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5 minutes ago, Paskud said:

I understand you don't like any Yuzuru's programs, except seimei and H&L?

 

Okay, that is not at all what I said and I would never say that. I am sorry if anyone read this in my posts. I am just overthinking things as always and hoping that others will understand my "research thinking".

That said, the original thought was - Yes, I would like to see Yuzu skate some Paso Doble and I know I would very much enjoy it.

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29 minutes ago, 4Nessie said:

 

I guess it may be a European point of view. We are quite conservetive - not all countries at the same level though. I think some people here simply don't like to see other cultures doing standard European things. It's strange though that no one would ever say that European samurai or ninja or Indian is something strange.    

 

Huh? I don't think you will find anyone here not loving Yuzu's Ballade, Etude, Swan Lake, Notte Stellata, or R&J (if we can qualify Yuzu's R&J as a standard European thing). Actually, I've never met a European FS fan anywhere who would hold skating to European music against a skater from another continent. Frankly, I suspect that Europeans, especially casual fans of FS would rather watch standard European things no matter who skates because that's what they've always been watching. Their conservatism would rather make them less interested in more exotic programs. (I did see opinions that Seimei was "boring" during the Olys, and never a word against Ballade, but I think the people with that opinion were American rather than European since I was attending American-mostly places.)

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6 minutes ago, Moria Polonius said:

 

Huh? I don't think you will find anyone here not loving Yuzu's Ballade, Etude, Swan Lake, Notte Stellata, or R&J. Actually, I've never met a European FS fan anywhere who would hold skating to European music against a skater from another continent. Frankly, I suspect that Europeans, especially casual fans of FS would rather watch standard European things no matter who skates because that's what they've always been watching. Their conservatism would rather make them less interested in more exotic programs. (I did see opinions that Seimei was "boring" during the Olys, and never a word against Ballade, but I think the people with that opinion were American rather than European since I was attending American-mostly places.)

 

I see my posts are not very clear. The original post was about culturally distinct music. Not classical music or all music genres.

But it doesn't matter, I guess. Everybody is free to read what they want in my posts.

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I think the important thing when using culturally distinct music is probably respect- if it is treated respectfully and not belittled then it should be ok to use any music.  European classical is the default choice but it’s good to see new genres.  

 

Whether or not it suits the skater in question is an entirely different matter.  I could never really understand S/M using ‘Candyman’ - they skated it well technically but it didn’t suit their style - if Marchei/ Hotarek had used it I could imagine them carrying it off much better, they do jokey and lighthearted very well.  The tango thing is difficult to judge - I’m feeling I’ve had a surfeit of Latin American what with last  season and this seasons short dance choices and the ubiquitous Roxanne so I don’t know whether I don’t like the idea or I just want a couple of seasons break from that particular genre.

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32 minutes ago, Sombreuil said:

I think the important thing when using culturally distinct music is probably respect- if it is treated respectfully and not belittled then it should be ok to use any music.  European classical is the default choice but it’s good to see new genres.  

 

Whether or not it suits the skater in question is an entirely different matter.  I could never really understand S/M using ‘Candyman’ - they skated it well technically but it didn’t suit their style - if Marchei/ Hotarek had used it I could imagine them carrying it off much better, they do jokey and lighthearted very well.  The tango thing is difficult to judge - I’m feeling I’ve had a surfeit of Latin American what with last  season and this seasons short dance choices and the ubiquitous Roxanne so I don’t know whether I don’t like the idea or I just want a couple of seasons break from that particular genre.

 

I don't watch much ice dance (I should) but what I'm sick of already is Romeo and Juliet. 

 

Dear God, so many Romeo and Juliet. Right now, I'm so annoyed with the whole lot of them that I'll take Junhwan's truly and mindblowingly odd R+J ED mix with DiCaprio screaming JULIEETTTTT in the middle.

 

I'm honestly so glad Yuzu went with two such distinctive programmes. I think if he had done Latin I would've wept a little and not all of the tears would've been happy. I'm also very very happy that his going back to beginnings didn't lead to a reinterpretation of his own R+J. Another version.

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4 hours ago, Bonesfan said:

It is my understanding that since ANA sponsors Yuzu, they restrict his endorsements to 5 other companies. To avoid diluting his "brand".

 

I've heard that JSF restricts jpn skaters on quantity of their ads, but nothing about ANA doing anything like that.

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Personally, I'm ok with Yuzu only having about 5 sponsors. Having sponsors doesn't mean just getting financial benefits, it also means having to work to promote them, do CMs, participate in events etc. With Yuzu based in Canada, doing that for his Japanese sponsors means he has to travel back to Japan to do it. I think it's great he's managed to find ways to work with them in such a way that he can do all that stuff whenever he's in Japan, and cram them all into a short period of time, as opposed to having to travel back and forth. If he had more sponsors to work with, I'm not sure it'd be as convenient.

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2 hours ago, WinForPooh said:

I don't watch much ice dance (I should) but what I'm sick of already is Romeo and Juliet. 

 

Dear God, so many Romeo and Juliet. Right now, I'm so annoyed with the whole lot of them that I'll take Junhwan's truly and mindblowingly odd R+J ED mix with DiCaprio screaming JULIEETTTTT in the middle.

I totally relate. I’m watching the JGP and there are too much R&J, boys and girls, and don’t start me on tangos *sigh*

So as much as I’d love to see Yuzu give us a tango program or even better a paso doble indeed, I don’t think I could appreciate it fully this year

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13 minutes ago, Paskud said:

Yuzuru, do Javi/Stephane tribute 2019/2020

I hope the Javi tribute is a flamenco, not a comical-type program:embSwan: tho it would be...interesting to see Yuzuru trying that...but no, much better a flamenco with some red in the costume and LGC hair :10742290: (also, while some skaters make comedy work, I usually don't go and rewatch that type of program...)

Stephane tribute...as long as Yuzu doesn't want to take inspiration from the zebra or the cat-thing costume, he can do everything he wants, Stephane did so many good programs:8788161:

 

ETA: of course we don't even know what yuzu's plans for next season are... we're thinking a lot ahead LOL

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2 minutes ago, LadyLou said:

I hope the Javi tribute is a flamenco, not a comical-type program:embSwan: tho it would be...interesting to see Yuzuru trying that...but no, much better a flamenco with some red in the costume and LGC hair :10742290: (also, while some skaters make comedy work, I usually don't go and rewatch that type of program...)

Stephane tribute...as long as Yuzu doesn't want to take inspiration from the zebra or the cat-thing costume, he can do everything he wants, Stephane did so many good programs:8788161:

comical-type program? Koi-dance program?

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Just now, Paskud said:

comical-type program? Koi-dance program?

I'd be on board for that:68468287:

I was thinking about a Chaplin or aerobics class:xD: but maybe Yuzu could do the drunk pirate instead, he kinda tried it already and I've always found hilarious how some of his moves (like his weird off-ice run) kinda resemble how a Jack Sparrow would move LOL

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Sooo, I am sorry about my previous posts. I don't want to be biased, so I did some research to see how many tango/paso/flamenco-'ish' programs I like. I watched only men's.

 

Boyang Jin 2015 - nice skate, not really a tango for me

Florent Amodio 2014 - eh... it was a bit too much

Plushenko - I really can't judge this. He is one of the greatest, I get that and respect that, but I never liked his style.

Stéphane Lambiel 2008 - yeah, that's the feeling...

Patrick Chan 2009 - No. Sorry, no. That program was beautiful, but no tango feeling...

Tomáš Verner 2014 - (To not sound too harsh only on foreign skaters...) he was a good comic, but not much of a tango

oh and Lysacek 2011 - It was close. It had all the right movements so it should have been the right one. But something still missing there, imo.

 

Then I found a video of Brian Orser, Kurt Browning and Alexei Yagudin skating to Tango - it is a jewel. It's too short to judge properly, but Kurt was GREAT! He had the right pose and everything. Brian... well... he is so 'romantically fluent' in his movements, not really a tango guy I think. Yagudin, from what I saw in those few minutes, no.

 

So, to sum up - skating tango programs is DIFFICULT!!! :68468287:

 

And one thing to add to my previous thoughts - the main problem is, I think, that some music is just way too specific. What do you think people would say, if Yuzu skated to Riverdance? I believe he would do it well. It would be surely beautiful as everything he does, but I think there would be some nasty comments about it. That is just one example. All I wanted to say before is, that such specific music is supposed to present some cultural characteristics to the audience and it sounds strange when someone tells you that one culture will present characteristics from way way too different culture. It is quite hard to pull of. So that's the main problem with biased thinking. People are in a difficult position believing that such thing can be done well.

 

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1 hour ago, LadyLou said:

as long as Yuzu doesn't want to take inspiration from the zebra or the cat-thing costume, he can do everything he wants,

 

This one. This is the one.

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5 minutes ago, SparkleSalad said:

 

This one. This is the one.

:angrypooh::angrypooh::angrypooh:

remeber lurker Zu can get *ideas*, don't encourage him!

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