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almost makes me wish that boyang will take a leaf out of evgenia's book and change his FS...

go back to spiderman SP with upgraded steps/choreo with improved skating skills

extend crouching tiger SP to a LP and flesh it out with music from the rest of crouching tiger soundtrack so that the music will flow and have change in rhythm and pace

flesh out the program with more choreo, etc.

that way all the spidey SP fans are happy and we all will have a better LP (his crouching tiger program is actually pretty good ... probably work even better as a LP than SP)

anything but the mess that is the current planets/star wars FS...

*sigh*  of course this is just random musings from a random online person so who cares right...?

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46 minutes ago, sublimeskating said:

almost makes me wish that boyang will take a leaf out of evgenia's book and change his FS...

go back to spiderman SP with upgraded steps/choreo with improved skating skills

extend crouching tiger SP to a LP and flesh it out with music from the rest of crouching tiger soundtrack so that the music will flow and have change in rhythm and pace

flesh out the program with more choreo, etc.

that way all the spidey SP fans are happy and we all will have a better LP (his crouching tiger program is actually pretty good ... probably work even better as a LP than SP)

anything but the mess that is the current planets/star wars FS...

*sigh*  of course this is just random musings from a random online person so who cares right...?

Boyang's new SP is a good program - I'm not saying that Spiderman wasn't but Crouching Tiger is a more serious, suited program for Oly season, IMO!

His LP is the real problem ... he could very well go back to his last season LP, La Strada, which was a very nice put together program in terms of choreo and music cuts, it really suited Boyang and the public and judges responded good to it ... anything but that nonsensical mess of a LP he has right now ... 

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22 hours ago, ralucutzagy said:

Boyang's new SP is a good program - I'm not saying that Spiderman wasn't but Crouching Tiger is a more serious, suited program for Oly season, IMO!

His LP is the real problem ... he could very well go back to his last season LP, La Strada, which was a very nice put together program in terms of choreo and music cuts, it really suited Boyang and the public and judges responded good to it ... anything but that nonsensical mess of a LP he has right now ... 

 

oh i definitely agree - i LOVE the crouching tiger program!  i think it's the best program boyang has done so far, which is why i hope it would take over the star wars FS instead!  the crouching tiger program is more mature and has room for artistic interpretation and storytelling.  i've said this many times before but i really like this crouching tiger SP.  the music is good and the choreo is good.  all boyang needs to do is hit all the right notes with his movements and perform it clean.

 

the star wars FS is terrible and i can't believe the same choreographer as nathan's LP did boyang's LP!  such a HUGE difference in quality!  from music to choreo to everything!  WTF!!!  no wonder everyone's saying the choreographer is a saboteur because WTF why is boyang's FS (which counts for way more points than the SP) so shit while nathan's FS is so much better?  either that or she just can't give a fuck about boyang...  i see so many reports of how much time and effort lori took to choose music and choreo for "mao's last dancer" for nathan, and then i see this nonsensical mess with star wars FS ... what else am i supposed to think?  like WTF she's getting paid BIG $$$ for a team package deal for the choreo and her choreo for boyang's FS is even worse than C grade choreographers...  seriously the chinese fed is also to blame too cuz FFS it's not like they can't afford to try other choreographers.

 

la strada was OK but had a lot of "emptiness" - there's not as much substance in it which is why i don't think it's a very good FS (but still MANY TIMES better than the star wars FS because at least la strada had decent music and the choreo actually goes with the music).  the star wars FS is a MESS.  like WTF you don't fuck with legendary/famous sagas like star wars (also with award winning score from the master composer john williams) for an olympic season (with the most audience and hype) FS!  the star wars FS had the worst choice of music arrangement and the choreo doesn't even go with the music!  there's no coherence and i can watch the entire FS with the music muted and it won't make a difference.

 

look at the famous FS of the past olympics, like yagudin's olympic programs "winter" and "man in the iron mask" - from music to choreo to storytelling, they are awesome programs!  not even the best skater can perform well if they get shit programs to work with!  this is why good programs are so important.  see how much care yuzu takes with his music choices and program choreo - not even a skater of yuzu's caliber can perform well if he didn't have brilliant programs like seimei / chopin / lgc / h&l / etc. to work with!  not even the best chef can cook a tasty meal if they have shitty ingredients!

 

yeah i know i'm ranting but i believe in fair competition.  it's one thing for a skater to screw up in the stress of competition but another thing for a skater to be given shitty programs to work with so that not even their best efforts will be as good as someone else's good program (even if they don't skate as clean)

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34 minutes ago, sublimeskating said:

 

oh i definitely agree - i LOVE the crouching tiger program!  i think it's the best program boyang has done so far, which is why i hope it would take over the star wars FS instead!  the crouching tiger program is more mature and has room for artistic interpretation and storytelling.  i've said this many times before but i really like this crouching tiger SP.  the music is good and the choreo is good.  all boyang needs to do is hit all the right notes with his movements and perform it clean.

 

the star wars FS is terrible and i can't believe the same choreographer as nathan's LP did boyang's LP!  such a HUGE difference in quality!  from music to choreo to everything!  WTF!!!  no wonder everyone's saying the choreographer is a saboteur because WTF why is boyang's FS (which counts for way more points than the SP) so shit while nathan's FS is so much better?  either that or she just can't give a fuck about boyang...  i see so many reports of how much time and effort lori took to choose music and choreo for "mao's last dancer" for nathan, and then i see this nonsensical mess with star wars FS ... what else am i supposed to think?  like WTF she's getting paid BIG $$$ for a team package deal for the choreo and her choreo for boyang's FS is even worse than C grade choreographers...  seriously the chinese fed is also to blame too cuz FFS it's not like they can't afford to try other choreographers.

 

la strada was OK but had a lot of "emptiness" - there's not as much substance in it which is why i don't think it's a very good FS (but still MANY TIMES better than the star wars FS because at least la strada had decent music and the choreo actually goes with the music).  the star wars FS is a MESS.  like WTF you don't fuck with legendary/famous sagas like star wars (also with award winning score from the master composer john williams) for an olympic season (with the most audience and hype) FS!  the star wars FS had the worst choice of music arrangement and the choreo doesn't even go with the music!  there's no coherence and i can watch the entire FS with the music muted and it won't make a difference.

 

look at the famous FS of the past olympics, like yagudin's olympic programs "winter" and "man in the iron mask" - from music to choreo to storytelling, they are awesome programs!  not even the best skater can perform well if they get shit programs to work with!  this is why good programs are so important.  see how much care yuzu takes with his music choices and program choreo - not even a skater of yuzu's caliber can perform well if he didn't have brilliant programs like seimei / chopin / lgc / h&l / etc. to work with!  not even the best chef can cook a tasty meal if they have shitty ingredients!

 

yeah i know i'm ranting but i believe in fair competition.  it's one thing for a skater to screw up in the stress of competition but another thing for a skater to be given shitty programs to work with so that not even their best efforts will be as good as someone else's good program (even if they don't skate as clean)

You are so right in everything you wrote! I really hope he will let go his actual lp and do something else or even go back to La Strada if the time is too short for something new ... look at Evgenia, she did it, and Karen Chen abandoned Carmen for something she felt that was right for her... poor Boyang , with that shitty choreo ... and such a shame abt the music - look at Satton's Star Wars ... I mean, totally something else ... I can't wait for Jun Hwan's Star Wars bc after what I've seen in his first outing I'm not sold out yet ... but he was injured then and who knows ...

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I think it's very beneficial sometimes to have different choreographers for free and SP - variety is good and if you always work with one person it's possible to get stale.  Also one size doesn't fit all - I wish they would try a few different people instead of relying on one person.  I'm glad EM is using Anna Karenina for the same reason - it's good to switch it around a bit and try some different people, especially when you're young.  It would be amazing but unlikely to find the perfect choreographer at the first time of trying as Y did with Jeff, and even then he used someone else for the FP and after trying out DW eventually found SB.  I know JF sticking with DW makes his work a bit formulaic - I don't know whether that's a comfort zone after a less than stellar junior career, or DWs style, or that he simply can't do anything else but it would be nice to see something different occasionally.  And those are carefully put together programmes - SW is just a mess. 

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1 hour ago, ralucutzagy said:

You are so right in everything you wrote! I really hope he will let go his actual lp and do something else or even go back to La Strada if the time is too short for something new ... look at Evgenia, she did it, and Karen Chen abandoned Carmen for something she felt that was right for her... poor Boyang , with that shitty choreo ... and such a shame abt the music - look at Satton's Star Wars ... I mean, totally something else ... I can't wait for Jun Hwan's Star Wars bc after what I've seen in his first outing I'm not sold out yet ... but he was injured then and who knows ...

 

i think the skaters who realized they got shitty programs and then changed their programs to better ones are really smart and they made great decisions, like evgenia, karen, etc.  at the end of the day, the skaters are not only athletes but also performers - and performers have to have a good vehicle for them to express themselves well and show their skills!  with ALL the awesome themes that star wars has, i can't believe they just threw the most random pieces together and went "here you go, 1 random star wars mish mash for ya" for an OLYMPIC FREE SKATE.  john williams and his star wars score is ICONIC.  it was won praise and recognition from audiences to award committees so it's a GREAT score to work with!  even amateurs can come up with better star wars medleys than these "professionals" responsible for boyang's star wars FS!  star wars is such a well known epic with such a wide audience that any half decent choreographer (and especially for a top professional!) can make a good program if they even cared to put some thought into it!

 

 

1 hour ago, Sombreuil said:

I think it's very beneficial sometimes to have different choreographers for free and SP - variety is good and if you always work with one person it's possible to get stale.  Also one size doesn't fit all - I wish they would try a few different people instead of relying on one person.  I'm glad EM is using Anna Karenina for the same reason - it's good to switch it around a bit and try some different people, especially when you're young.  It would be amazing but unlikely to find the perfect choreographer at the first time of trying as Y did with Jeff, and even then he used someone else for the FP and after trying out DW eventually found SB.  I know JF sticking with DW makes his work a bit formulaic - I don't know whether that's a comfort zone after a less than stellar junior career, or DWs style, or that he simply can't do anything else but it would be nice to see something different occasionally.  And those are carefully put together programmes - SW is just a mess. 

 

exactly - don't put all your eggs in one basket and all that!  lori's choreo for boyang's short programs are ok but bloody hell her choreo for his long programs are fucking terrible.  it's almost like she didn't even bother to think out the program and just went "who cares, i got my $$$, i give no fucks, oh here ya go, have this program that i just made up in like 10 minutes".

 

yuzu + jeff for SP and yuzu + shae-lynn for FS just clicks so well.  DW doesn't really fit yuzu as well but his notte stellata was good!  even if JF sticking with DW makes his programs formulaic, at least they actually SUIT him and the programs are well put together!  formulaic or not, at least the programs show that there was thought and effort put into them!  but i get what you mean and i also wish he'd show more variety but probably at this stage of his career it's too late to change for something new...

 

with boyang's star wars program, it's just a goddamn mess from start to finish because there was NO coherence and NO storytelling!  how can he show judges and audience that he is a good skater when most of them have no fucking idea what he's doing?  you know it's bad when even star wars fans can't tell WTF the program was trying to express!  and it's not like it's an obscure thing - it's STAR WARS!  something that has been legendary for years and so well-known that even people who aren't scifi buffs know about star wars!

 

compare that mess to yuzu's seimei.  even without seeing the original movie, i could tell yuzu was doing something onmyouji-ish because he had the whole costume design based on heian kimono + the hand gestures that go with all the onmyouji mythology.  the music was arranged beautifully to tell a story and show emotion.  the choreo was excellent and matched every note and beat of the music so well.  the choreo also incorporated movements and hand gestures from the character of seimei.  you watch a program like seimei and you can tell how much thought and effort went into it, from music to choreo to costume.

 

even further back with yagudin's "winter" program.  the music was great and the choreo went with the music SO WELL (i don't think i need to talk about that legendary step sequence where he skipped/marched across the ice with every step right on every note and beat of the violin).  his costume looked like a winter scape and he scraped ice with his blade every now and then to throw the ice pieces up like playing with snow!  and then in "man in the iron mask", his costume showed his theme and the program even had mime and dramatic movements incorporated into the choreo to tell the story!  this is what good programs should be like!

 

even the best actors in the world can't show their acting talent if they have a shitty script and a badly written character.  even the best singers in the world can't show their beautiful singing skills if the song was just a shitty piece of noise.  just like how skaters can't perform to their best if their programs were a heap of shit in the first place.

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