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Thank you for sharing! I teared up watching that video. It's so true. Kudos to Yuzu for being so brave to speak up. I hope his supporters will start a conversation regarding injuries and toxic stoicism in sports.

What's this thing about him shutting Hashimoto? I'd love to know The upside of it is that we know he's pure, self-made, he fought for everything he got with tooth and nails, and that's why we love him so much. Propped-up pets can't replace, won't replace him, EVER. And I'm sure that he has and will continue to inspire generations of beautiful skaters. Hopefully at some point, JSF leadership will change. Japan Judo Fed was really toxic for a while, and then they overhauled the leadership and it got much better. And talking about traditions - Judo is one of the most traditional, hierarchical, macho thing possible, and I was very happy to see that changes are possible. Just got to hope.

Yeah, I've had a negative impression of Fernandez ever since I watched his Inform Robinson interview (I think there's English subtitle available? I speak some Spanish so it was ok to follow). It was overly dramatized, but also, Javi was dropping shades like "if there's an issue between me and Hanyu, it's not from me". Poor Yuzu - but better now than never. At least he has millions of people who love him unconditionally (and also great people like Shizu-chan and Nobu who always speak for all of us).

@kingbanana: try the Planet's video compilation: https://planethanyu.com/topic/265-video-compilation-senior-level-competitions-media-post/

Oh, Yag is a flawed character with ulterior motives, along with many other figure skating "experts". Re: Raf. I had a coach like that (Russian-trained, different sports, but always demeaning to his athletes and says tonnes of unpleasant stuff and does psychologically abuse their athletes to make them stronger). And yes, all that matters is medals and $$$. Raf is a version of Tut. These people aren't worth paying attention to.

Great summary! Much appreciated, and it brought to light things that I didn't know (or read but forgot). Yep. Yag during his competitive time made a lot of headlines for his questionable comments and behavior. So, I don't expect anything from him. (Plus, he hates Plush to the bones, and Yuzu loves Plush so much, so I can only imagine that he can't be too thrilled...) A good athlete and a good human being are two orthogonal things. On Yuzu's Worlds etc. I'm so glad that he's not seen and not making any statements yet. He just needs time to process what happened. We all needed time to process the stuff in the last week, I'm sure it's much harder for him. I hope he'll just take all the time he needs, all the rehab etc, and hopefully, he can enjoy one or two moments of this Olympics.

Next time. There's always a next time with Yuzu, I'm sure of it. I am so glad that he can relax now and avoid that BS press conf. He can just interview with Shuzo, hop on the plane, go back to his den and train for 4A. (While we pour out our love for him). It's just one stepping stone to 4A. The 4A podium is there, within reach. I'm sure he will go for it.

I can't quite decide if it's 4Aq or 4A< LOL. I'm sure Yuzu would want a 4A FULL STOP though. He is SO CLOSE!!! I'm SO HAPPY for him.

Thank you for the translation! It makes a lot of sense. (Coupled with Takeshi Honda's comments, we get the picture that he can do 4A, but he's very much aware of the risk of injuring his ankle). He has come so far. It must be scary to jump something that threatens to take you out for months at a time at each landing. I trust that he's managing it very carefully. Ganbare Yuzu!

LOL, this happen doesn't it, one thread goes on fire forever... Logging off now (got to work tomorrow). Thanks everyone on the Planet for making this place so awesome! I'll definitely stay away from all media BS and just tune in here for news / vids before the Free.

I think Med is aiming for Beijing 2022, in which case she has time and is on good track. As long as she stays competitive w PCS, by just being clean, and staing as a dark horse gor podiums, then once she got the 4S she'll be back in the game again. Thanks for sharing the Plush stuff. 40% to Eteri, I'm not surprised at all. I had a Soviet trained coach in a different sport and it was the same deal... Just the culture.

I'm a bit behind -- what's the Plush to Eteri comment that everyone is on about?

Um, sorry to bring back the ITL topic with an unpopular opinion, but I'm a little surprised at how negative the discussions went here.

I thought about this a bit -- don't they use computer vision to track and predict ball trajectories in baseball and cricket quite a bit? Granted t that the ball has well-defined boundaries, but I think it's not a trivial problem in baseball at all, and they have managed for ages now. Another option is to put a small tracking device on the skaters' boots. Two chips for each boot is enough (one in front and one below) -- and this way we don't need to deal with cameras *at all* They have chips in soccer balls, for example, so clearly the technology is there. Obviously it won't get adapted at competitions immediately, but I think that it can get taken up by amateurs, training, etc, and eventually make it to official competitions? In the long run, this sort of tracking beats cameras + algorithms *for sure*. We really need to think in the long run and have an indisputable technology. (Getting the ISU to adopt it may take as long as getting FIFA to adopt their goal line technology, but it's totally worth it) Btw, athletes might want this to dispute ISU's phantom call, for example. There's totally a market for it.

Great everyone - thanks for initiating this @shanshani! I really think that a crowd-funded project is possible. And just generally looking down the road, if we want to turn this into a serious analysis that can shame the ISU and bring about REAL changes, there are a few things we should consider now: Data collection 1. Where to store these videos 2. Copyrights. (Any lawyers on the planet? Who own these videos? What about events that say "no fan cams allowed"?) And what about broadcasted videos? (Do you think there's a chance that we can get permission to use them? Would be happy to write and ask -- I suspect that short clips from those are OK but not the whole performance) 3. Splicing, tagging and sorting: ideally each video is split into multiple clips, each clip just have 1 second before the jump, the jump, and the second after (say). Then we need to sort the video by *jumps*, with naming convention like jumptype_skater_program_competition, so we will get 4Lo_Hanyu_SP_ACI2019 for example and within that folder we have multiple clips of the same jump. I think step 3 should be done by the video submitter, to minimize our burden. After we collect a giant database, we can think of the second step: methodologies (I still lean towards crowd-funding a Kaggle -- I think it gives great visibility to the problem as well)