Yuzuru Hanyu - Filipino Fan Thread (Filipino & Cebuano)

[HyperBiellmann]

Update sa ISU scoring... grabe dami nilang pinatatamaan. 

 

https://twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/970546318241230848?s=20

[PapiandPooh422]

44 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Update sa ISU scoring... grabe dami nilang pinatatamaan. 

 

https://twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/970546318241230848?s=20

Sa totoo lang nakakainis. Eto yung tatlong pinakanakakasura.

 

1. "I guess they judges will mostly take notes from the official practices on skaters' skills then use as the reference for the real competition."

Aba teka. Eh pano kung ang galing-galing mo sa practice bago nagkalat ka sa mismong competition, dun pa rin ba sila magbe-base ng skating skills kahit sabihin nating marami ka talagang transitions na kayang gawin at nagawa mo ng maayos sa practice pero di mo na-maximize sa competition (pwedeng na-mistimed ka sa music o you're slow on the ice). At pano kung off-day ka nung practice pero nag-deliver ka nung mismong kaorasan na? Pangit pa din scores mo? Kawawa ka, ganun? NASAAN ANG LOGIC NYO, ISU!?

 

2. Arm movements are considered transitions. 

Teka lang. Di ba ang transitions kasama sa skating skills? KELAN PA GINAMIT PAG-SKATE ANG KAMAY? Susmaryosep, eh yun ngang pinagpipilitan nilang ang crossovers na isang very juniorish transition kapantay lang ng Mohawk, Chocktaw, at iba pang mahihirap na transitions mahirap nang lunukin, eto at nagdagdag pa! Matatanggap ko lang 'to ng bukas sa loob kung yung skates nakasuot sa kamay. 

 

3. "PCS composition will have SPREADABILITY and BALANCE. This means all jumps in the second half might not get huge PCS. They're debating if they should drop the 10% bonus for the jumps in the second half as well (unsure if it will happen)." 

Kung matutuloy to, eh di okay! Good! Tanong lang. BAKIT NGAYON LANG, NGAYONG MAY NANAKAWAN NA NG MEDALYA!?

 

Sorry guys kung rant yung post ko. Pero grabe, kakaibabe ang ISU! Di ko kinakaya! 

 

[HyperBiellmann]

32 minutes ago, PapiandPooh422 said:

Sa totoo lang nakakainis. Eto yung tatlong pinakanakakasura.

 

1. "I guess they judges will mostly take notes from the official practices on skaters' skills then use as the reference for the real competition."

Aba teka. Eh pano kung ang galing-galing mo sa practice bago nagkalat ka sa mismong competition, dun pa rin ba sila magbe-base ng skating skills kahit sabihin nating marami ka talagang transitions na kayang gawin at nagawa mo ng maayos sa practice pero di mo na-maximize sa competition (pwedeng na-mistimed ka sa music o you're slow on the ice). At pano kung off-day ka nung practice pero nag-deliver ka nung mismong kaorasan na? Pangit pa din scores mo? Kawawa ka, ganun? NASAAN ANG LOGIC NYO, ISU!?

 

2. Arm movements are considered transitions. 

Teka lang. Di ba ang transitions kasama sa skating skills? KELAN PA GINAMIT PAG-SKATE ANG KAMAY? Susmaryosep, eh yun ngang pinagpipilitan nilang ang crossovers na isang very juniorish transition kapantay lang ng Mohawk, Chocktaw, at iba pang mahihirap na transitions mahirap nang lunukin, eto at nagdagdag pa! Matatanggap ko lang 'to ng bukas sa loob kung yung skates nakasuot sa kamay. 

 

3. "PCS composition will have SPREADABILITY and BALANCE. This means all jumps in the second half might not get huge PCS. They're debating if they should drop the 10% bonus for the jumps in the second half as well (unsure if it will happen)." 

Kung matutuloy to, eh di okay! Good! Tanong lang. BAKIT NGAYON LANG, NGAYONG MAY NANAKAWAN NA NG MEDALYA!?

 

Sorry guys kung rant yung post ko. Pero grabe, kakaibabe ang ISU! Di ko kinakaya! 

 

1. You actually have a point there.  Di ko sya namention sa rant ko (shared the thread kasi pero niquote ko lang, kausap ko si OP kanina), pero you can never predict what will happen based sa practice. Hindi sya fair basis.

 

2) Nah, I think iba ang transition component sa skating skills. (Baka mali naalala ko, Imma check the handbook later.) But the point stands: you're scoring what the person can do on skates, if you have to score shit sa arm choreography, dapat nasa interpretation component sya, hindi transitions. And the worse thing about this is matagal na syang ginagawa apparently ng mga judges, napansin lang ngayon kasi Junior Worlds ngayon. Apparently, a skater had high points for transition eh nagpose lang sya don at nagmukhang dancing groot (yung nga tela na tao na may e-fan sa ilalim kaya "sumasayaw"). I swear nagblow up ang twitter dash ko nung time na yon. .-.

 

3) Di naman siguro fair na tanggalin ung 1.1x multiplier for the second half, kapagod rin kaya ung programs. Pero natuwa talaga ako sa dinagdag na PCS component for balance and spreadability kasi *di talaga maganda ung program ni Alina I'm sorry bb gurl.* And I think it's kind of a good thing that Alina did that kasi wake up call sya for the judges. Ung kay Nathan rin, wakeup call, babawasan nila ng base value ung quads. .-.

[PapiandPooh422]

29 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

1. You actually have a point there.  Di ko sya namention sa rant ko (shared the thread kasi pero niquote ko lang, kausap ko si OP kanina), pero you can never predict what will happen based sa practice. Hindi sya fair basis.

 

2) Nah, I think iba ang transition component sa skating skills. (Baka mali naalala ko, Imma check the handbook later.) But the point stands: you're scoring what the person can do on skates, if you have to score shit sa arm choreography, dapat nasa interpretation component sya, hindi transitions. And the worse thing about this is matagal na syang ginagawa apparently ng mga judges, napansin lang ngayon kasi Junior Worlds ngayon. Apparently, a skater had high points for transition eh nagpose lang sya don at nagmukhang dancing groot (yung nga tela na tao na may e-fan sa ilalim kaya "sumasayaw"). I swear nagblow up ang twitter dash ko nung time na yon. .-.

 

3) Di naman siguro fair na tanggalin ung 1.1x multiplier for the second half, kapagod rin kaya ung programs. Pero natuwa talaga ako sa dinagdag na PCS component for balance and spreadability kasi *di talaga maganda ung program ni Alina I'm sorry bb gurl.* And I think it's kind of a good thing that Alina did that kasi wake up call sya for the judges. Ung kay Nathan rin, wakeup call, babawasan nila ng base value ung quads. .-.

You can combust at practice and do amazing in the competition. You can also do amazing at practice and crash and burn when you needed to shine most. Hindi mo kailangang patunayan ang worth mo sa isang practice lang. Shine when you needed it the most. As simple as that. 

 

Yes, I think I'm mistaken there. But still hindi ko pa rin matanggap na iko-consider nila na transition ang arm movements. I mean, come on. Eh di sana di na lang nagskate ang mga skaters. Tumayo na lang sila sa gitna saka kumumpas-kumpas, Perfect 10, +5 GOE! And I know na ginagawa na nila to dati pa. Pero ngayong they officially announced that rule, wala nang taguan to, lantaran na. Susmaryosep, patawarin. 

 

Siguro nga di fair, pero sana naman I-require nila na mag-jump ng isa o dalawa man lang sa first half ng program. Ang 10% kaya nandyan, ini-aaward sa skaters dahil mahirap at nakakapagod mag-jump sa second half pag di na fresh ang legs mo. Pero pag di ka naman nag-jump di ba parang non-sense. Oo, nag-skate ka. You made your transitions, some spins here and there, but iba yung strain na ginagawa ng jumps sa legs. Ang nakakalungkot lang talaga, kelangan pa mangyari yung mga "bagay" na to para "matauhan" (sana ) ang ISU. 

[OhYuzu]

57 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Update sa ISU scoring... grabe dami nilang pinatatamaan. 

 

https://twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/970546318241230848?s=20

 

10 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

1. You actually have a point there.  Di ko sya namention sa rant ko (shared the thread kasi pero niquote ko lang, kausap ko si OP kanina), pero you can never predict what will happen based sa practice. Hindi sya fair basis.

 

2) Nah, I think iba ang transition component sa skating skills. (Baka mali naalala ko, Imma check the handbook later.) But the point stands: you're scoring what the person can do on skates, if you have to score shit sa arm choreography, dapat nasa interpretation component sya, hindi transitions. And the worse thing about this is matagal na syang ginagawa apparently ng mga judges, napansin lang ngayon kasi Junior Worlds ngayon. Apparently, a skater had high points for transition eh nagpose lang sya don at nagmukhang dancing groot (yung nga tela na tao na may e-fan sa ilalim kaya "sumasayaw"). I swear nagblow up ang twitter dash ko nung time na yon. .-.

 

3) Di naman siguro fair na tanggalin ung 1.1x multiplier for the second half, kapagod rin kaya ung programs. Pero natuwa talaga ako sa dinagdag na PCS component for balance and spreadability kasi *di talaga maganda ung program ni Alina I'm sorry bb gurl.* And I think it's kind of a good thing that Alina did that kasi wake up call sya for the judges. Ung kay Nathan rin, wakeup call, babawasan nila ng base value ung quads. .-.

Sumasakit na nag ulo ko binabasa ko pa lang. Naiinis lang ako, 

 

Regarding sa Official Practice, *sighs* bakit kaya di na lang nila titigan ng maiigi at mabuti at mag score ng fair para hindi na nila baguhin yung buong system na nagsosound as foolish lang. 

 

 

Yung sa may "arm movements are considered transitions" sana considered din nila yung factor na kung mahirap ba or puro crossovers and easy stuff lang. 

Sana kung gagamitin nila ito as bullet to score transition. Sana maging fair sila (pero wtf that's like daydreaming)

buti sana kung ang mangyayare eh, si Skater A na merong "mahirap" na transitions with good arm movements eh magkakaroon ng mataas na PCS compared kay Skater B na may arm movements pero relatively easy ang ginagawa. Pero I have a feeling na gagamitin nila itong reason na ito para iblow up yung PCS ng iba. 

I also agree with hyperbiellmann, ilagay nila sa interpretation yun at wag sa skating skills!

 

About the bonus points, nakakapagod nga yung programs, ang problema kasi nawawala na yung balance ng program dahil ginagamit nila to the fullest yung points. Feeling ko naman wala na masyadong backloading sa mga programs next season dahil sa changes na ginawa nila.

 

Sana kasi, yung ISU magbigay na lang ng crash course sa judges on how to judge fairly kasi yun lang naman talaga ang solution. Kung panget and corrupt ganun pa din.

 

Also, @HyperBiellmann

may twitter ka? Can I follow you? 

 

[HyperBiellmann]

13 minutes ago, OhYuzu said:

Sana kasi, yung ISU magbigay na lang ng crash course sa judges on how to judge fairly kasi yun lang naman talaga ang solution. Kung panget and corrupt ganun pa din.

 

Also, @HyperBiellmann

may twitter ka? Can I follow you? 

 

Beshie screw crash courses, may handbook sila (may kopya nga ako nung rubrics chart nila eh) na sobrang daling irefer to. Hindi ko alam kung anong excuse nila.

 

Meron, shet, haha kaso real life account ko rin yon. PM mo ako kung keri mong makakita ng ibang stuff haha. (I basura everywhere, no SNS is safe.)

[PapiandPooh422]

22 minutes ago, OhYuzu said:

About the bonus points, nakakapagod nga yung programs, ang problema kasi nawawala na yung balance ng program dahil ginagamit nila to the fullest yung points. Feeling ko naman wala na masyadong backloading sa mga programs next season dahil sa changes na ginawa nila.

Yes din to this. Yun iba na nakaka-usap ko ang opinion nila Alina and her team "gamed the system" and unfortunately, not in a good way. Unfortunately din sa kanila, may isa ding gamer ng system na ito, and a very good one at that. And if you're thinking of Yuzu and his team, correct. He also backloads his programs. Doing 2 3As in the second half of his program, one in combination. And does his artistry and balance of his program suffer with it? No, not one bit. Kaya sila naco-compare. Sana naman with this changes, maayos ang lahat. Pero guys, remember, masakit umasa.

[OhYuzu]

14 minutes ago, PapiandPooh422 said:

Yes din to this. Yun iba na nakaka-usap ko ang opinion nila Alina and her team "gamed the system" and unfortunately, not in a good way. Unfortunately din sa kanila, may isa ding gamer ng system na ito, and a very good one at that. And if you're thinking of Yuzu and his team, correct. He also backloads his programs. Doing 2 3As in the second half of his program, one in combination. And does his artistry and balance of his program suffer with it? No, not one bit. Kaya sila naco-compare. Sana naman with this changes, maayos ang lahat. Pero guys, remember, masakit umasa.

Cause Yuzu and his team calculates everything and tries to do thw best they can na hindi nag-gigive up ng quality sa skating, artistry and transitions. I cannot express how thankful ako kay Yuzu at sa team niya dahil doon. He was considered a jumping bean before, like nung Sochi days pero te, nagimprove si siya, di lang sa jumps pero sa PCS side din. 

 

I also admire yung thinking ni Yuzu na kung gagawin niya yung jump dapat hindi lang yung magawa at maland lang, kundi he'll make it as beautiful and full of steps in and out. I just hope na naawardan siya ng points for that, but  that'll never happen I guess. 

[HyperBiellmann]

21 minutes ago, PapiandPooh422 said:

Yes din to this. Yun iba na nakaka-usap ko ang opinion nila Alina and her team "gamed the system" and unfortunately, not in a good way. Unfortunately din sa kanila, may isa ding gamer ng system na ito, and a very good one at that. And if you're thinking of Yuzu and his team, correct. He also backloads his programs. Doing 2 3As in the second half of his program, one in combination. And does his artistry and balance of his program suffer with it? No, not one bit. Kaya sila naco-compare. Sana naman with this changes, maayos ang lahat. Pero guys, remember, masakit umasa.

Imho it's really okay to backload jumps kapag SP kasi maikli lang ung time frame, transitions and artistry won't suffer if you put all three jumps plus 1 spin sa last 1.5 minutes. Si Satoko, alam kong nagbackload sa Memoirs of a Geisha SP nya eh, nagsuffer lang PCS nya kasi for some reason laging underscored ang Japanese. Si Zhenya rin, backloaded rin ung Nocturne SP nya, matino naman ang itsura. (Alina's SP is also backloaded, pero kinukwestyon ko ang WR, kasi ano yung mga sipa na yon? Maganda sya sa ballet, hindi sa yelo. .-.)

 

Kung free skate, jusmiyo, please no, wag mo ilagay lahat ng talon within 2 minutes. See the spreadability? 3 jumps in 1.5 minutes is 1 jump per 30 seconds. 7 jumps plus 3 spins in 2 minutes, yung siguro 10 seconds to accelerate eh di naman sya Yuzu na kung san na lang nanggaling ang speed. Nakakastress. Oo nakanganga ka kasi 3Lz3Lo pero nakakastress. Yung Hope and Legacy nung Worlds, mygahd, 5 jumps lang ang backloaded. At least spread out ung elements don

[PapiandPooh422]

33 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Imho it's really okay to backload jumps kapag SP kasi maikli lang ung time frame, transitions and artistry won't suffer if you put all three jumps plus 1 spin sa last 1.5 minutes. Si Satoko, alam kong nagbackload sa Memoirs of a Geisha SP nya eh, nagsuffer lang PCS nya kasi for some reason laging underscored ang Japanese. Si Zhenya rin, backloaded rin ung Nocturne SP nya, matino naman ang itsura. (Alina's SP is also backloaded, pero kinukwestyon ko ang WR, kasi ano yung mga sipa na yon? Maganda sya sa ballet, hindi sa yelo. .-.)

 

Kung free skate, jusmiyo, please no, wag mo ilagay lahat ng talon within 2 minutes. See the spreadability? 3 jumps in 1.5 minutes is 1 jump per 30 seconds. 7 jumps plus 3 spins in 2 minutes, yung siguro 10 seconds to accelerate eh di naman sya Yuzu na kung san na lang nanggaling ang speed. Nakakastress. Oo nakanganga ka kasi 3Lz3Lo pero nakakastress. Yung Hope and Legacy nung Worlds, mygahd, 5 jumps lang ang backloaded. At least spread out ung elements don

Hay, forever akong iiyak for my J Ladies, Satton, Waka! Hanggang ngayon, di ko pa rin matanggap na hindi si Satton ang Pinaka mataas ang PCS sa Olympics. BAKIT!? PAANO!? . Okay lang talaga pag sa SP. Kasi maigsi lang ang time. Pero kapag may K ka na mag-captivate ng audience kahit di ka natalon, you can pull it through. Kudos for Satoko and Evgenia for doing just that. (Di na ako magco-comment sa movements ni Alina kasi, ang sakit sa eyes at sa brain, I cannot. 🤦) 

 

Pero pag sa FS mo ginawa ang super backload (super ang tawag ko kasi may backload namang matino), ay talaga namang. Para lang the boat is sinking. Kitang-kitang di balance. Pati ang nangyayari lagi syang naghahabol sa timing kaya ang frantic na ng movements nya. At ako lang ba ang di convinced sa 3Lz-3Lo nya? Kasi ang wobbly nung landing. Napapapikit talaga ako kasi feeling ko parang bibigay yung legs nya. 

 

H&L is a masterpiece! Sobrang nakaka-touch. Di ko maipaliwanag thru words. The jumps, the spins, athleticism and artistry combined! It's perfect! 

[OhYuzu]

15 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Imho it's really okay to backload jumps kapag SP kasi maikli lang ung time frame, transitions and artistry won't suffer if you put all three jumps plus 1 spin sa last 1.5 minutes. Si Satoko, alam kong nagbackload sa Memoirs of a Geisha SP nya eh, nagsuffer lang PCS nya kasi for some reason laging underscored ang Japanese. Si Zhenya rin, backloaded rin ung Nocturne SP nya, matino naman ang itsura. (Alina's SP is also backloaded, pero kinukwestyon ko ang WR, kasi ano yung mga sipa na yon? Maganda sya sa ballet, hindi sa yelo. .-.)

 

Kung free skate, jusmiyo, please no, wag mo ilagay lahat ng talon within 2 minutes. See the spreadability? 3 jumps in 1.5 minutes is 1 jump per 30 seconds. 7 jumps plus 3 spins in 2 minutes, yung siguro 10 seconds to accelerate eh di naman sya Yuzu na kung san na lang nanggaling ang speed. Nakakastress. Oo nakanganga ka kasi 3Lz3Lo pero nakakastress. Yung Hope and Legacy nung Worlds, mygahd, 5 jumps lang ang backloaded. At least spread out ung elements don

Yung back loaded na free skate lang din ang nakakawindang. Nakakastress kasi after nung mark, sige talon na lang lahat. Nakakawindang nga yung H&L ni Yuzu jusko isama mo pa yung mga yolo niya pag feel niya. 

Natawa lang ako ng sobra dun sa "di naman siya Yuzu na kung saan nanggaling ang speed" somewhere sa katawan ni Nyanyu may engine siya for a boost. 

[HyperBiellmann]

1 minute ago, PapiandPooh422 said:

Pero pag sa FS mo ginawa ang super backload (super ang tawag ko kasi may backload namang matino), ay talaga namang. Para lang the boat is sinking. Kitang-kitang di balance. Pati ang nangyayari lagi syang naghahabol sa timing kaya ang frantic na ng movements nya. At ako lang ba ang di convinced sa 3Lz-3Lo nya? Kasi ang wobbly nung landing. Napapapikit talaga ako kasi feeling ko parang biblical yung legs nya. 

 

H&L is a masterpiece! Sobrang nakaka-touch. Di ko maipaliwanag thru words. The jumps, the spins, athleticism and artistry combined! It's perfect! 

Kebs lang ako sa 3Lz-3Lo nya. Maybe that was just a bad day. Grabe  ung practice nya eh, 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo. Sumasakit balakang ko pag naaalala ko yon, swear. Pero maganda ung technique nya. Yun lang, baka ung time constraint kaya di nya mastick ung landing nang sobrang malinis. .-.

 

Dibaaaaaaa, maniniwala ka bang may mga hater na nagsasabing parang binigay lang basta ng judges ung WR sa H&L like EXCUSE ME DID YOU SEE HOW CLEAN AND FLOWING IT WAS.

 

5 minutes ago, OhYuzu said:

Yung back loaded na free skate lang din ang nakakawindang. Nakakastress kasi after nung mark, sige talon na lang lahat. Nakakawindang nga yung H&L ni Yuzu jusko isama mo pa yung mga yolo niya pag feel niya. 

Natawa lang ako ng sobra dun sa "di naman siya Yuzu na kung saan nanggaling ang speed" somewhere sa katawan ni Nyanyu may engine siya for a boost. 

Zuzu goes NYOOOOOOOOOOM 

[OhYuzu]

4 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Kebs lang ako sa 3Lz-3Lo nya. Maybe that was just a bad day. Grabe  ung practice nya eh, 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo. Sumasakit balakang ko pag naaalala ko yon, swear. Pero maganda ung technique nya. Yun lang, baka ung time constraint kaya di nya mastick ung landing nang sobrang malinis. .-.

 

Dibaaaaaaa, maniniwala ka bang may mga hater na nagsasabing parang binigay lang basta ng judges ung WR sa H&L like EXCUSE ME DID YOU SEE HOW CLEAN AND FLOWING IT WAS.

 

Zuzu goes NYOOOOOOOOOOM 

Gusto ko din 3Lz-3Lo niya. I actually like loops kapag siya yung 2nd jump. Di ba si Mao may 3F-3Lo? Naalala ko din yung video dati ni Yuzu jumping a 3A-2Lo 

 

H&L ahhh, buti na lang wala pa akong alam sa scoring nung una kong napanuod yun. Kasi sobrang ganda and mukhang effortless all throughout. 

[PapiandPooh422]

18 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Kebs lang ako sa 3Lz-3Lo nya. Maybe that was just a bad day. Grabe  ung practice nya eh, 3Lz-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo-3Lo. Sumasakit balakang ko pag naaalala ko yon, swear. Pero maganda ung technique nya. Yun lang, baka ung time constraint kaya di nya mastick ung landing nang sobrang malinis. .-.

Yun na nga ang nakakatakot eh. Mahirap nang gawin ang combong yun. Bago dadaanin pa sa bilis. Konting sablay lang nya, goodbye balakang ang aabutin nya. Hay, Alina, girl, kung may awa ka sa sarili mo, use your loop with moderation. Kung ayaw mong bakat na ang balakang mo by age 30.

 

22 minutes ago, HyperBiellmann said:

Dibaaaaaaa, maniniwala ka bang may mga hater na nagsasabing parang binigay lang basta ng judges ung WR sa H&L like EXCUSE ME DID YOU SEE HOW CLEAN AND FLOWING IT WAS.

HAH! EXCUSE MWAH! WALA NG ANG KAHIT ISANG +3 GOE YUNG PROGRAM NA YUN EH! AT KITA NAMAN NATIN KUNG PAANO NAG-PERFORM SI YUZU! IT IS UNDERSCORED! DON'T ME! 

G talaga ko pag naalala ko yang mga allegations na yan. 

[HyperBiellmann]

5 minutes ago, OhYuzu said:

Gusto ko din 3Lz-3Lo niya. I actually like loops kapag siya yung 2nd jump. Di ba si Mao may 3F-3Lo? Naalala ko din yung video dati ni Yuzu jumping a 3A-2Lo 

 

H&L ahhh, buti na lang wala pa akong alam sa scoring nung una kong napanuod yun. Kasi sobrang ganda and mukhang effortless all throughout. 

Same, bano ako sa second jump ay 2Lo or 3Lo kasi how do you keep your foot from becoming the free leg? My instincts are blown.

 

Jumps lang ang alam ko nung time na yon kung pano iscore kasi YOI haha.