axelnojutsu Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, Bilge said: Talking about conflict... just because an error is common doesn't make it suddenly not an error what kind of logic is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilge Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, axelnojutsu said: just because an error is common doesn't make it suddenly not an error what kind of logic is that Am i seeing things? the back of Shoma's blade did not hit the ice at @ 0:36 ? What slo-mo doesn't do any justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelnojutsu Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Just now, Bilge said: Am i seeing things? the back of Shoma's blade did not hit the ice at @ 0:36 ? What slo-mo doesn't do any justice? I'm sorry, slomo doesn't do jumps justice, we should all refer to our superior jack's intuition and eyesight for technical calls from now on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murieleirum Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Jackie thinks he's the only one who's ever skated to know that? Max Ambesi was a skater, too. But you can see from his answers, he's trying to invent things. Only because Shoma doesn't slip off of his edge, doesn't mean that he doesn't put weight on it. Being the last foot to leave the ice, how could it be possible that there is no weight on it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilge Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Murieleirum said: Jackie thinks he's the only one who's ever skated to know that? Max Ambesi was a skater, too. But you can see from his answers, he's trying to invent things. Only because Shoma doesn't slip off of his edge, doesn't mean that he doesn't put weight on it. Being the last foot to leave the ice, how could it be possible that there is no weight on it?? ikr?! tell him max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeandlegacy2018 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Murieleirum said: Jackie thinks he's the only one who's ever skated to know that? Max Ambesi was a skater, too. But you can see from his answers, he's trying to invent things. Only because Shoma doesn't slip off of his edge, doesn't mean that he doesn't put weight on it. Being the last foot to leave the ice, how could it be possible that there is no weight on it?? Jackie needs to make money. He can gain popularity/opportunities/money by being nice to powerful skaters/feds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajaHled Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I mean of course he's not on the entire blade the entire time he's picking, but that doesn't mean it's not a bad takeoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinForPooh Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Bilge said: ikr?! tell him max. lol Every jump takes off from the toe is such a zinger from Max there. Like, what happens during the picking process until the split second when you leave the ice matters, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelnojutsu Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Jackie keeps shifting the goal posts in his explanations too, first it’s not a blade take off the slomo is just bad then it’s well he’s not fully on the blade and now it’s well he completely goes down on the blade but he goes back up on the toe so it’s fine I’m so glad Max is out there taking no bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makebelieveup Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 hey guys, i was referred to this thread for my questions. I'm just having a hard time understanding how the goe is calculated looking at the protocols. So I understand its based on percentage of the base value i.e +1 means 10% of base value. But what if its an avg among the 9 judges? or do we drop the highest and lowest scores and average by 7? Even so, how would an average of say +2.33 translate into goe score? Also, regarding edge and UR calls, does anyone know how many judges need to call it to "make it official"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katt Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 @makebelieveup -All GPs comp, ISU championship have 9 judges so the final GOE/PCS is avarage by 7 with highest and lowest score were taken out. The Senior B comp usually have 7 judges and they take average by 5. Alot of local comp only has 5 judges. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpcan2018/gpcan2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf For example, look at Evgenia first 2A in her LP. The GOE are : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 2 2 A +3 and +1 are out then we have 3 +3 and 4 +2 . (3x0.99 + 4x0.66)/7= 0.8 - As for the UR and edge calls and levels, judges don't call it, its technical panel. There's Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Assistant Technical Specialist. As far as I know, tech specialist has the most power. There's tough and easy tech panel. People at COC 2016 said Shin Amano took note alot, more than most tech specialist they've seen. All the UR and edge calls were reviewed after the performance, then the judges would change GOE accordingly. That's why you would see TES drop when they announce the score. For example Evgenia's lutzes in her LP got +1,43 and +1.38 GOE in realtime, but since tech panel call (!) and (e), it drop to 0.67 and -0.57. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makebelieveup Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Katt said: @makebelieveup -All GPs comp, ISU championship have 9 judges so the final GOE/PCS is avarage by 7 with highest and lowest score were taken out. The Senior B comp usually have 7 judges and they take average by 5. Alot of local comp only has 5 judges. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpcan2018/gpcan2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf For example, look at Evgenia first 2A in her LP. The GOE are : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 2 2 A +3 and +1 are out then we have 3 +3 and 4 +2 . (3x0.99 + 4x0.66)/7= 0.8 - As for the UR and edge calls and levels, judges don't call it, its technical panel. There's Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Assistant Technical Specialist. As far as I know, tech specialist has the most power. There's tough and easy tech panel. People at COC 2016 said Shin Amano took note alot, more than most tech specialist they've seen. All the UR and edge calls were reviewed after the performance, then the judges would change GOE accordingly. That's why you would see TES drop when they announce the score. For example Evgenia's lutzes in her LP got +1,43 and +1.38 GOE in realtime, but since tech panel call (!) and (e), it drop to 0.67 and -0.57. Thank you so much for explaining! It helps me a lot in understanding how the GOE system works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forcefield Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Katt said: @makebelieveup -All GPs comp, ISU championship have 9 judges so the final GOE/PCS is avarage by 7 with highest and lowest score were taken out. The Senior B comp usually have 7 judges and they take average by 5. Alot of local comp only has 5 judges. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpcan2018/gpcan2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf For example, look at Evgenia first 2A in her LP. The GOE are : 3 3 3 3 2 2 1 2 2 A +3 and +1 are out then we have 3 +3 and 4 +2 . (3x0.99 + 4x0.66)/7= 0.8 - As for the UR and edge calls and levels, judges don't call it, its technical panel. There's Technical Controller, Technical Specialist, Assistant Technical Specialist. As far as I know, tech specialist has the most power. There's tough and easy tech panel. People at COC 2016 said Shin Amano took note alot, more than most tech specialist they've seen. All the UR and edge calls were reviewed after the performance, then the judges would change GOE accordingly. That's why you would see TES drop when they announce the score. For example Evgenia's lutzes in her LP got +1,43 and +1.38 GOE in realtime, but since tech panel call (!) and (e), it drop to 0.67 and -0.57. SC was the first time I've taken a good look at protocols because I wanted to make videos, and this exact score from Evgenia's jump stumped me, lmao! Before that I just looked at GOEs and no the judge's score. Thank goodness you explained here. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murieleirum Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/max_ambesi/status/1056274778338803712 Max keeps blasting people lol take cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajaHled Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Murieleirum said: https://mobile.twitter.com/max_ambesi/status/1056274778338803712 Max keeps blasting people lol take cover Bless him lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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