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[2018/19] European Championships (21.01-27.01) - Men SP & FS

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3 hours ago, kaeryth said:

 

"I already have my eye on him." - Good taste, Javi! Kevin Aymoz would wow in any ice show I think. 

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On 1/26/2019 at 2:07 PM, sallycinnamon said:

It's ridiculous but Javi's PCS is very generous, too. Highest PCS of the season, even higher than Yuzu's. It has always been like this with judging at Europeans uh.

The judges found theirselves in a quandary after Samarin's 88. It would have been blasphemous to give Javi the same score, since their skating and artistic skills are simply incomparable. I'm still facepalming about the judging at Euros (not to mention various Nationals).

 

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2 hours ago, Henni147 said:

The judges found theirselves in a quandary after Samarin's 88. It would have been blasphemous to give Javi the same score, since their skating and artistic skills are simply incomparable. I'm still facepalming about the judging at Euros (not to mention various Nationals).

 

tho while the judging at Nats has been way way crazier that I expected, the Euros inflation is actually more worrying to me. The scores are official. They count for SB. They count for spots and assignments. AND they count going into WC.

It will be interesting to see how the scoring goes at 4CC, but I think the scoring is usually tamer than Euros, at least that's my impression. It looks like euros inflation is "tradition".

If true, maybe it's because 4CC doesn't have the same "prestige", or maybe because there are too many big feds with different interests. maybe because Euros judges actually feel more of a single entity than the judges from US, Canada, China and Japan could ever feel, so they work to push in a single direction and take pride in any European skater being there at the top of world.

I'm curious, actually, about when the inflation started, or at least when the perception of "Euros scores are generous" started. Back in the times when Europe had many countries who excelled in FS, so high scores were the norm? Even if massive political divisions were at play back then? Or is it a more recent product of many european countries losing ground, so now it doesn't matter if russian or spanish or italian, as long as it's "european"?:confused:

(Or am I being too harsh with my fellows europeans?):peekapooh:

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5 hours ago, LadyLou said:

tho while the judging at Nats has been way way crazier that I expected, the Euros inflation is actually more worrying to me. The scores are official. They count for SB. They count for spots and assignments. AND they count going into WC.

It will be interesting to see how the scoring goes at 4CC, but I think the scoring is usually tamer than Euros, at least that's my impression. It looks like euros inflation is "tradition".

If true, maybe it's because 4CC doesn't have the same "prestige", or maybe because there are too many big feds with different interests. maybe because Euros judges actually feel more of a single entity than the judges from US, Canada, China and Japan could ever feel, so they work to push in a single direction and take pride in any European skater being there at the top of world.

I'm curious, actually, about when the inflation started, or at least when the perception of "Euros scores are generous" started. Back in the times when Europe had many countries who excelled in FS, so high scores were the norm? Even if massive political divisions were at play back then? Or is it a more recent product of many european countries losing ground, so now it doesn't matter if russian or spanish or italian, as long as it's "european"?:confused:

(Or am I being too harsh with my fellows europeans?):peekapooh:

 

 

I think it is partly because of the prestige of the European Championships. It's the oldest ISU competition after all, even older than the World Championships and 110 years older than 4CC (at least the men’s event). It had been the most important competition after Worlds for a very long time, and it is still very prestigious because of its long history, even though the field is often stronger at 4CC. I still have the feeling sometimes that here in Europe -at least in my country-- casual viewers care equally about Europeans as  they do about Worlds, and they're less interested in GPF or other comps…it’s also because there are only 3 competitions which are broadcasted in TV: the Olympics, Worlds and Europeans

 

European judges maybe work more of an entity, at least more than judges at 4CC, especially if a skater has also chances for Worlds medals, come from a bigger fed and/or the skater has a good reputation. In skating styles maybe more skaters influenced each other in Europe, at least in the past (for example the former Soviet/socialist countries), judges score higher something that they’re familiar with. And there’s politics, too…in the past, the Eastern block had to help the Soviets and other socialist countries in judging, they formed a block against Western countries (it’s a bit of an another story though). It's not the case with 4CC, USA/Canadian, Chinese, Japanese/Korean, Australian etc feds don't have that much of history together so their judges probably score more randomly. 

 

There is also reputation, and not just of those who come from a big fed. For example Javi, who was unbeaten for so many years, had big reputation and Europeans was like a home competition for him and after a while he got generous scores here, usually better than at GPF or Worlds (Boston FS an exception or Helsinki SP but Worlds '17 was a bit different story since it was in Europe...with a heavy pro-European judging panel). 

 

So it depends on many things, but yes, I'd say usually at Europeans scores go higher and it was probably always like that.

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