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9 hours ago, Lunna said:

I try not to think of this. Cuz even if Euros/Worlds will not happen at some way this year, Olympics might not happen at all too, cuz I'm not sure there will be a vaccine in 1-2 years time (too much different information on the topic really). And athletes also can't continue training in the unknown babble, some might just retire, especially those from small feds might just go look for a job or education, a lot of juniors will not know what to choose too.

But I think here's the huge worldwide sport industry on the line (together with entertaining industry), not just FS, which is even not a team sport, so we'll see and hope for the best.

 

And WC next season decides spots for Olys. They're gonna do their damndest to make it happen. Maybe with no spectators? Or just local ones, since Sweden is doing the "we're not doing herd immunity but we're doing herd immunity" thing. Or else everyone goes to Nebelhorn fall of 2021. 

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There is a long interview with Lorenzo Magri, the coach of Daniel Grassl in an Italian newspaper. He criticized quite a lot how ISU handled the situation before they cancelled Worlds.

 

"People died, but the ISU did not decide. Does figure skating exist in Italy? Sometimes I wonder... "

 

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After the world junior championship in Tallinn you have conscientiously decided not to leave for Canada, waiting for more clarity ...

 

Magri: After the World Junior Championships it was very hard to understand what to do. It did not seem respectful of the ISU to not take a position, above all because already in Italy, people were starting to die. Many then left, both of the Italian national team and of the ISU members themselves, to then not play the Worlds. We spent a total of three weeks in Tallinn waiting for decisions to avoid leaving for Canada, where among other things we would not have had the opportunity to train on the weekend. We therefore waited for the response remaining in Europe.

 

A situation that has created many embarrassments, especially if we consider that the day after the official postponement of the World Championships in Montreal, Nottingham (United Kingdom) was held regularly by those of Synchronized Junior ...

 

Magri: I do not agree with the way the ISU operates. It mainly tends to prepare the judges and the technical panels, but not taking care of the coaches, I can say it because I cover both roles as ISU Technical Specialist. They think that the coaches already have their earnings, however there is no training for us and neither for the athletes. The perception is that the ISU takes care of the budget, the image, the sale of advertising and television spaces; it is more a business-related project, it has lost much of the value we could define as sport ethics and principles related to the value of sport. For example, I find that there is no consideration of the standard of living that many very young athletes, for example those of the Tutberidze Team, must have to maintain that certain level of performance, ability and performance, especially in relation to a short competitive "life" period if not very short; this is a problem that involves Russia, other federations and also the ISU itself. On the other hand, it must be said that figure skating is a sport that still pays off, so much so that many athletes of a certain age, even Italians, do not want to abandon it to remain in vogue and return to the show circuit.

 

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Has this been posted? Thoughts from Nathan, RAF and ISU officials on tech changes, as reported by Hersh.
 

 

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/05/20/figure-skating-judging-changes-nathan-chen/

 

 

“These changes being ‘new’ to 2020-21 have to be interpreted as a reaction to the Russian ladies’ dominance and that of Nathan Chen, too,” said Tom Zakrajsek, a top U.S. coach, in an email.

Chen said this week by telephone that he finds the new values fair but wishes there would be a bonus for skaters like him, Yuzuru Hanyu and Shoma Uno of Japan, Vincent Zhouof the U.S., Daniel Grassl of Italy and Alexander Samarin of Russia if they land more than one of the three hardest quads in a program.

 

According to skatingscores.com, Chen and Grassl are the only ones who have landed all three at least once in their career. Among men in major international competitions beginning in 2010-11, including Junior Grand Prix and Challenger Series events, 13 different skaters have landed a clean quad Lutz, six a clean quad flip, five a clean quad loop. By comparison, 93 have landed a clean quad toe loop and 42 a clean quad Salchow.

 

“It makes sense they are similarly valued, but there should be some extra incentive to do all the three hardest ones because it is difficult for some skaters to do some,” Chen said. “The loop is a very difficult jump for me; for others, it is quite easy.

“There are pros and cons to these changes for each athlete. I have a Lutz, and because they are reducing its value, that does negatively impact me. At the same time, I can work to get my loop consistent (he has tried just one, in 2017) and to improve the grade of execution on my jumps.”

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I wonder if Nathan has forgotten that there is a rule that skaters can repeat only one type of quad in the free skating or he wants another rule that would benefit him.

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Love how everyone all forget about 4A existence when they talk about big jumps. Since Nathan openly want more bonus,  the judges might take note and shower him with more generous scoring. As if the high BV and high GOE factor for those jumps aren't enough. How privileged. 

 

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  Tbh, what hit me the most was something from another one of his recent interviews.

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What is the worst advice you’ve ever received?

“Hard work gets you results. Yes, you need to push through whenever things are getting tough, but you can’t do that all the time. Your body, your mind, your everything is going to break down at some point and you’re just going to exhaust yourself. I think strategizing your time and your efforts is really important. The best advice that I’ve received was to give yourself time to be a person, and to not be so working goal-oriented all the time. Enjoy yourself! My trainer always makes sure to partition a specific time throughout the year where skating is not at all in the docket. Having times of ‘not being a skater’ is really helpful.”

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Majority of skaters are pulled into homeschooling very, very young. That’s the time when kids learn to socialize and learn things that are taught in school that are just not taught at the rink. I think it’d be really helpful to be able to have better implementations of skating programs within our national school systems so that skaters don’t necessarily have to feel the need to be pulled out of school to focus on skating.

https://medium.com/@whartoninnovators/skating-on-ice-interview-with-nathan-chen-771438beab10

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10 minutes ago, Paskud said:

  Tbh, what hit me the most was something from another one of his recent interviews.

https://medium.com/@whartoninnovators/skating-on-ice-interview-with-nathan-chen-771438beab10

If they can socialise at the rink, it's OK. If they cannot...

Yuzuru Hanyu missed a lot of kindergarten, but then, he went to conventional elementary and junior high school, and a bit of high school. He certainly didn't have cramming school like most of his schoolmates of course.

And he is speaking for the general skater. A skater like Yuzuru Hanyu, who lives for skating, doesn't work the same. I suppose there is nobody like him in the world of figure skating. AND of course, he is not working like a beast, he is focused but with a vision, of what he wants to get and how to achieve it the most efficient (including, energy-sparing) way. (And he has also earphones and video games.)

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I'm sort of :scratch3: at some of the things Nathan has said recently.

Of course he works hard, and I doubt it is *really* the worst advice he has ever received. 

 

And skaters who have multiple quads already have a significant advantage that shows in both TES especially if they also get high GOEs, but also in PCS because it is how things work. It is especially Nathan who has a big advantage here, and he wants more which I don't understand. It would also make the gap between the top skaters and those who don't have that quads even bigger.

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1 час назад, Paskud сказал:

  Tbh, what hit me the most was something from another one of his recent interviews.

https://medium.com/@whartoninnovators/skating-on-ice-interview-with-nathan-chen-771438beab10

I'd say to each their own, smb may need more focus, some need more distraction and rest. Though to say it's the worst advice it's..:confused:

About school also hard to say how things work in different countries (Yuzu still went to school). And I would say how to socialize you can learn at the rink too (and can't at school if you don't want to) and some other things learned at the rink, you can't teach at school.

But I long ago have the impression that Nathan's heart isn't 100% in FS, so I'm like whatever at his interviews.

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8 hours ago, Paskud said:

  Tbh, what hit me the most was something from another one of his recent interviews.

https://medium.com/@whartoninnovators/skating-on-ice-interview-with-nathan-chen-771438beab10

Either he has some major trauma from not seeing results of his “hard work” (however he defined it) or not many people has given him advices... “worst” advice? :scratch3:

 

 

6 hours ago, Lunna said:

 

But I long ago have the impression that Nathan's heart isn't 100% in FS, so I'm like whatever at his interviews.

I always think the availability of a different career path is what lifted FS pressure away from him and so he is able to jump more consistently. He doesn’t have to put his whole life in a competition so yes, I don’t see his heart 100% in FS too. 

Well some people works like this (I also do better with less pressure) but some legend just like to add pressure to oneself to excel. :goat:

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