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9 minutes ago, Veveco said:

To be fair, you're not starting from a standstill in the pas de basque (you can kind of guess the dancer's preparation turn before the actual jump) and the weight of the skates is a big factor (I remember finding it sooo disturbing myself doing a simple arabesque). 

 

But, yeah, ballet dancers are jumping beasts... 

Idk... For me (a total amateur) it showed that Zuzu free leg here... ekhem, is bad.

Sigh, I really don't like this "who is more balletic" war because most of the times it doesn't show skaters in good light.

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52 minutes ago, Paskud said:

I don't think this comparison is good for Zuzu.:smiley-scared003:

 

Hahaha, my jaw dropped when I saw that guy's move.

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4 hours ago, Paskud said:

GUYS! GUYS! Leaked footage of Nessie!!

 

LOL warn a poor girl next time LOL

3 hours ago, ralucutzagy said:

 

Well yep pretty much....even if the guy in the video is impressive but not to die for for me(but I'm picky and obsessive when it comes to ballet ) ,but as someone said already ballet dancers are jumping beasts but they have the prep too and they don't wear heavy skates .

 

yuzuru leg is not perfectly en attitude but who cares?he's a skater not a ballet dancer he doesn't need to do that.

I've fall in love with that hydroblade/Saute de Basque since the 1st time I saw it ,i love it it's the most amazing thing ever and I'll fight whoever dares to say the contrary:10814716:

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3 hours ago, ralucutzagy said:

 

The dancer's leap is so powerful and straight up, it actually looks like he's being pulled up on a wire , even though he's not. I'm willing to bet that Yuzu can get similar height in the dance studio as well, unemcumbered by skates etc. Considering that Yuzu did it after coming out of a hydroblade, which, physiologically speaking, is almost the exact opposite muscle movement, it show some pretty awesome athleticism on his part. Even if I were fit enough, my thighs would be screaming after that. Never mind skating the rest of the program. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Paskud said:

Idk... For me (a total amateur) it showed that Zuzu free leg here... ekhem, is bad.

 

Pointless opinion under spoiler because probably boring to most:

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Well, yes. The dancer's free leg is better, no discussion there. Yuzu's knee drops during the jump, making an angle that is not good by professional ballet standards. But I really think the added weight of the skate would completely change the momentum of the free foot, and thus the dynamics of the jump. (I already feel a difference when I wear pointes vs demi-pointes for turns, and they're much lighter than skates). Also, Yuzu is starting from a very low position just before, so he has to create a lot of momentum in a single move, which often translate into "wonky" positions (not a great way to describe it, but I can't think of a better word right now). At least, it's a pretty common mistake for beginners for instance, because it's really hard to put a lot of strength in a move while keeping a good/correct position (somehow, everyone tends to put more tension in the standing leg in a jump and to forget the free leg a bit, though I don't quite know the reason behind).

That's why a lot of those big turning jumps start with a smaller turn in ballet (isn't it also pretty common in FS to use basic turns as the entrance to a jump?). Notice also how the dancer's jump is mostly upward while Yuzu's is more half-half? Momentum is key.

And, for all that Yuzu is really, really graceful, he is not professionally trained in ballet, so it's really not surprising that he loses the leg position. The attitude position is... tricky. Pretty, but so easy to do wrong.

 

1 hour ago, Paskud said:

Sigh, I really don't like this "who is more balletic" war because most of the times it doesn't show skaters in good light.

I 100% agree on that. I have a bit the same issues with spirals (positions are often not great by ballet standards, but it is also an unfair comparison given that skaters have different constrains, so I personally avoid it). I mean in general, not Yuzu specifically. Seriously, put me in skates and see how well I can jump (hint: not well. not even close. :13877886:)

 

Bottom line:

1) Obviously if we judge by ballet standards, professional dancers will be better. It'd be shame for them otherwise. It's their turf.

2) I still love Yuzu's jump. It's so unique, and goes well with the flow of the sequence. :201111231756430f6:

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5 hours ago, Paskud said:

GUYS! GUYS! Leaked footage of Nessie!!

 

 

:knc_yuzu1:

 

O M G !!!!

 

I need this! I need super huge Nessie, that could be packed into a small bag, then thrown on the ice and automatically inflated when it touches the surface! Any creative inventors here? That can't be so hard, right? We have life vests... 

 

Just imagine an ice rink showered with slowly inflating LochNess monsters. That would be something to remember! :darklordyuzu:

 

 

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Guuuyyyys, Meejung Hwang on youtube has loads of videos from the Olympics, mostly from NBC, full groups, in super high quality And NBC footage means good camera work!

 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBLijagpBabOJVvo2g-mfV_xHO0dz5RgN

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Doesn’t matter- he’s not competing against ballet dancers.  What he is doing is using different, unusual moves inspired by dance movements in figure skating, which no one else (?correct me if I’m wrong) is trying at the moment.  Hoping that Kevin Aymoz will be another innovator when he gets going properly.

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9 hours ago, Paskud said:

GUYS! GUYS! Leaked footage of Nessie!!

 

LOL it's so funny that's now Miyagi ambassador

all according to the plan?:gla:

:laughing:

now instead of finding/making our own Nessie plushies to throw on the ice, we can just go get Lapras merch, awesome :biggrin:

(confession: I know it's Lapras because it's written in the tweet LMAO not into pokemon sorrynotsorry I mean of course I know they exist and I know Pikachu but...yeah)

 

re: ballet

well, if Zuzu or any skater, tbh, really did dance moves better than professional dancers I'd be concerned for the dancers, since the difference in training is huge, not to talk about the different surface and equipment, so... we're talking about spending countless hours every day for years to reach a certain level, and skaters and dancers just needs to use those hours for different things (tho as I've said some other time there is some overlap too)

For the same reason that "people must use their time to master what is needed in a specific discipline", for example, I also expect IceDancers to have on average better skating skills than singles&pairs skaters. SS (and all the patterns where they need to be displayed) are something that matters A LOT for ID score, hence spending time honing those skills is pretty much a necessity for ice dancers. For pairs and singles skaters...not so much:tumblr_inline_mg16f1RxCn1qdlkyg: I mean, just looking at BV (not even touching on PCS scoring), for singles having sublime ss is...way less useful than mastering several triple jumps, so with the limited time skaters have, it's not surprising SS don't get, on average, as much attention during training...

 

 

back to Yuzuru.... why do I already feel Zuzu-deprived?:dontdothistome:

we had an amazing streaming party just yesterday + all the FaOI footage that I still need to sort through 'cause I'm pretty sure I have way too many versions of the same show, I seriously need to go and check so I don't clog my poor hard drive:14066882: also my laptop has been acting a lil crazy today omg I hope it will wait for me to back up the new stuff please

still, I'm feeling Zuzu-deprived:smiley-sad030:

(where's a cactus emoji?)

 

oh, I wanted to share this fanvid here too :grouphug: quoting myself from fanvids thread

16 minutes ago, LadyLou said:

reviving the thread posting this pretty recent vid from smal58 (some clips from Makuhari Masquerade too)

Lots of...how are they called, overlays? (that thing when there's two vids overlapped)... well, anyway, just heads up in case you don't like that.

what I love the most of this vid (other than OMG those opening secs are SO COOL!) is that's full of clips of the support Zuzu received, it makes me feel happy & glad:tumblr_inline_n18qr5lPWB1qid2nw:

 

btw, does anyone here has a link to the tweet with the Cruel Angel Thesis Yuzu fanvid? the one that looks like anime opening? I wanted to add it to the fanvid thread, too

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54 minutes ago, LadyLou said:

btw, does anyone here has a link to the tweet with the Cruel Angel Thesis Yuzu fanvid? the one that looks like anime opening? I wanted to add it to the fanvid thread, too

 

This one? 

 

 

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2 hours ago, LadyLou said:

LOL it's so funny that's now Miyagi ambassador

all according to the plan?:gla:

:laughing:

now instead of finding/making our own Nessie plushies to throw on the ice, we can just go get Lapras merch, awesome :biggrin:

(confession: I know it's Lapras because it's written in the tweet LMAO not into pokemon sorrynotsorry I mean of course I know they exist and I know Pikachu but...yeah)

I told you all it's Nessie but no one believed me.:tumblr_m9gcveIckR1qzckow:

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Do you guys think there is a Miyagi official lurking here on the planet? I mean of all the Pokemons mascot  they could have picked, they picked the Nessie looking one? Coincidence ? XD

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1 hour ago, Anki said:

Do you guys think there is a Miyagi official lurking here on the planet? I mean of all the Pokemons mascot  they could have picked, they picked the Nessie looking one? Coincidence ? XD

Eh...I sometimes wonder if Yuzu himself lurks here. There are times when he says things in interviews where it seems like he is directly addressing things that have been said here. 

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

Eh...I sometimes wonder if Yuzu himself lurks here. There are times when he says things in interviews where it seems like he is directly addressing things that have been said here. 

Not sure if lurking your own fan forum is really cute or really lame :tumblr_inline_mqt4grU8ua1qz4rgp:psst, Yuzu, if you are lurking: just because we love you doesn't mean we won't make fun of you muahahaha

 

Out of curiosity, do you have any examples of Yuzu appearing to address discussions in this forum?

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