Murieleirum

16 hours ago, Saya said:

Edit: Also, I guess I'm just not for accusing anyone of anything over an ambiguous comment and just go with the most neutral interpretation. Especially since Ambessi has always been supportive of all athletes regardless of their nationality/race. (Although he is harsher on American skaters in general haha).

Yes, this. Honestly, the word 'racist' is getting abused in some contexts and in some others where it is needed (Italy's suffering a lot lately for this reason) it is not spoken. 

How the fuck is saying that the US fed might be using Chen and Liu's Chinese descent to create a story for the Beijing Olympics racist? No, don't explain. I don't wanna hear it. 

This forum is mighty annoying sometimes. Can't stand the overly politically correctedness motivated by... what? The desire to see the worst in people that you don't actually know? 

And yes, I am biased because I respect Max as a sport expert and as a person. 

47 minutes ago, ralucutzagy said:

 

 

I can't want to hear Max roast the fucketry that was GPF this year tonight for the podcast...

9 hours ago, alwaysafan said:

I'm at home after watching him skate and I'm still not ready to talk or read about it. I just wanted to ask if anyone filmed the post victory celebratory laps? Towards the end the crowd chanted again happy birthday and it warmed my heart.

Me and other 5 people screamed "Happy Birthday Yuzu" right after the music stopped at the end of the victory lap - we did it two times, and I screamed so hard that my heart skipped a beat and I felt like fainting LOL - I have a sore throat today but it was worth it if he could hear it. 

12 hours ago, quadaxelwin said:

I see a lot of Japanese fans talking about the ill timing of this on twitter and are rather angry with the timing. Jp Fanyus are angry because now some people in Japan who are not fans of Yuzu are bashing Yuzu for declining a cake from an innocent girl and it is exactly why japanese fanyus didn't want to do any birthday treat for Yuzu during Kiss and Cry. Because Japanese media and public sometimes like to twist little things Yuzu does to fabricate something about his personality. They  have a great desire to pull him down, to find little things to twist into a "Yuzu is cold" story. We want Yuzu to stop running into situations that are unusual and abnormal or situations that make him feel uncomfortable. We want him to stop running into uncomfortable situations he feels the need to decline on the spot. 

On one side I agree, on the other one, I'd say... chill. Japanese people need to chill on all sides. It was just a cake, Yuzuru just happened to reject it because it wasn't the right mood/moment, that's literally it. If crazy people go lenghts to interpret the 'thing' then they are just crazy people, you should not give them so much space and should not think about it too much. It was a cute thought from the organizer of the event, but it wasn't the right moment, that's all. You cannot, really really cannot avoid every and any situation that might be a little awkward. I know that culturally Japanese people tend to want to do that, but it is impossible. Let people live without the fear of being judged by idiot bullshitters. 

On 12/6/2019 at 5:13 AM, quadaxelwin said:

Nathan is like the male Trusova for me, and I honestly cannot understand how his programs are more artistic or musical than Yuzu's.

Tbh Trusova isn't being praised for her non-existant artistry talent and artistic programs, everybody knows her forte is technical score and, say, Kostornaia is objectively better than her in Skating Skills, PE, Interpretation of Music. 

Also, Trusova does have Transitions. Maybe they are both overscored in PCS in the end, but the propaganda surrounding Trusova is not comparable with that surrounding Nathan. Nathan is Us's only male champ. Trusova is one of many many talents Russia has, they have no reason to favor her above Kosto or Anna.

1 hour ago, mokjakarma said:

I think it's this one at ACI 2017?

 

LOL amazing

LGC and Origin 1.0 are the manliest/sexiest costumes he's ever worn, I think. Parisienne is more like charming/casually attractive. I do really love purple though, so Origin 2.0 is also welcome.

Uh, next saturday I am going for a day trip to Torino to see him... I still haven't realized I think!! 

Btw I vote singing Happy Birthday at the end of the Victory ceremony/victory lap of the FS, for 2 reasons:

1) I'll be there, and also more people will be present in the Arena for sure compared to the practices

2) After everything is done is better than when the tension is still present! He will enjoy it more for sure.

3 hours ago, Maleko said:

 

SOURCE

Hahahahahha! 

I honestly believe that if he didn't butcher the combo he would have the new WR by now, so I'm sure he blames no one but himself for not breaking through the 110.

2 hours ago, ralucutzagy said:

Nobu (another fanboy lol) talking abt Yuzu's 4Lo!

 

 

Approximately: "The right leg is in this position, the left leg is in front of it... then, you bend your knee/lower your thighs and it becomes this shape. Then, you leap only from the right foot, and you land. This is the Loop jump. With the quadruple, you need to enter the jump with more speed. So the position (for the quadruple) is this. The right foot/ankle is angled in such a distorted way (the inclination with the ice is so much more sharp), and you have to put your whole body weight to jump from that position, so it is really easy to lose balance and fall. And I think it is also pretty scary. But in Hanyu's case, the fast and sharp timing with which he creates that position (inclination) and also the timing with which he leaps from the ice is really genius-like."

On 11/1/2019 at 1:32 AM, river said:

I didn't do any Wanikani reviews while at Skate Canada and came back to 800+ sitting in the queue. I did something similar (but not as bad because the event was shorter) at ACI. Why do I do this to myself??? 

Dude... dude... I feel your pain. 

(Stuck at +1000 reviews since basically I started my new job and I don't have energy to study every day anymore)

19 hours ago, Pink Elephants said:

So I don't really get people who say "if you won't medal/get rich/be famous what's the point".

That's... kinda what Yuzu thinks tho 

I think everyone lives competition in a different way, the important thing is not to decide when and why other people should or should not compete. Everybody decides their own life.

 l g c   f t w

But guys the ISU video is in fact geoblocked. I live in Italy and I can't see it. 

4 hours ago, Salior said:

 

here's the video 

 

Omg??? His ENglish is really improved?? He used "mellow"!! 

This is more surprising than the Skate Canada gold LOL

1 hour ago, tafattsbarn said:

 

The way he continues to be a symbol of strength and perserverance to people affected by adverse situations is incredible. I hope everyone in the damaged areas manages to recover effectively with time and resources invested  

Wow, the fact they're talking about him as if he were almost a kami protecting rice fields from 'above'... really striking.

I am so ready _{(for 4Lutz)}

There is no doubt they did it for the Hanyu-conomy LOL.

Also guys wanted to share a news with you: there is a new "Ambesi winter corner" which is basically an interview with Max in which he talks about the GP season this year, shares his opinions and so on, and so far I don't think it has been translated - it was out since just two days ago. 

If people here are interested, I think I can translate it during the day! 

It's this one right here:

https://www.oasport.it/2019/10/ambesi-winter-corner-da-yuzuru-hanyu-ad-alena-kostornaia-tanti-buoni-motivi-per-seguire-il-grand-prix/?fbclid=IwAR2-GVi7wA3ExpOO48AX0Yqr-AYo3agU_pnH0SEEve7VZ1wGl2rWzuMSX8E

On 10/16/2019 at 1:22 AM, kaeryth said:

Artists x Yuzuru snippets!

 

 

 

 

 

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Ooooh finally, I was wondering when was anyone gonna mention the glissando deal. For the life of me I can't understand pianists who do it so easily, my fingers hurt so much when I do it! Poor Kiyozuka-san. 

6 hours ago, Toni said:

 

 

Um... did you really mean to draw an equivalence between screaming at a costume  reveal and chasing Yuzu's car?! Or stealing other people's seats?! Or demanding Yuzu's personal attention?! Screaming happily is a gut reaction, whereas all the things you compared it to require a decision and an action. I had Winnie's to throw and an urge to throw them, but I did not throw the Poohs because that was against the rules, and it would have required a decision and an action. I wanted to watch only Yuzu in practice, but I deliberately looked away, to cheered for the other skaters too. I would never EVER chase someone's car or invade their privacy, no matter how emotional I felt. Please rethink this false equivalence, since I find fans who chase cars, boo at other skaters, flagrantly disregard rules, and steal other people's seats repugnant. And I would smash someone in the face if I saw them chasing Yuzu. 

  

ACI is the least important of all the contests Yuzu will attend this season and has a correspondingly small ticket price. But even with the low cost, only die-hard fans travel for ACI. Most FS fans don't even watch such contests on TV -- assuming they are even televised. They wait until the "real" events, like GPF and Worlds. Some only watch Worlds and the Olympics. People who travel to see any of the Challenger series, on the other hand, are truly dedicated fans. I, for instance, drove there for 8 hours from Massachusetts. To save money, I brought food with me and stayed in a cheap AirBNB. I wasn't saying that ALL die-hard fans travel to ACI, I was saying that ONLY die-hard fans do. I'm very sorry you if you couldn't afford to go, and I hope you have many more chances in the future to see Yuzu live. 

 

I have already answered all of this in a precedent post, so if you want you can have a read at that... 

But I will repeat that no, not only die-hard fans travel for ACI, but the fans who can afford a ticket from wherever they live to Canada, which can cost a lot of money. It's important that people understand this. I can admit it easily: I have a complex about this because I grew up poor so people who take for granted things like buying ticket planes and hotel nights don't feel right to me. Yuzuru has aknowledged himself all of those fans who follow him online and cannot follow him physically because of money constraints... that is what I was talking about. That was it. 

5 hours ago, sweetwater said:

I don't think @Murieleirum is labeling fans at ACI this year as stalkers and such. Isn't she just pointing out the danger in justifying what we do as a sign of emotional involvement or emotional investment? And I don't think "who can afford it" means who is rich either... There must be die-hard fans outside of arenas as well, among those who can't afford to go to each competition, no? because of having no time or having difficult situations? I am not a native English speaker so I am not 100 percent confident, though.

You got 100% of what I was saying. I am probably very direct when I speak so I get that it sounds like I am faulting or attacking some people. 

6 hours ago, KatjaThera said:

Honestly, as someone who screamed at ACI, I feel offended to have that be equaled with running after Yuzu's car, stealing seats, or loudly screaming "Look at me, I love you!" You're generalizing, by assuming people who screamed at ACI are the types of people who do those things. I'd says it's very easy to judge without having been there and to me it's the same kind of judging like that Seimei cosplaying girl at Rostelecom 2017 suffered: people saw her crying and assumed she was crying because Yuzu lost. You saw/heard people screaming at ACI more than usual and assumed they're all misbehaving fans. There were circumstances which amplified the reaction. It doesn't mean everyone suddenly stopped acknowledging Yuzu as a talented double Olympic Champion and just saw a sexy guy that made their ovaries explode. To me, at least, the lines are generally very clear. Was ACI an overreaction? Maybe, and I've admitted this before. Was it understandable? Yes, I believe it was. Will everyone agree on that? Of course not. Different people have different temperaments. Maybe some of them would never lose their composure like that. I didn't last year, but did this year. Maybe my threshold is high, but this year it wasn't high enough. I don't know. What I do know is that I cannot agree that the screaming at ACI is as bad as the other examples of bad behavior you gave and I resent the comparison.

 

I also felt the urge to boo at ACI, but I did not. Because Yuzu would not appreciate it. But the total silence as the technical controller and who else extended greetings to the athletes was telling.

 

I also think you really need to get over the notion that affordability means anything. That's a sort of elitist mindframe, like richer people would never stoop to act as badly as the poor people do, that I cannot believe still exists in this day and age. You can be absolutely sure that those screaming included both rich and not so rich people. Although admittedly, I did not inquire about the income of any of the fans I've met at ACI. I am probably the poorest of them, but then again, it was also my first time screaming like that. So not sure what exactly that is supposed to say about me...

 

I think bad fan behavior needs to be discussed. Stalking, in any shape or form - to me, chasing after his car is a form of stalking - needs to be pointed out and discouraged, rather than swept under the rug. But IMO, there were worse things happening at ACI than the screaming. The screaming was a genuine, honest reaction, and it was ALL about Yuzu, not getting his attention, at least from where I stood. If there were other instances of something else, like competitions between fans, to outscream each other, then, yes, that I disagree with. But in that case, I'd rather those cases be singled out, rather than just going after EVERYONE who screamed, because that's just not fair to those for whom it was a genuine and perhaps not entirely voluntary reaction.

 

And we know Yuzu is a fan of cheering and screaming himself, so I don't think he'd want people holding back on genuine reactions, as long as they don't get too over the top.

 

As for concentration, I think it's good for athletes to experience stressful situations, too. As long as nobody is screaming with the purpose to disturb, timing the screams to jumps, it should be good practice, to learn to block it out. Even if it's done with the purpose to disturb, it's good practice. An athlete who can master the art of ignoring those who try to intentionally destroy his focus will be unbeatable. But that was not the case and I honestly doubt any of the other skaters minded it much. If anything, it meant the attention was not on them. As for Yuzu, I've already been there, so I won't repeat myself. Only he knows how much he minded it or not.

 

Either way, I doubt it set the standard for future competitions, so we are probably over-analyzing.

I think you misinterpreted completely the 'affordability' part. I was saying the opposite. I live in Italy, a lot of people here come from Europe and Asia. It is a big expense to travel to Canada, or any other country besides your own. I saved up my work salary for a year to go to Japan in March, and it wasn't at all to see Yuzuru but because of university studying. I did voluntary work to cover my living expenses. I come from a poor household, and when I say poor I mean it. I'm not sure what you mean when you say you are the poorest of them when, sorry for pointing this out, I know for a fact that you've travelled a lot and seen Yuzu live a lot so you definitely cannot describe yourself as poor. 

In any case, that part of my comment wasn't in any way correlated to the rest, I wasn't drawing connections between income and reactions, lol. 

Regarding the rest, I didn't want to drag this out as much as it seems that I did, and I didn't mean to say that screaming fans are like stalkers or obsessive people. Those were examples of bad behavior, extremes. I would be an idiot to compare over-screaming during a costume reveal to people stalking Yuzuru! 

I simply felt like I wanted to respond to a comment that was only saying 'I felt like this, I felt like that' and did not really talk about how others might have felt. 

I hope I managed to convey my feelings this time. 

12 hours ago, Toni said:

 

I think everyone is over-analyzing the screaming. ACI, as the first contest of the season, will always lead to over-the-top screams, for multiple reasons: 1) we've had months of anticipation. 2) they add to the frenzy by making us fight for seats, waiting in line for many, many hours (some of us overnight) thus we're already in a frenzy, and 3) costume reveal. 

  

Since it's the die-hard fans who have the most emotional reactions at the first contest, and these are the fans who go to non-ISU events like ACI, also since everyone has now seen the costume in pictures and video, there will naturally be less pandemonium in the next events. Also: assigned seating, so less build-up. 

  

Yuzu deliberately revealed that costume early. He usually skates around for awhile, but this time, he took his jacket off almost immediately. I think he knew the reaction he would get and decided to get it over with early, so the disruption could die down as quickly as possible and the skaters could then practice in relative peace. I, for one, couldn't have stopped myself from screaming if I tried. Purple is my favorite color, and that costume... every time he passed by, I felt like... this must be what it felt like for the first people to see Michelangelo's David. A perfect masterpiece. I am not ashamed. 

You only mentioned your own emotions in justifying the mass behavior that happened at ACI, and of course you are, that's exactly what happens - fans get overwhelmed with emotions and do not think about other people. It happens when they run after Yuzuru's car, it happens when they (any skater's fans) steal other people's seats, etc. etc. Who decides where the line is? Between what is acceptable and what is not? I wish Yuzuru could speak out more explicitey about this and say it bluntly when he thinks fans are exaggerating, but I feel like he kinda did when he said "I am grateful for my fans for letting me concentrate", which from Japanese to English means "I hope my fans will respect other skater's concentration and my own when cheering for me". 

The context is everything. Again, you only spoke about what I felt, but I am asking you to think about how others might have felt: Yuzuru himself, other skaters.

Plus, you said something that is upsetting: it's not the diehard fans who go to non-ISU competitions like ACI. It's the fans who can afford it. Big difference.

For example, I was lucky enough to win a ticket for Saitama and be in Japan during the WC of 2019, so I went and I cheered. When Nathan's score was announced, I felt like booing. I was so disappointed. Booing at the judges of course, not at poor Nathan who did a great job. But I couldn't, because I had to think about other people's (Nathan's) feelings. And booing is not the same as cheering, but... come on, I don't have to repeat myself. Yuzuru has been recently, in more than one competition, visibly irritated by some behaviors that went over the line.

One other thing, in Helsinki 2017 during the winning ceremony, there was an Italian lady screaming "Yuzuru! Look over here! I love you!" again and again and the desperation that I could hear in her voice was just a little... well, no. That is not the kind of support that Yuzuru needs, that is just obsession and do you really think Yuzuru doesn't feel the difference?

I know it's annoying and you don't wanna hear it, but... this is just what I think at the end of the day. You are free to disagree and I don't want you to be ashamed, I just want people to think a little bit more about context. 

Actually the content of this interview, we already kinda got snippets of it... I think I got the main sense out of most phrases but I don't feel confident translating it, although I can say some things. He first talks about the protocols a bit (only the Free's I think), the fact that the two 4T's got UR calls felt "painful" to him, even though he knows that he couldn't do 4Loop and 4Salchow well. Then he said that the 3Lutz had all the rotations to it and the entry was the shortest he could come up with, but then I didn't get how he felt about the score he got. 

He kinda repeats that he has to skate clean and skating clean is the most important thing, even if he does it in practice, he has to do it in competition. Because if not skating clean, the score will not be the one he wants, it will not be there. 

Then they talk about "Sutokku" and I have no idea what they mean?? hahahaha. 

But then he goes to talk about GOE and how winning thanks to high GOE's is his type of skating, but he realized that he cannot only win with that thanks to last year's World Championships. He talks a bit about his style of skating, and then they ask him about ranking and I remember for sure that we got some translations about this part of the interview. I think he says that first the important thing about ranking is that he is able to be in competitions without any problems (injuries). 

And then they go on and talk about the 4A and how hard is it to land it, and how risky is it to practice it... he sounds very serious during all the interview, he must have been very pissed about his scores - not saddened, not angry at himself I think... pissed at whoever URed his clean 4T's probably lol. 

2 hours ago, anski said:

You can def do a spin “out of nowhere” but your speed would probably suffer, which is probably the reason most skaters would prefer to have some momentum going before entering the spin! Even then some skaters lose speed mid-spin... 

 

Not sure if that gets qualified as "spin out of nowhere" but one of my favourite spins from Yuzuru is the second one in Scriabin's Etude's SP, which I think is a back scratch sit spin. He enters it pretty suddently after few running steps on the ice and fits the dramatic accent of the music perfectly. Love it love it love it. 

Btw random consideration, and I know we've already talked about this but I think it needs a little bit more talking: I was thinking I didn't watch a lot of ACI fancams of this year so I watched the 6 minutes warm up of the FS and... wow, I was surprised and not in a good way. 

Honestly, at first I empathize and then I find it funny, but after a while, knowing how Yuzuru might feel, I don't find it funny anymore. All that screaming is just rude and nonsense, has nothing to do with sport and our supposed respect for him. I think that we all should settle down a bit and help other fans settle down as well. 

Somehow I also think that ACI is always a different competition because there is free seating, so people don't pay +300 dollars to sit in front. I somehow think that in other competitions, being that the viewers are more 'selected' and the atmosphere is more serious, there will never be so much losing control. Or so I hope. 

I think we should seriously start considering that so much hyping might be hurting him a little. People were screaming at him just for passing by. That's not okay, imo. We're not 2 years old anymore.

Two cents shared, I'm out. 

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