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re: the digital comp proposalthread, I can see the good intentions

BUT

 

for starters, a "virtual" set up  would require an extensive employment of technology.

Not all countries will have their own adeguate tech equipment, or even adeguate rinks.

Also, specialized video operators, in charge of the official footage like in ISU events, would be required. So ISU would need to deploy proper, standardized tech equipment AND the personnel, in several countries, all at once.

Now, we all know ISU. Thus far they couldn't even add a second camera for tech panel in one rink:yznotimpressed:

Heck, ISU hasn't even been willing use teleconference in place of their physical congress, and a teleconference is a thousand times easier to host than a whole FS comp

(let's not even start about how utterly comic it would be if ISU started acquiring official footage remotely when they still don't allow skaters to upload their darn music without physical CD)

 

then, there would just be such a massive danger for fixing behind-the-scene (I mean, bigger than what happens now).

In other sports, where a result can be decided only thought the use of standardized, tamper-proof equipment, having athletes compete in different place might be difficult, but still doable.

But in FS standardized, tamper-proof equipment is just the start. There are already judges breaking the rules in public (I'm not talking about forgetting the handbook, that's a given, but things against the code of ethics, like talking to each other while scoring). If judges aren't all at once in the same place, under public scrutiny, how to be sure they aren't on some The merry companionship of the ISU chatgroup, exchanging tips? Should we trust the word of one or two officials eventually there to "watch over" them? (who might as well be those suggesting how to score?)

 

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2 hours ago, LadyLou said:

then, there would just be such a massive danger for fixing behind-the-scene (I mean, bigger than what happens now).

Yeah, this would be the biggest hurdle.

 

It would make more sense to have smaller, more localized competitions, with the performance video being  reviewed after the fact by a neutral international panel and the scores either ratified or adjusted if necessary, then use the final scores to determine international rankings. It wouldn't be ideal but it would be better than nothing.

 

 

 

 

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Skate Ontario in Canada has been cancelled. Doesn’t bode well for ACI. And SCI. 

 

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On 7/9/2020 at 11:42 AM, rockstaryuzu said:

Ottawa. My city. Which is actually doing quite well, pandemic-wise.* I just don't know if we'll be letting international travellers in by then. And the arena where SCI is being held is not the best, in terms of seating. The seats are crammed together. If SCI goes ahead, right now my bet is it'll be at half capacity or less. 

 

Anyway, China really had no option, what with the new outbreak in Beijing that started a couple weeks ago. 

 

So much for CoC. 

 

Lord knows what kind of a season we're going to have. 

 

*Numbers of new infections have been trending down for weeks, to the point where public health authorities are letting people visit their loved ones in old-age homes again - provided they can prove they test negative for COVID-19. Suddenly everyone's getting tested like mad...we will probably find a few more cases but nothing serious. And masks have just been made mandatory indoors, so hopefully things will go well from here on out. 

 

Note: I realize you are just speculating about SCI and not actually advocating for fans being at SCI, so the following is aimed at solely at SC/the ON gov't:

Ottawa is doing well, but the thought of fans at SCI , even just locals, makes me nauseous, since there's the potential for aerosolization of the virus, which could then hang around in places w/ poor ventilation for hours.  Or so it seems to be confirmed by research now?  Thinking of that recent conflict with WHO and their backpedaling on that issue.  Anyway, unless masks were very strictly enforced by security inside the arena, and/or ppl had to prove they were tested recently before entering, I certainly hope the province would not allow it.  This skepticism is brought to you by seeing ppl break distancing and other rules often here in TO, and ppl working at small businesses with uncovered noses and mouths this week, despite the new mask rule.  The masks were on, but almost useless thanks to them flaunting the rules. 

 

Of course, all this is moot, if international skaters aren't being let in except a few Americans who are here to train (which seems backwards, considering how poorly the US is handling things vs. say, South Korea). Or if quarantine is maintained, which I think it should be, because there's still too much uncertainty regarding false negatives in testing, then they are stuck logistically.  I'm steamed the MLB is being let in w/o quarantine and that the gov't may let the teams wander back and forth including to known hot-spots.  Makes me worry $$ is being put once again ahead of health. 

 

If SC decided on a domestic event before CNats w/o fans, as long as they had and enforced strong safety measures, it might work to give Canadian skaters some mileage on their programs. That I might support, whatever happens with the international season.  That seems much more doable in theory than international events.

 

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Join us today dear fellow satellites!!! Let's celebrate Yuzu and spread the love and good vibes!!!! :loveshower::626gdau::tumblr_inline_mto5i9TIpx1qid2nw::thanks:

 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Songster01 said:

 

Note: I realize you are just speculating about SCI and not actually advocating for fans being at SCI, so the following is aimed at solely at SC/the ON gov't:

Ottawa is doing well, but the thought of fans at SCI , even just locals, makes me nauseous, since there's the potential for aerosolization of the virus, which could then hang around in places w/ poor ventilation for hours.  Or so it seems to be confirmed by research now?  Thinking of that recent conflict with WHO and their backpedaling on that issue.  Anyway, unless masks were very strictly enforced by security inside the arena, and/or ppl had to prove they were tested recently before entering, I certainly hope the province would not allow it.  This skepticism is brought to you by seeing ppl break distancing and other rules often here in TO, and ppl working at small businesses with uncovered noses and mouths this week, despite the new mask rule.  The masks were on, but almost useless thanks to them flaunting the rules. 

 

 

There are viruses in the air, it is proven, but from what I understand, there is so little that only people gathering in a very confined atmosphere during hours incur a significant risk of contamination (logically, the more viruses one is in contact with, the likelier the contamination, and the relation should not be linear; as far as I know, in the few cases I read about of contamination by aerosols, the virus concentration must have been high, most contamination occurring by direct contact or by droplets). It seems that even in rather cramped trains, subways... contamination is rare. An ice rink, with its huge volume of air, actively circulating thanks to the differences in temperature (the air just above the rink, where skaters evolve, probably less) is probably not considered a confined atmosphere for the transmission of the virus, even more so with a reduced attendance. Above all droplets should be avoided, they can travel very far, so supporters should start to learn humming instead of screaming!

If someone with a real knowledge of fluid mechanics could confirm this, anyway I will ask my husband tomorrow.

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20 hours ago, Songster01 said:

That seems much more doable in theory than international events.

I think this is the chief problem for every skating federation on the planet right now. Even if things are good locally, how do you go about holding a competition with skaters from other places? Not to sound too wildly paranoid, but I'm not too keen on people travelling from city to city within Canada right now, let alone coming here from overseas. So how does a sports organization ensure useful competitions can happen?  It's as unrealistic to cancel the entire season as it is to try and host major international events. 

 

Not going to lie, I'm concerned that if the entire 20/21 season gets cancelled, a lot of skaters just aren't going to come back at all and the sport itself will be hamstrung. Yet I also don't want to see rinks packed full of fans and skaters right now either. So some way forward needs to be found.

 

 

 

 

 

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There goes....

 

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5 minutes ago, Fay said:

There goes....

 

 

I'm not surprised - and I expect the GP series to follow - but you will find me sitting in the corner watching my Yuzu videos and sobbing quietly....

 

I am glad he achieved everything there is to achieve before this horrible time, and my heart goes out to the ones who are just setting out, especially the ladies with their short time. But given the amount we miss him..... :sadPooh:

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Just now, TallyT said:

 

I'm not surprised - and I expect the GP series to follow - but you will find me sitting in the corner watching my Yuzu videos and sobbing quietly....

 

I am glad he achieved everything there is to achieve before this horrible time, and my heart goes out to the ones who are just setting out, especially the ladies with their short time. But given the amount we miss him..... :sadPooh:

I’d rather we all missed him and he was safe rather than have to dread for his health, frankly. I hope he’s enjoying his time with his family. 
I am most irrationally sorry for UtaShin, to be honest. But they have to deal with it and make the best of it. 

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56 minutes ago, Fay said:

I’d rather we all missed him and he was safe rather than have to dread for his health, frankly. I hope he’s enjoying his time with his family. 
I am most irrationally sorry for UtaShin, to be honest. But they have to deal with it and make the best of it. 

 

Oh I agree, their safety and health is paramount, and that of the teams and family around them.

 

Yuzu has had very little serious downtime - apart from illness and injury which hardly counts! - for years, and we saw last year he was pushed to exhaustion.  He seems to have found somewhere where his privacy is kept, which is good.

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:smiley-sad016:

I'm thankful they didn't wait till August to make this call. I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice, though it's very reasonable one, in current context.

I hope other feds and most important the darn ISU will make some kind of announcement in one sense or the other soon, instead of leaving everyone hanging (I know Canada has been cancelleing some events, and I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese fed, like JSF, refused to send their skaters abroad in early season comps, too)

I wonder how much ISU decision-makers are scrambling rn to save what's salvageable of JGP... I feel a tiny little bit (but only a tiny little bit) sorry for them, these are unprecedented times and I'm pretty sure none of them was prepared for this

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2 часа назад, TallyT сказал:

I'm not surprised - and I expect the GP series to follow - but you will find me sitting in the corner watching my Yuzu videos and sobbing quietly....

Will be sobbing quietly somewhere near cuz we have 2 more years of Yuzu competitive skating at best and perspective is very uncertain even about next year. I know that most important thing is for everybody to stay healthy but can't stop a little selfish feelings too, cuz GP series and FS was great distraction from daily routing. But well, it's smth we can not change, so only hope for the best for next year.

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He looked exhausted at J nats - better at 4CC, but still a bit frazzled.  I think the silver lining in this might be the opportunity to get a proper rest, have a total break from the pressure, hopefully at home, and come back refreshed whenever the sport gets going again.

 

Schrodingers graduation- it occurred to me that it would be totally in keeping with his ninja side to graduate in a year when those ceremonies are being cancelled all over the place.

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Entries of competitors for the ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2021, ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2021 and ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2021 will be based on the results of the corresponding 2020 Championships as usual. As the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2020 were not held, the entries for those Championships will be used for the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2021.

(...)

Keeping in mind the above-mentioned reservations, and noting that for some locations there remain pending questions as to applicable travel and other restrictions which could lead to additional cancellations, the Council noted that the following ISU Junior Grand Prix events for the season 2020/21 are currently planned:

1st event (including Pair Skating) September 9-12, 2020 Budapest / HUN

2nd event (including Pair Skating) September 23-26, 2020 Ostrava / CZE

3rd event (including Pair Skating) September 30-October 3, 2020 Tashkent / UZB

4th event                                            October 7-10, 2020 Ljubljana / SLO

5th event (including Pair Skating) October 14-17, 2020 Riga / LAT

 

The Council therefore decided that for the above-mentioned scheduled ISU Junior Grand Prix events:

a) No ISU Junior Grand Prix points will be awarded and no ISU Junior Grand Prix Ranking for 2020/21 will be established.

b) A decision regarding the holding of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final scheduled on December 10-13, 2020 in Beijing and the corresponding qualification criteria remains pending and will be taken during a subsequent Council meeting.

c) There will be no pre-allocated entries for ISU Members to participate in each Junior Grand Prix event and ISU Members may choose in which events they will enter their Skaters.

d) The exact entry limitations and procedures and other logistical details (including issues such as Prize Money and World Standing points) will be published as soon as possible through an updated General Announcement for the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating 2020/21 and the individual Announcements for each ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating event.

e) Updated Guidelines for medical care and safety are currently under preparation by the ISU Event Coordinators and the ISU Medical Commission and will also be communicated as soon as possible.

 

Challenger Series 2020/21 The Council agreed that, in line with the recommendation of the Council appointed Working Group on the planning of Season 2020/21, the Challenger Series Events for both Figure Skating and Synchronized Skating in the Season 2020/21 should be held as individual events and not as a Series. There will be no Challenger Series ranking and therefore no Prize Money distributed at the end of the season. The Skaters attending these Challenger Series Events will still be awarded Challenger Series World Standing points provided the general Challenger Series requirements are followed (in regard to appointment of officials, number of entries, etc.).

https://www.isu.org/inside-isu/isu-communications/communications/24757-isu-communication-2335/file

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