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7 minutes ago, Moria Polonius said:

 

I thought he was speaking in the heat of the moment and that adding a 4Lz, 4F and 4A is more difficult than making a statement of intent and that contrary to popular belief, Yuzu is not superman. I totally believe he wanted to but I totally didn't believe he'd be able to. So, I actually didn't think everybody here was seriously expecting all of that. I'll be overjoyed - and super-surprised - if we'll see the 4A this season at all, but I'm not expecting the 4F at all.

 

So do you expect to see a 4A from him at all? His statements about the 4A have not been heated at all, they've been measured and realistic.

 

I don't expect him to do six quads in one programme, or even at one competition. But he made his intentions pretty clear and I expect he will attempt to land all of the quads, why would you consider that a superhuman feat? All of them except the 4A have already been landed. He's landed the 4Lz already. 

 

I think most people are waiting to see in terms of what he'll do. If he really wants to do the 4F - he did (allegedly) go for it at FaOI and I don't think anybody just goes for a new quad like that unless they've done adequate training in harness and under ideal conditions, so I believe he has trained the 4F - then he'll probably do it. 

 

I also don't think Yuzu said anything to the press without considering his words carefully. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion about him saying such specific things in the heat of the moment, considering how he's handled media, press conferences and interviews for the last ten years through moments at least as frustrating as last Worlds was. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Paskud said:

Zu planned content at ACI:

3a

3lz

4lo

3lo

4t3a

4teu4s

3f3t

 

You see? Only up to 4lo.:graucho:

 

That's actually a pretty plausible layout, too. (except for the 4teu4s part)

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22 minutes ago, Moria Polonius said:

 

I thought he was speaking in the heat of the moment and that adding a 4Lz, 4F and 4A is more difficult than making a statement of intent and that contrary to popular belief, Yuzu is not superman. I totally believe he wanted to but I totally didn't believe he'd be able to. So, I actually didn't think everybody here was seriously expecting all of that. I'll be overjoyed - and super-surprised - if we'll see the 4A this season at all, but I'm not expecting the 4F at all.

I don't think Yuzu really speaks in the heat of the moment. I'm sure he meant it and I'm sure he's been working towards it (my theory of him training all Summer seems to support that). He also wouldn't be trying 4F at FaOI just for kicks, because that's not him. Which is not to say that I expect him to do them all this season. It's because he said he wants all the quads that I'm pretty sure he won't retire at the end of this season and will stick around for at least one more. (I also think he will likely achieve this, through sheer will, push his body until he manages to, regardless of the consequences. But I'm not sure whether I really want this or not.)

 

That said, I'm also quite convinced 4A is a lot closer to being done than most people believe. And we know he was doing 4F before Olys as well. But I think 4A was always the priority, so I actually expect it to appear before 4F is fine-tuned.

 

However, precisely because he doesn't have a whole lot of time left and because getting one quad stable is hard, getting three new quads stable is crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if he brought them all and tried to give them mileage, even if they don't always all work out.

 

That being said, I also don't expect 6 different quads in the free. I expect at least one to be only in the short. I'm guessing 4T might be the only one to make it both to the short and free, though maybe not even that... maybe he'll do 4Lo 4S-3T in the short and 4A, 4Lz, 4F, 4T-3A in the free (eventually).

 

For ACI, I expect 4Lz, to be honest. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't do that one either. I don't really expect him to come out all guns blazing, but it entirely depends on his goals and his plan to achieving those goals, so IMO, anything is possible.

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2 minutes ago, Murieleirum said:

 

That's actually a pretty plausible layout, too. (except for the 4teu4s part)

Excuse me! This is the best part of this layout.:tumblr_m9gct8HYvv1qzckow:

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At first a part of me thought the 4Lz, 4F, 4A talk could've been a spur of moment, but considering the speed of which he's been practicing them this summer, I think it's serious haha. He'll at least try his best making it happen. It's not just there in a season -- it's definitely a long term goal but not in the realm of the impossible.

 

And why should the 4F be impossible? I did see the alleged attempt right in front of my eyes in Toyama.   :embSwan:  if it now is what it was. I just assumed 4Lz since that what's he did before, and I saw it from the side so I couldn't really see the edge either. Really wish I could extract it from my brain and see it again now knowing what to look for, haha. It looked like his almost there lutz attempts, leaning a bit forward in the air. I think he could do it ^^

 

 

@mokjakarma welcome! I hope you have fun ^^ this is an exciting time to join.

 

It's making me laugh thinking of Yuzu opening his program with 3A 3Lz just imagining everyones reaction :xD:

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If he can reach 4A level like he reach 3A, he does not need the 4F or 4Lz. But I thought, it is his priority jump since he said that Axel is his favorite jump, and it has the highest score overall. If I am not mistaken, he has been practicing 4A since 2017? But it seemed at that time he could not reach the 4.5 rotation. Cmiiw, but the conversation at that time, that the coaching team and him decided to pause the 4A training to polish on what he already have: 4Lz, so they can prepare the best olympic perf. Then he got into that training accident. 

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One thing we can say for sure, is that Yuzu doesn't bring jumps to competition before they're reliable and ready. And getting them to that state takes a minute. My best estimate is that we'll see one of the three (my money's on Lady Lutz) this season, one next season, and if he goes to 2022, one that season as well.

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22 minutes ago, andchipzz said:

If I am not mistaken, he has been practicing 4A since 2017

If I am right I think there is some footage of a 4A attempt in the 2015 ice shows (wearing Seimei EX costume)??

 

Edit: here it is, from YouTube (Danielle Camps):

 

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Yuzu is a man of his word. If he set his goal on 4A and said it to the press. That means he is confident with it, and it gonna happen. After all, I trust him. May be 4A might come sooner than we expected :) 

 

 

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If his health holds up.  That is always the proviso.  2014/5, 2015/6, 2017/8, and 2018/9 were all bedevilled with illness and injury.  A YH with titanium ankles, perfect respiratory system, and no collision accidents or urachal surgery issues would probably have already done the lot.

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Yuzu has beautiful edge jumps and he prefers them to toe jumps, but edge jumps are prone to get affected by ice condition. He must have known the risk of relying on edge jumps long before Worlds this year since he experienced the struggle with competing with LGC in the 2016-2017 season and Boston2016 where there was a sudden change in the temperature and the ice condition. So I don't think he impulsively mentioned mastering 4Lz and 4F. Must be difficult to practice them trying to avoid the risk of injury, but if he is in good form, I think we will see him attempting at least one of them.

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He is just 24 years old and had to endure more than most of us will in a lifetime, he is such a strong guy with loads of thinks that he wants to do, I believe that he will be able to fulfill his dreams be it in skating or his personal life ! 

I also believe that if he would have been healthy in the past years that his drive to archive the goals that he has set for himself would be way different and that he wouldn’t be as driven as he is now ! 

And yes he would most likely have accomplished his goal to land a 4A by now !

I am happy that he is still skating and he still has goals that he wants to accomplish.

That he brings as joy as we watch him skate and fulfill what he set as his goal.

And I am happy and excited to see what the new season will bring for him!

And I’m nervous and exited to see him in a few days!

I hope that he’ll accomplish what ever goal he has set for himself and that he’ll believe in himself and in his strength no matter what happens this year !

Yuzu I believe in you !

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About the layout guessing: there's one thing that we know for sure. He loves fluffy cats.

 

 

Other notable facts that make me feel positive:

 

1. We know that he practiced 4Lz and 4F during FaOI without serious catastrophes.

2. Since FaOI we have been watered with an above-average number of photos, blurry video pixels or background music from TCC. That means, he did regular on-ice-practice without major interruptions.

3. He is now fit enough to compete at ACI. Obviously.

 

 

The rest is pure speculation now:

Spoiler

 

1) I cannot imagine that Yuzu jumped 4Lz and 4F in public just to drop them again. I bet my salary that he practiced both of them regularly after FaOI, too, especially Lutzifer. I could even smell a tiny bit of kuyashii (really really tiny), that he ran out of time for a clean Flip at FaOI :P

2) He said himself that he needs the big toe jumps, because they do not depend that much on the ice conditions. So I agree with @sweetwater that the 4Lz and 4F were not mere impulsive ideas but plausible, calculated goals at that time.

 

The quality, success rate and embedding into the choreo are a different story of course, but he's still alive. I take that as a good sign.

 

 

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Why are so many Competitions on one single weekend? 

JGP in Russia 

ACI

Lombardia Trophy 

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The 4F is still not confirmed, until he or his team tell us, we can't really say that he is practising it seriously. Though I am sure he tried it before and I really really want that footage from FaOI

What we do know is that he has been training both the 4Lz and 4A for a while now. His success rate with the 4Lz was good according to his interviews at FaOI so there is a high chance it will make an appearance this season. The 4A is still a mythical beast that we hear about, know he wants and will bring if he can, but we have no idea how successful his efforts are.

My prediction is that he will bring the 4A if it is ready. If not, the 4Lz will be his new jump for the season. As for the 4F, I don't see it making an appearance anytime soon, though I am sure he will try it in the future. After all, Yuzu is ambitious but not stupid and he wants to win. He will not bring too many new elements to his programs all at once as it will definitely destabilise him and makes strategizing in case of mistakes very difficult.

 

Anyway, we are all just speculating and all opinions are valid at this point, so lets not be to hard on each other for disagreeing. In the end, Yuzu will do what Yuzu wants to do and he knows better. I am personally very happy to just watch him skate. New jumps are a bonus but not really important to me.

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