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22 minutes ago, MatchaBeans said:

 

I don't think so, not even if Yuzu has 5 clean quads including 4A. The BV for 4A is just one point higher than 4Lutz. Nathan is surely going for 5 quads in Worlds and if he goes clean they are 100% going to give it to him, and it will be higher than his GPF19 score. A clean Yuzu can't win against a clean Nathan at this point not because Nate is better, but because ISU wants him to win. It'd be like a Sochi14 Yuna situation or the recent European Champs Ice Dance situation.

It's worse than the yuna situation. People forget yuna could only jump 4 types of triples; sal, toe, flip and lutz.

Yuna could not jump triple loop and took it out for nearly her entire senior career. She has never landed 3lo consistently throughout her entire skating career. She only had 4 triples up her arsenal. Thus she was many points behind in BV than adelina sotnikova at sochi. Not to mention Yuna never had the athletic ability to ever attempt 3A or quads competitively. 

However Yuzu and Nathan's case is VERY different. Yuzu and Nathan can both only jump 4 types of quads and land them consecutively at a high rate at this point. Thus their BV is similar and the amount of quad types they have up their arsenal is the same. 

Seems like they intentionally filmed Yuzu's segment the longest. We need to retweet this tweet loads so their social media manager knows Yuzu is loved 👏👏😎😎

So glad we get to see Yuzu compete in the next decade too!

I am so glad we can see Yuzu compete past the 2020 mark! We are so blessed! Let's enjoy all the time we left we have with Yuzu competing for Japan!

May the next decade be a happy, healthy decade for Yuzu! May he achieve everything he wants to achieve and more, both in his personal life and in his public life!

23 minutes ago, Vadrouille said:

Thank you to reply to my post and explaining the honesty or self-criticism is part of the Japanese culture or their way of talking in public. I respect their culture but I don't agree with it. For me it is negative, self-inflicting pain to say it in public, before the press, the world to hear.

I would prefer he is more restrained when doing press conference. One does not have to undress or barring oneself before the press, discussing each and every weaknesses in detail, knowing that those words will hurt oneself and many people around him. I think that Brian may not like those comments of Yuzuru in his press conference- post competitions, but Brian can't do anything, he can't even advice Yuzuru not to say it like that.

How the judges can think of Yuzuru after hearing themselves in direct so many self-criticism of himself in press conferences post competitions? It is not the way to endearing himself to the judges and the press in general.

My understanding is they adopt his self-criticism and agree with him that he is not a good skater, not a good jumper, that his jumps are not as good as Chen's or Trusova's. The judges don't need emails or politicking against Yuzuru by Chen's supporters or US skating federation. From now on, they will judge Yuzuru harsher than other skaters, they will put him down compared to Chen, or even to Shoma. Plus the tendency of Yuzuru to repeat his music, his programs more that one year or two years, to make his competitive programs a masterpiece, an artwork. The judges don't like to hear the same music many times. They could think that Yuzuru is lazy to learn new programs. Even his Exhibition programs are old, always the same melody, for many years now.

By the way, I have watch the interview of Russian ladies Anna-Alina and Trusova after competitions. They are very good in their answers. One journalist, maybe from Japanese media, asked them what they think about doping scandal, that Russian team may not be permitted to competitions in next Olympics etc... I also heard that Eugenia Med will skate next year, that she will have new Free program skating to Allegria music of Cirque du Soleil. I say good for her, she is brave, beautiful and determined to skate against all the difficulties she has encountered. I like her spirit, no shame, no self-inflicted pain, just being honest and courageous like she is.

 

No offence but sort of criticizing Yuzu's humility and recycling and ending your point with praising Zhenya for trying new programs and for Zhenya being honest, courageous does not sound very good in a Hanyu fan forum. For a split second I thought I was reading a Zhenya fan post in a Zhenya fan forum.... 😟

I know you like Zhenya but criticizing a whole list things about Yuzu and then ending with a whole list of things Zhenya is doing great does not sound very good when they are put together. It almost seems like you are comparing Yuzu with Zhenya and saying Zhenya is better.

Hi guys. Just a quick question

Is "yuzu" and "yuzuru" specifically only a name in japan? 

Like have you guys seen foreigners use that name ever? 

If I ever have a son when I'm older I want to name him "yuzu" or "yuzuru"

But I'm not Japanese. Would that be weird to name your child like that in countries outside japan? 

9 hours ago, monchan said:

This can only apply to ordinary ppl who do sports to improve health w no bad impact to their bodies, and can rest at will to heal when they are injured or tired. Athletes are forced to compete even under injuries (minor or major, visible or invisible) and fatigue. They cant wait to heal properly even if in theory they can heal faster than others. So i dont think its comparable and we need specific research on athletes to examine age and stamina. It will even vary in different sports too.

 

One thing i see thou is many elite athletes suffer bad post-injury illness at their old age and dont live as well as ordinary ppl who got healthy diet and lifestyle.

I'm talking specifically about biological age. As with ankles, I have less clue. The biological age is actually imprinted in the DNA. The information theory of aging suggests that the the information of the DNA is not lost, but as we get older, it is not read in the same way as when we were younger. I am really curious as to what Yuzu's biological age is in regards to this.

He looks much younger than his peers his age. 

10 hours ago, monchan said:

Their ways are easy to figure out. Nathan's is to do little TR and Russian girls'  is to do LOTS of RT, that's it.

 

But one thing I have to emphasize first is, they are YOUNG. Name ONE skater that lands quads consistently at Yuzu's age, there's no one, ever. What Yuzu has to figure out, is not only some "tricks" to land the jumps, but more importantly, he also has to fight against his stamina (decreasing with age) and risk of injuries (increasing with age) to do smt no one has ever done. I don't think he can find answer on those young skaters, yet he still needs to watch everyone to figure out his own path.

Yuzu's age is coming up alot so I am going to have to discuss the biology of aging. 

David sinclair is a Harvard professor of aging. He has published researches on the fact that not all individuals age at the same rate.

Also your chronological age does not automatically equal your biological age. 

The speed of aging of an individual depends on:

1. Genetics

2. How many calories you consume. The less calories you eat, the slower the speed of aging

3. How much exercise you do. (The more the better)

Number 2/3 slows down aging because both activities activate sirtuin pathways, increases the level of NAD in our bodies (one of the main reasons we age is because NAD levels decrease as we age). They also allow us to heal our DNA damage (we accumulate error in our DNA info as we age).

It is also one of the reasons why fasting is healthy; it also raises NAD levels in our body and helps repair damaged DNA info + activates sirtuin pathways.

Thus Yuzu eating less than average people and also exercising more than ever (harder training) is actually helping him retain his youth for much longer than average people.

Ironically, Yuzu attempting to add more quads and training more vigorously than ever is helping him age less faster, not aging him quicker. When your NAD levels rise your body also heals injuries faster. 

Also there is a theory that the reason why Japan has the longest life expectancy in the world may be due to both diet and genetics (ie they might have genes that help them stay youthful for longer. But individual variations always exist. The theory was in terms of "national average" (look up study on okinawan centenarians). 

How I know all this is because I have a biotech research member at a world famous grad school in the family

We may never know what Yuzu's biological age is, but it is typically reflected in a person's appearance. ie if someone "looks younger" they probably are younger biologically. 

love this international fan service 

OMG so elated with the news that google put up Yuzuru Hanyu at Times Square, NYC.

The billboard was on top of the Broadway sign OMG

I definitely think we need to tag Google, or let them know via twitter, facebook, youtube etc

that we really appreciate this and that we want to see more of it.

Also, if people have the time, they can send customer feedback to Google for free to let them know we really appreciate them for putting up Yuzuru Hanyu on the Times Square billboard at NYC

https://www.google.com/tools/feedback/intl/en/

I saw someone saying on twitter, that the more positive feedback and responses they get from this, the more they will keep doing it. 

And I think that is logical. All companies love more attention, and keep doing marketing that has impact or that works.

So please let Google know how we feel about this!

Who knows?

If they keep getting heaps of positive reactions every time they use Yuzuru Hanyu, maybe he will become the Google global ambassador someday lol

Loves Loves

1 hour ago, Maleko said:

 

 

He seems to have lost confidence in himself...

Like J Nats I understand, but GPF should not have been a competition that made Yuzu feel so down. 

Life is strange

When ISU keeps underscoring Yuzuru to make him retire early

it only fires up Yuzu more, thereby, ironically ISU is extending his planned competition life expectancy. 

Wondering if ISU is purposely doing this,

or is unaware of the side effect they are causing. 

20 minutes ago, Lilona said:

Honestly it's crappy comparision bcs it was Rus federation inflation that stops right when she begin to become better but inflation switched to other more younger and more jumpier skaters. It's delight to me to see how she is growing up, improving and fighting even despite the fact that Rus Fed literally gave up on her, but she didn't give up on her FS.

Yuzu opposite and also the same-he is an ephitome of perfection in FS but alas the same as Zhenya without any support from his Fed. And exsactly bcs of that he is struggling that much. Sorry not sorry if he will have even half the support that Shoma is having, he would always win.

I think it also helped Zhenya was almost insanely consistent for the first 2 senior seasons. Insanely consistent. Almost non-human. It was what made her unbeatable for nearly 2 years. Whereas Yuzu has never had 2 seasons where he was always so consistent (probably because Yuzu jumps quads, and it is much harder to be insanely consistent with quads). 

2 hours ago, memae said:

 

Let's not forget all of 2017 too. I know he won WC because he got it together for his FS, but that season was full of trouble. Yuzu's history shows that this happens sometimes. After 10 years, it's the good ones that stand out and get remembered. It's easy to look back now and feel like he's never had a bad run because GPF '15 and Sochi and PC and WC '17 (etc) are so dazzlingly bright in our memories. He's tired, he's had a lot of big flights in just a couple of weeks, and he didn't look well. And cold is bad for asthma - at this time of year he has to contend with that when he's outside of training too because of the weather.  

 

Also, Shoma just had the skate of his life. It's not the best skate he's ever done, sure, but after the season he's had so far it may as well be and I'm sure it felt like it.  

Agreed. To be honest, I would rather stan Yuzu who has ups and downs but still consistently podiums, than stan someone like Zhenya who won nearly every single competition for 2 years straight, and started losing competitions and placing off podiums all of a sudden (I respect her, but just as an analogy)

Yuzu never dominated the senior circuit like Zhenya did during her first 2 senior circuits. Zhenya was almost unbeatable, but Yuzu never was. And that's why I was so attracted to Yuzu, because he seems, real, human, yet electrifying, and brilliant even during his worst days (J Nats SP was awesome!)

And what attracts me to Yuzu is that his life is like a movie. Yes, we have downs, but when he goes up, the high is so high, the winning glory is so dramatic and movie like, that I can forget all the unfair judging and bad competitions of the past, in that glorious moment when he finally wins something BIG. 

I'm talking about Yuzu winning olympics twice and him sometimes skating the skate of his life at 2017 Worlds FS.

It's those moments that erase all the down times with Yuzu for me. Those big moments when he wins. Because it seems he has luck on his side, and also steps it up despite the immense pressure when it comes to the competitions that really matter; the Olympics.  

If Yuzu continues to compete, he will eventually have competitions when he gets silver or maybe even bronze (I hope not). 

But there will always be days when he makes a comeback. I think that is the essence of who Yuzu is. He always comes back from a down time with a  BIG BANG. 

11 hours ago, glilikoi said:

I've been feeling very emotional and mostly sad after today's FS, but in the long run, I think this is just a natural step in the process. Seeing Yuzu be the runner-up twice in a row hurts, but I think in a way losing is good sometimes - the more often Yuzu wins, the more pressure keeps building up, and I think sometimes it gets to unhealthy levels of expectations towards him. He described feeling kind of relieved after Saitama silver (like a bubble of others' and his own expectations had burst), then went back to winning both GPs this autumn, creating a lot of hype - and now losing again, reducing the pressure of huge expectations. Maybe returning to a kind of 'underdog' position is good sometimes. Especially if Yuzu does keep working towards Beijing, I feel that it's natural to have a kind of a low ebb (or several) during an Olympic cycle.

 

Yuzu doesn't need to win all the time and that's obviously not why we support him. I don't even really care about the results, I just want to see good skating - but I know Yuzu cares, and it makes me sad to see him be so hard on himself. So watching the FS today was rough. I also felt the scoring was blatantly favourable to Shoma, who had lots of issues here and there as well. But this wasn't as bad as GPF - Shoma wasn't overscored to the ridiculous extent Nathan was, and the selection of 4CC and Worlds teams seemed pretty fair (for the women as well). 

 

This is obviously just speculation and kind of pointless to say, but I have a feeling Yuzu may have had a bad asthma attack or other health issue sometime between GPF and travelling to Japan. It seems a lot of little signs are there. He looked extremely tired and had deep dark circles under his eyes - this isn't the first time we've seen jet lagged, sleep-deprived or anxious Yuzu, but I don't remember seeing such dark circles before. Of course it could be he's just getting older and slower at adapting to jet lag, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was an effect of him still recovering from a health issue. He was also apparently wearing an additional health monitor he doesn't usually wear, his breathing after the FS seemed worse than after the five-quad effort at the GPF, and Brian mentioned this having been a "tough week". It might also explain why Yuzu was travelling to Japan so late. I don't think he would talk about it because he hates making excuses, but it seems to me that this wasn't just regular exhaustion/jet lag, but the after-effect of an asthma attack (or possibly influenza or something similar). I remember he had a bad asthma attack a couple of weeks before Helsinki Worlds - maybe this time, it happened closer to the competition so the pattern of recovery was different. But yeah, this is kind of empty speculation since we haven't heard anything from Yuzu himself..

Of course, it's also possible that he really was just physically too tired from having to adapt to this extremely demanding schedule for the first time in a few years. 

 

In any case, I'm glad he's going to 4CC and that there should be enough time to rest and recover. I do think that it makes a lot of sense to go, to do a test-run of the Worlds layout and (heaven forbid..) possibly the 4A, as he said himself. For now, I hope he can just rest and enjoy a quiet new year's with his loved ones. This has been a tough season, but all things considered, he's done amazingly well, and I'm so proud to be his fan. 

I completely agree. The media treated Yuzu as if the 2018 Olympic gold medal made Yuzuru invincible. Also the fact that Yuzu won all the Grand Prixs except GPF after PC olympics solidified the narrative around his "invincible" status. He has been so consistent after PC olympics, way better than he was before PC olympics in terms of consistency. But sometimes Yuzu is human too.

What I didn't like is how some media reacted to his Silver at Saitama Worlds, Torino GPF and 2019 Nationals.

Yuzu has always won 2 silver medals per season before PC olympics, but somehow they act as if ***************SHOCK*******************

"The 2 time olympic champion GOAT can get silver in a competition?!!!!!!!!"

Ah no........ like he has always won silver medals before and it's not because he is getting "older per say"

If you followed Yuzu for long, you will know that he sometimes even got bronze occasionally and that sometimes he skates like

2012 Skate America FS (bombed)

2014 CoC FS (after injury, so perfectly understandable that he bombed)

2019 J Nationals FS (bombed)

He's also bombed some Skate Canada and ACI free skates in the past even when he was at the "prime age of early 20s"

he also was setting World Records at GPF in 2015, but not being as good at Boston worlds when he was in his early 20s. 

so older age is not the main factor he bombed J Nats yesterday

it's just Yuzu. He always has ups and downs like everybody else, and guess what

A SILVER MEDAL IS FRICKIN BRILLIANT, some of them act like Yuzu placed off the podium or won bronze or something

I wouldn't mind if Yuzu ever gets bronze before he retires, but the media (especially some Japanese media) will blow it out of proportion and act as if Yuzu is "falling" blah blah, that he is now a bronze medalist (if he ever gets one, I hope not)

I wish Yuzu competed for the joy of skating and lay aside the crazy expectations, but Yuzu will always be Yuzu: he skates to win.

I just hope the media and some fans let Yuzu sometimes win silver or bronze before he retires and be chill with it. Congratulate him for medaling even after all his successes in figure skating. (As long as the judging is fair, I don't mind Yuzu not winning to be honest)

And I hope Yuzu can sometimes be okay with it too (I guess he is though for now). 

2 hours ago, ZuCritter said:

This graph, which shows only the GOEs for jumps (rather than all elements) is even more damning. There is NO WAY the ISU can defend or justify the insane increase in Nathan's scores. I just hope someone forces them to address the issue.

We need a Fanyu Koola King to make this graph very public on Youtube.

It is a shocking graph. 

3 hours ago, airi said:

He also said that he want to compete more with Nathan and others, that he will go to Beijing if he feels he could win(*he may indeed feel he can't if he's clean and lose against Nathan, but it's quite a while to Beijing still, million things happen in the middle of Olympic cycle), that he wants to do all the quads in competition etc. He says different things, fans exaggerate anything he says these days. My opinion is he himself doesn't know yet, that is what all he's been saying suggest.

And as I said 'candle burn the brightest...' quote is very nerdy of Yuzu, lol. And does anyone doubt he will go out with a bang when it's time?

Agreed. I almost think we shouldn't say Yuzu is retiring unless he himself announces so. When he does he will hold a retirement press conference.

Also I remember Yuzu saying male athletes peak near 30 in 2017. We never know, but each season with him is precious so can we please stop repeating the "retirement" word unless it is absolutely certain? 

1 minute ago, airi said:

What recently said suggest retiring after Worlds? I mean, that could happen for different reasons, but why being open to go to 4CC makes it more possible? One has nothing to do with other imo.

I agree. If he wants to do 4CC it is because he loves competing...not because he wants to retire. Retirement is a sensitive topic to fanyus and I feel some just blurt it out without much thought..

14 minutes ago, MatchaBeans said:

Sounds like he's open to going to 4CC. It feels more and more like he's wrapping up with Worlds 2020. This might be the third to last time we get to see him compete. I wanna cry... ...  but whatever makes you happy Yuzu   

Hmmm he did say he wants to jump all quads in one program and that it is his dream.. So I won't think he is retiring yet... 

Just now, shanshani said:

omg please. I'm on leave during that time, I have tickets, and I won't have to fly halfway around the world. 

Just booked tickets after this.

But I just checked the site and all the gold tickets are sold out...

Hurry guys

The good seats are almost gone

「とりあえずは大きな怪我なくこなすというのが一番だと自分の中では言い続けています。もちろん、世界選手権とか四大陸の選考会というのもあるので、あの、いい演技したいって気持ちも強くありますけど、まずは体調をしっかり大事にして、その上で最大限の実力を発揮できるように、ここでいい演技ができるように、いろいろ頑張ります」

Yuzu just mentioned he wants to be healthy in order to compete at Worlds and 4CC. He's planning to go to 4CC! 

https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/12/18/kiji/20191218s00079000286000c.html?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

19 minutes ago, GraceAndPower said:

Does anyone know what this is / where it came from?

 

 

Spirit of the Athletes and NNN documentary??? I guess so

1 hour ago, sallycinnamon said:

New Lotte clear files. 

The costume is less bothering to me than the amount of photoshop they use for these Lotte pictures. Yuzu has perfect facial features,  why so much photoshop then? 

 

 

I don't like the costume, but I think Yuzu might suit skating to "Prince of Persia Soundtrack" or "Aladdin" or "Mask of Zorro" wearing something like this

1 hour ago, Henni147 said:

 

Yes, the comment section played the key role in this.

Without the comments most people wouldn't have paid any attention to those two seconds in the clip. They wouldn't know until today who Yuzuru Hanyu is and where exactly you could find him in the clip.

The sheer mass of comments with admiration, happy memories and impressive facts about Yuzu made all these people curious.

 

However, without these two seconds there wouldn't be any comments and the whole thing wouldn't have got rolling in the first place. So Google's decision to include Yuzu with the caption: "super heroes that can fly" was spot on.

I'm waiting for the day when Times finally takes notice of Yuzuru Hanyu and include him in the "Time's most Influential 100 of the Year" List one day

Who are athletes in Japan most likely to be the final torch bearer at 2020 olympics?