Jump to content

Anki

Members
  • Content Count

    14
  • Joined

  • Last visited

About Anki

  • Rank
    Mushroom

Personal Info

  • Country
    Australia

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    The size of the Japanese market for figure skating vs the rest of the world is probably another reason there is little need for Yuzu to extend his fame beyond Asia. Japan is probably by far the biggest market for figure skating now - you see other countries skaters flooding into Japan to earn money from Japanese ice shows but not the other way round. Wasn't the rating for Yuzu's segment of the Olympics like 46%, and it was midday not even during prime time? that is like half of Japan watching his wining moment. The average rating of Japan's World cup game is around the same figure . If I recall correctly, the worlds and GP series where Yuzu competed can have average ratings of 20-30% (even during midnight hours), whereas the ones where he didn't compete (such as GPF 17 and Worlds 18) had on average single digit rating to 10+%. So whilst Japan loves figure skating in general, a lot of the popularity also is in Yuzu himself as a person that cannot be passed on to another skater even from his own country. I remember Yuzu's childhood coach telling him to not be the coach of a particular skater in the future, but rather be in a role of a producer in spreading the popularity of the sport. For my own selfish reasons, I hope whatever he comes up with after he retires (be it the opening of a skating school or developing skating shows) cost a lot of money so he is forced to be more active active commercially and appear on a lot of Japanese TV shows . Cause Japan has a lot of wacky and funny game and TV shows that i am dying for Yuzu to appear on one day when he has time. He is pretty quick-witted and has such exaggerated reactions and expressions that he will be comedy gold on those shows.
  2. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    The answer to that would be Yuzu hasn't signed with any big agency. A lot of skater's fame are also due to their agency's heavy promotion in the media, creating buzz, sporting rivalries, and extending their commercial activities. If he had signed with a big international sport agency like IMG, given his achievements, they would have made the whole world know him as the GOAT by now. Those earnings ranking publications also get their data from agencies, hence you would not see Yuzu in one - how much he earns only he and the tax office knows. Yuzu achieved his fame and popularity of today without any agencies' help, so imagine what it would have been like if he had an agency that promoted him further. But I can understand why Yuzu doesn't want an agent given he likes to be in control of his life. As someone whose job previously had some association with agents, sponsors and celebrities, I can tell once you sign with one, you have no freedom - they dictate what you say and do in the public, and how to run your career. Judging from internet activities and attendance at competitions and ice shows, if we are talking about the amount of dedicated fans that will follow him around the world, I think Yuzu beats Yuna in that respect, even if comparing across the two eras. Not to say he has reached a certain level of popularity in China like no other skater has, which is new potentially big market, with next Olympic at Beijing. It is a pity he doesn't try to commercialise on his fame as much as he can, but also remember a lot of sponsors add extra pressure on the skater and distract them from their skating with commercial activities. I think Yuna is a rare case of where extreme commercialisation of her fame hasn't affected her performance much, but there are many times where too much pre-Olympic puff and pressure end up costing the gold medal - Michelle Kwan and Mao Asada are examples that come to mind. In that way I think Yuzu's has been clever in taking the minimum amount of sponsorship to earn enough for himself but not so much it affects his focus on skating After his PC win, he, as far as we know, hasn't take up a single new advertisement, despite based on Japanes news, the amount of money Japanese companies are willing to pay him is top tier, not just amongst athletes, but all Japanese public figures. That is a crazy demonstration of having no interest in money if you ask me - most Olympic winners go crazy on trying to cash out their title as much as they can. But I wouldn't be surprised any sponsor that signs him now would require a commitment to not retire by a certain time, which is probably why he didn't take up any - I am sure Yuzu wants to run the rest of his career on his own terms.
  3. Anki

    [2018] CS ACI Men - Short Program

    I wouldn't be surprised that is how Yuzu also feel. He was going to be zen for a while but judges may have accidentally turned on the "ON" button earlier than he planned... we will see tomorrow. Putting judging aside, if this is first pancake, we are in for a treat this year for the SP. Also I giggled a bit when Ted said "the greatest [oops], one of the greatest figure skater, and certainly of modern times". It's like he accidentally let out what he really thought before he remembered to be more politically correct. Maybe to Japan he is a motivator. But outside of one other skater, Japan never has much influence over marks - you only need to look at the ladies for that. For other countries, and two countries in particular, he is nothing more than an obstacle. And it has backfired for those two countries, very recently too.
  4. Anki

    [2018] CS ACI Men - Short Program

    No, Olympic medalists usually gets a boost in scoring not the other way round - if they had shown a desire to continue a fair bit of time. What's really hurting Yuzu's marks right now is the fact that he has somehow telegraphed he could be retiring anytime. ISU is unwilling to invest in someone that may leave soon, such that they have more incentive to undermark Yuzu so younger skaters who are staying can look like they are close to or better than him. Also I was a bit worried when Yuzu kept saying he isn't fixated on marks or world records now. I know he may actually feel that way, but it probably shouldn't be said out loud, as his own federation and the judges response can come around as if you don't want it, then we won't give it to you.
  5. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    I am sure his main motivation for jumping the 4A is childhood dream. But it is also, at least for this season, the most realistic replacement for his temporary missing 4Lz, to keep him a step ahead of his competitors. Being first men to jump 4A is itself a record, and the marks record may follow it too. So the dream and his desire to win/break records are not mutually exclusive. They actually all tie in nicely together for him this season hence why he is insistent on jumping it now and not later. BTW whilst the ISU made the 4A totally not points worthy (gotta wonder why right after Yuzu announce he is doing it ), it also gives little to no motivation for other top skaters to learn it, as they're better off learning/stabilising the 4Lz. Which can allow Yuzu to make the 4A his signature jump for awhile (I am sure he would love that), and not something a dozen other men ( and girl) can do like the 4Lz, thus reducing its wow factor (remember how when 4Lz was like Boyang's signature jump... now that is hardly the case with all the men and even girl prioritising that jump) .
  6. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    The way Yuzu seems to be thinking now reminds me of when I finished my university entrance exam getting out of high school. To get into the course at my desired university, and also because I'm just a really competitive person, I tried to be at the top of all my courses at high school. When I got the offer, I felt a huge sense achievement, and immediately thought I have no pressure to be top now, as a university degree is the same regardless of whether you are top of the class or tenth in the class, so I can chill and enjoy things I didn't have time before. But that zen mode lasted only like 1 month of starting the semester the moment exams began the " I must be top" instinct immediately took over despite the logical me keeps saying "just chill, it doesn't matter any more" . So I highly doubt Yuzu can keep his urge to always win or break records down for long after season starts, despite what he says now. Not to say I don't think in reality he will feel any less pressure than before. The biggest pressure will probably still be from himself to maintain his pride as 2X Olympic champion. The fact he is learning the 4A ( and hinting the Quint too) suggests to me he does not predict nor wishes for the younger generation to surpass him, not even in BV, or at least TES. Sure in the far future a great skater that may surpass him could emerge. But for the current young generation he is competing against, he isn't going to be easily acceptive of that happening. I think in the post-Olympic conference a journalist asked him whether the younger skaters ( I think he was referring to Shoma) tried jumping harder quads at the Olympic to try surpass him or something like that. and Yuzu's response was along the lines of "I don't think he was trying to surpass me, but just trying to get closer" (I take this to be his nice way of saying "Surpass me? no way, don't even think about it" .
  7. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    I'm sure Johnny Weir had some influence on his fashion sense, but I wonder if he also gets it from what he sees on TV? I watch some Japanese shows and TV, and Johnny's Entertainment boybands and actors are everywhere. Compared to large amounts of feathers, furs, SUPER-bling, glitter, ruffles, draperies, in your face and just "WHAT the??" costumes I have endured from Johnny's talents over the years, Yuzu's costume are almost normal to me. The very first program of Yuzu I saw was R&J 2 , and I didn't find the costumes to be out of the ordinary. It was only later when I read people's complaints about boob skirts and that I went back and realised "oh there is actually lace on it" (I didn't even register the first time lol). I have always wondered at the Japanese boyband costumes, but then maybe girls actually like it? Many years ago I went on exchange to Japan high school for a month, and the excessive amount of bling and rhinestones encrusted on the girls' mobile phones and accessories shocked me - like just soooo much. Also the English teacher there was shocking too. I only knew very basic Japanese and I understood the Japanese teacher better than the English teacher (her grammar and accent made no sense to me, and English is my first language ) Hence, I completely understand Hanyu's English struggle if that was what he had to grow up with...
  8. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    Like I can understand Olympic being more important because it only occurs every 4 years (anything that is rarer is more valuable) and is watched by the whole world and not just skating fans. The stake of the nation's pride is much more higher than any other events. There are country's officials whose job depends on medal count ! Whereas the regularity of Worlds and GPF is the same (if you miss one year, can always try next year), the audience is the same, skaters are representing their country in both, so the only reason I can see one being regarded as much more important than the other is just because of historical prestige reasons. Just saying because when people compare skaters achievement, GPF is never really considered despite the grueling process required to actually win this, so its kinda disheartening for the skater..
  9. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    Olympic gold is worth about 4 Worlds gold just by regularity and the extra amount of pressure skaters have to endure ( I know fans of skaters who never won Olympic and only Worlds love to argue against that), but that is how it is reflected in the skating world. I recall Shizuka saying that she originally wanted to retire when she won Worlds but she did not get much pay-rise at the ice shows. Because of that she continued on to go to the Olympics, and after she won, the pay rise was huge. And if you look at the title of skaters on the Japanese ice shows, if a skater has an Olympic silver or bronze, they get introduced as such even if they had won World gold. Hence, at least in Japan, any Olympic medal is worth more than Worlds gold. Hence the lack of a Olympic medal at Sochi is why Javi never was seen as to be in an equal rivalry with Yuzu the way Yagudin/Plushenko or Yuna/Mao was. Consecutively just sounds good I guess - has a more ring to it. Compared to that I don't understand why people place more value on Patrick's 3 consecutive World wins than Yuzu's 4 consecutive GPF wins - I understand World still has higher legacy prestige than GPF due to its longer history, but in reality winning the GPF is no less harder than World - the pressure is the same for both - in fact GPF is harder because you have to prove yourself over three events, such that the winner is less likely to be a "just happen to have a good day" type of winner. Hopefully after GPF has a longer history its prestige increases.
  10. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    He actually doesn't know how to ride a bike, he said so at the JoC or JSF ceremony this year - which immediately made headline news lol the News article said that only around 1% of Japanese can't ride a bike. I guess he is the special 1% after all. To me this is weirder than he can't swim, although i am pretty sure he will learn quickly if he tried - I am guessing he is scared of injuring or twisting his ankle in any way in riding a bike that is probably why he never tried
  11. Anki

    General Yuzuru Chat

    Isn't the main reason for Yuzu's lack of political support Shirota? Otherwise there would have been no reason JSF would not have given him full support towards achieving double Olympic Champion - that would have been huge for Japan and he isn't even at the age where he needs to pass the baton to the younger generation.. plenty of male skaters skate till they are 27 or 28. I often wonder whether his skating career would have been easier if he wasn't associated with Shirota - but then he wouldn't have moved to TCC (although even if he did not go, I am sure he would still have had a stellar career , but whether the stars would have aligned for a double Olympic gold may be a different story ) But on the flip side the reason Hanyu is so strong and a well-rounder is because he knows he has no one to rely upon other than himself - he basically have to do 110% for the judges to award him 100%, hence he is never complacent. This season he will probably be one of the skaters most vulnerable to the judging - despite the fact he hasn't ruled out Beijing, other than his fans, most people and maybe JSF and ISU too, seem to think he won't stay the full quad - which means they are desperate to create a new "idol" to fill in the void when he does leave. and unfortunately the only way they can think of is by having someone beat him.
  12. hmm only had time to catch up with the JGP right now, and going through the earlier comments. I have read both here and on GS that young skaters should be taught correct technique earlier because they are less likely to get injured. On the injury point, I actually think its the opposite - injury is more likely doing a quality jump than a pre-rotated or cheated one. The skater jumping higher and rotating more in the air will suffer a bigger impact hitting the ice. They also have to train harder to obtain the correct technique, which also increases injury rate in training. Yuzu is injured more frequently than other male skaters exactly because he is trying to learn the right way and not taking short cuts. Thus, there is little incentive for young skaters from powerful Feds these days to jump correctly. Why risk injury trying to learn proper techniques, when judges will reward you anyway? I keep hearing arguments that this is the judges' fault, don't blame the skater but that only works the first time. If they do keep showing up with incorrect technique knowing they will get rewarded, then they are equally at fault. It's like a student who cheated in an exam but the teacher turned a blind eye and continued that practice. I think most people would not say only the teacher is at fault here. And to be honest, the judges aren't doing them any favour in the long term, because they become reliant on judges' support. There might be short-term gains and titles, but when a better 'cheater' or skater with proper skills from their own Fed shows up, the judges' alliance can immediately change. That is what happened to Medvedeva. By the time it was apparent, it was too late to change.
  13. Wow, I was looking for activities to do in Helsinki and wanted to go on a husky or reindeer sled ride but most operators were far north and only in December. This one actually is near Helsinki and operates in Autumn. Thanks for the link! Now I am thinking should I skip ice dance or add a day to Helsinki. ..
  14. Hi people , I am new Hanyu fan that just bought her first skating competition ticket and was stressing out the whole day lol I only made the decision to go a few days ago given I live so far, all the way down in Australia - in fact this is my first time going to Europe even! I went straight for the first row of F4 area CAT-2 tickets on the judges long side towards the middle and got it straight away with no dramas. But then I realised not much people here were going for the F and E areas to start with. Now I am worried did I buy seats too far back? but first row of F4 is only a row behind the silver seats so the view can't be too bad right? Have people who went before think I actually need binoculars?
×