact that he's honed his skills to that level of perfection actually speaks volumes about this insatiable hunger he very apparently has to be the absolute best and nothing less--which leads right back to the very thing I'm talking about. TLDR: Call Hanyu and his skating every aesthetically positive adjective you can think of with a superlative attached to it and you'd be absolutely correct. You could also call his skating masculine or feminine or neither or both and you wouldn't be wrong either. But what the guy truly is, before all these things, above all else, is Badass of the highest order. I sincerely never thought I'd ever come to think of a male figure skater as such, much less the epitome of the term, but there you have it. It's just the left side tho. I thought he walked into another glass door or accidentally got elbowed by someone else or something.

Lol, that's quite alright. But maybe you should specify the next time you feel the need to criticize because it's not like you can't voice your opinion about something you like or dislike. Plenty of people here, myself included, have voiced our displeasure at some of his choices that we feel can sometimes be rather....dubious. Not that we, or rather I (can't speak for others, oops!), would want him to change, mind, since these idiosyncrasies are part of who he is and thus, his charm. It's just when you don't specify, you'll almost always sound like you're making a sweeping generalization. And it can't even be a misunderstanding because even if you hadn't meant it that way, that's exactly what it sounded like. >_< Ugh. I wish people would stop reminding me of that bit. T_T It didn't look that way to me at first so I didn't think of it until someone here mentioned it and now I can't unsee it. And just when I was about to forget the image, you had to bring it up again. >>_<<; Oh right, I still haven't said much about this costume, have I? When I first saw it, I recognized it as something that I perhaps won't fall deeply in love with immediately but would probably grow on me to a point that I'll actually grow to like it quite a lot. So I'd rate it quite a bit above Requiem (which I've gotten used to but still can't in all honesty say I like...I'm more like neutral?) but waaaaaay below NS, which I was absolutely blown away by the very first time I saw it. I always find it a little weird when people say he looks like a twink. Like, I kinda get where they are coming from because it's not like I dunno what a twink is supposed to look like and he does fit the bill if you're not looking closely enough but for some reason, from the first moment I saw him (Sochi's Individual Men's PW), all I could see was an alpha predator. Like he was skinny and fresh-faced and acting all cute and stuff, and back then I had yet to see him ultra-focused and intense and I still hadn't yet found out about his character nor his personality, but I just couldn't shake the vibe even then and can't quite understand why some of these other people can't see it...it's quite obvious though I can't pinpoint how so..

Huh. I think he looks very natural the way he is and if he feels comfortable looking like his natural self, that's really all that matters. The boyish non-style he always sports is what makes it easy for him to style it in different ways for his programs. It's practical and it's functional. Sure, it can't hurt to change it and if he feels like he wants to, he should go for it. But if he doesn't want to, who am I to judge that he should? Sides, he's already regarded by quite a few as if he's an idol, so he may not want to contribute more towards it. Thus, if he wants to maintain a modest look, it's his prerogative. It's not like it can't become the very opposite of modest with the simple use of a lot of hair wax. And as great as he looks with his hair all swept up from his face, really, you can't expect the guy to be using hair wax all the time. I heard it's bad for the hair and can contribute towards hair loss... Also I'm pretty happy that he's maintaining this instead of going for those popular flashy and wispy bleached/dyed hairdos Japanese guys seem to like so much. Or, heaven forbid, a perm. Though if he wants to go for it someday.......then more power to him. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that Plushenko has been sporting the same hair for aeons now and Hanyu at least has enough sense to not go for the same strong bowl cut (now that he's all grown up) and mullet*. For that, even for those, like you, who for some reason seem to have a problem with his already very neutral style, I think there's plenty to be grateful for. >_< *I dunno if it is actually his own sense or his mom putting her foot down, though, because it still somehow resembles Plushenko's slightly and yet not quite...it's like he always stops--or gets stopped--before it could become a mullet... P/s: I somehow get this vibe that the only time he cares about his appearance is when he performs. He seems quite blasé about it when he's not. And that's fine. Because how he looks when he isn't performing shouldn't matter.

Aw...I don't think he has a bad singing voice. From the very fleeting examples I've heard, he sounded like he had an okay voice but had trouble carrying certain notes (usually the high ones, like someone here mentioned). Otherwise, he sounds like he could carry a tune about as well as the average karaoke goer? I mean not the bad singers whose singing sounds more like caterwauling but the average ones who have a range they can handle but then go off-key when the music ventures out of their comfort zone. I'm one of these common ones. But he doesn't seem to like showing the world stuff he can't excel at or at least is reasonably confident in (if he had any say in it) so I doubt we'd be hearing him sing any time soon. I think he'd sooner do an entire interview in English, lol. Lesser of two evils and all that.