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On 6/28/2019 at 6:51 AM, kaeryth said:

 

 

...I didn't even realize we were hosting.

 

*looks it up* But it's in Dongguan though? That's on the other side of the border. The protests are mostly happening in the Central to Admiralty parts of Hong Kong Island, which isn't close at all the where the competition is supposed to happen, plus who knows if they're still going to be happening in August. I'm confused. :scratch2:

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An ISU Communication was published about the Code of Ethics requirements for officials:

https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/rules/fsk-communications/21534-isu-communication-2265/file

 

 

There are specifications of conflict of interest (1.1.):

 

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No individual shall serve as a member of the Technical Panel or Referee in any discipline of any ISU Senior and Junior Grand Prix Series event, the ISU Junior and Senior Grand Prix Final, any ISU Championships and Olympic Winter Games in which a Skater participates with whom the member of the Technical Panel or the Referee has a special relationship. Such a special relationship can be created e.g. by family relations (see Rule 121, paragraph 3.k) ii) 5.); godparenthood; close friendship with or personal animosity against a Skater, his/her parents, other relatives or Coaches; and, in the case of individuals who are Technical Specialists and Assistant Technical Specialists who are also active as Coaches, there may be a strong rivalry with a Coach of a Skater. In addition, a Coach who is coaching a Skater in a Senior Grand Prix event shall not serve as a member of the Technical Panel at any other Senior Grand Prix event and the Junior and Senior Grand Prix Final of the same season; and a Coach who is coaching a Skater in a Junior Grand Prix event shall not serve as a member of the Technical Panel at any other Junior Grand Prix event and the Junior and Senior Grand Prix Final of the same season.

 

I think some of these specifications are vague; for example how can you predict that a skater/couple would finish in the Top 5? (see 1.4 and 1.5 points)

 

It's possible that the second case would happen more often that not:

 

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When appointing the members of the Technical Panel and the Referees for ISU Senior Championships, whenever possible, there shall be no appointments of Officials from ISU Members whose Skaters can reasonably be expected to place 1 – 5 in the respective discipline.

In case this is not possible, all members of the Technical Panel and the Referee for the respective discipline shall, whenever possible, be from ISU Members whose Skater(s) can reasonably be expected to place 1 – 5 in the respective discipline at the ISU Championships concerned.

 

It won't be possible anymore that a president/vice-president/general director etc of a federation will be Referee of member of the Tech Panel, so no Leanna Caron case (who worked in the Tech Panel for ID at the Olympics, while she was the president of the Canadian federation).

 

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ISU Member Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Directors General/Secretaries, Sport Directors shall not serve as a member of the Technical Panel or Referee at any ISU Championships, any ISU Senior Grand Prix event, ISU Grand Prix Final Junior and Senior or Olympic Winter Games during the entire time of his or her elected/appointed period of service in the respective above-mentioned ISU Member function.

 

In my opinion, all this would work much better if the rules, all specifications and clarifications would be clear and there would be an efficient system of accountability of the officials.

 

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41 minutes ago, sallycinnamon said:

I think some of these specifications are vague; for example how can you predict that a skater/couple would finish in the Top 5? (see 1.4 and 1.5 points)

 

wtf. ISU's bias inadvertently(?) showing. they already know who's reasonably gonna place where :facepalm:

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6 hours ago, yuzuangel said:

wtf. ISU's bias inadvertently(?) showing. they already know who's reasonably gonna place where :facepalm:

 

It's possible that they won't find the required number of officials from any random federations - especially not at ISU competitions where ISU qualification for tech specialist, controller and referee is needed. So maybe they'll go with the other rule and the specialist/controller and the referee will be from those federations those skaters are "more likely" to finish in top 5. Russia, USA, Canada, France, Japan, China and so on could benefit from this a lot. This again will be better for bigger feds and not good for smaller federations imo.

Or if they find all the people with the required qualifications...not sure they'd all be really well-trained.

Either way, being unbiased is one of the main duty of any official but not sure this new rule will help it.

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1 hour ago, sallycinnamon said:

 

It's possible that they won't find the required number of officials from any random federations - especially not at ISU competitions where ISU qualification for tech specialist, controller and referee is needed. So maybe they'll go with the other rule and the specialist/controller and the referee will be from those federations those skaters are "more likely" to finish in top 5. Russia, USA, Canada, France, Japan, China and so on could benefit from this a lot. This again will be better for bigger feds and not good for smaller federations imo.

Or if they find all the people with the required qualifications...not sure they'd all be really well-trained.

Either way, being unbiased is one of the main duty of any official but not sure this new rule will help it.

You're so right, this is ridiculous

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11 hours ago, yuzuangel said:

wtf. ISU's bias inadvertently(?) showing. they already know who's reasonably gonna place where :facepalm:

I mean, don't we all? Everyone knows who the top contenders at any given competition are--between reputation scoring and past results, you can make a pretty reasonable guess as to who will most likely place high.

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1 hour ago, Figure_Frenzy said:

 

I shouldn't judge a book a video from its cover its thumbnail but just looking at it makes me cringe real hard :ohno:

I just gave it 6 minutes of my life....just so you know the lady is very proud of her powerpoint:rolleyes:

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