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2 minutes ago, Murieleirum said:

 

"I don't agree with a lot of it, but his point of view is very interesting"

 

This is exactly what you say when you can't admit you are wrong in a conversation :rofl:

Yep. For me, this is what someone would say when they just lost an argument.

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On 03/10/2017 at 7:56 AM, kaeryth said:

Olympic judges draw held during Nebelhorn Trophy

 

The panels were drawn as follows:

Ladies: Russia, Canada, United States, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, China, Belgium, Slovakia, France, Germany, Hungary, Latvia 

Men: Japan, China, Spain, Canada, United States, Russia, Israel, Uzbekistan, Latvia, Australia, Kazakhstan, France, Czech Republic   

Pairs: China, Germany, Russia, Canada, France, Italy, United States, Australia, Austria, Israel, Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary (The latter two countries will not have pairs entered in PyeongChang but were drawn to fill out the 13-judge allotment.)

Ice dance: Canada, France, United States, Russia, Italy, Israel, Poland, Ukraine, China, Turkey, Spain, Slovak Republic, Japan

 

Team event judges:

Ladies team event: Belgium, Canada, China, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Latvia, Russia

Men's team event: Austria, Canada, China, Finland, Hungary, Israel, Kazakhstan, Latvia, United States

Pairs team event: Australia, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel

Ice dance team event: Canada, China, Israel, Japan, Slovak Republic, Spain, United States, Turkey, Ukraine

Lowkey kind of glad that all the top 6 countries are represented judging-wise in the Men's. I know it prob won't really do much if they really wanted to fix it but it avoids an obvious question mark

 

30 minutes ago, kaeryth said:

For those who love pie charts :biggrin:

 

 

I think I'll try commenting on episode 2 of kiss & cry and discuss ladies strategies since I've done the men's (when I'm in a right state of mind).

Team BOrser clearly prioritising balance as much as possible and the FS technicals really tell a story here

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28 minutes ago, kaeryth said:

For those who love pie charts :biggrin:

 

 

I think I'll try commenting on episode 2 of kiss & cry and discuss ladies strategies since I've done the men's (when I'm in a right state of mind).

This is an interesting chart for those who think that current skating is all technical and no PCS. If you look at the chart, Javi, Patrick and Yuzu are fairly 50/50 on the BV and the PCS, and what tips the scale to TES is really the GOE scores. However if you evaluate GOE scores as indication of the skater's overall package and polish (which affects the overall artistry and feel of the program), then you could argue that at least half of the top 6 have a good solid balance between the art and the technique.

 

Among the new guys, Shoma has a decent balance too, and only Nathan in the FS has a very BV based lean in the scores. So again ISU, what the F*** are you guys so worried about? These charts indicate that most guys are actually decently balanced between BV (pure technique with no polish in consideration) and PCS.

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As promised, here's an update on the speculative layout table I posted back in page 33, with more current info.

 

Blue - Confirmed layouts OR layouts tried in competition this season (more or less)

Non-colored - Different options or mere possibilities, when uncertain

 

Spoiler

In Nathan's case I can't predict what he'll do in each competition, so I'm sticking with the 7-quad option in the predictions. In Shoma's case, I also can't really predict what he'll do either so I'm going for more than one possibility. Will Boyang upgrade his FS layout? Will Javier add a 4Lo? Stay tuned, this season is going to be a headache and a half!

 

These may change as the season progresses, of course, because the Men are crazy. 

 

SKATER SP BV LAYOUT FS BV LAYOUT TOTAL BV NOTES
HANYU

51.01

52.61

4Lo // 3A 4T3T

4Lz // 3A 4T3T

111.26

4Lz 4Lo 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T 3A2T 3A

162.27

163.87

SP layout a question mark but

likely to use 4Lo

CHEN 54.38 4Lz3T  // 4F 3A

115.21

117.19

123.86

4Lz3T 4F 4S // 4Lz 4T1Lo3S 3A2T 3A 3Lz

4Lz3T 4F 4S // 4Lz 4T1Lo3S 4T2T 3A 3Lz

4Lo 4Lz 4F3T // 4Lz2T 4F 4T2T2Lo 4S 3A

169.59

171.57

178.24

endgame: 6-7 quads?

UNO

51.31

4F // 4T3T 3A

109.59

110.02

111.79

4Lo 4S 3A3T // 4F 4T2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3S

4Lo 4S 3A // 4F 4T2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3S3T

4Lo 4S 3A3T // 4F 4F2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3S

160.90

161.33

163.10

may yet add second 4F or

maybe change SP layout

(add 4Lo?)

JIN 51.33 4Lz3T 3A // 4T

103.70

110.78

4Lz 4S 3A1Lo3S // 4T2T 4T 3A 3Lz3T 3F

4Lz3T 4S 4Lo // 4T 4T2T 3A1Lo3S 3A 3Lz

155.03

162.11

same layout as last season

or add 4Lo? (4CC layout)

FERNANDEZ 47.75 4T3T 4S // 3A

95.13

99.61

102.55

4T 4S3T 3A2T // 4S 3Lo 3A 3Lz 3F1Lo3S  

4Lo 4S3T 3A3T // 4T 3Lo 3A 3Lz 3F1Lo3S

4Lo 4S3T 3A2T // 4S 4T 3A 3Lz 3F1Lo3S

142.88

147.36

150.30

same layout as last season

or add 4Lo?

CHAN 48.05 4T3T 4S // 3A 94.25 4T3T 4S 3A1Lo3S // 4T 3A 3Lo2T 3Lz 3F 142.30 same FS layout but with 2 quad SP
ZHOU 53.15 4Lz 4F3T // 3A

106.01

112.05

112.29

117.90

4Lz 4F 4S // 4T 3Lz3T 3A 3A2T 3Lz1Lo3F

4Lz3T 4F 4S2T // 4Lz 3A 4S 3Lo 3Lz1Lo3F

4Lz 4F 4S3T // 4T 4S 3A 3A2T 3Lz1Lo3F

4Lz 4F 4S3T // 4Lz2T 4T 4S 3A 3Lz1Lo3F

159.16

165.20

165.44

171.05

using variations of 4-5 quads

layouts. endgame: 6 quads?

KOLYADA 51.15 4Lz 4T3T // 3A 98.81 4Lz 4S 3A3T // 4T 3A 3Lz1Lo3S 3Lo 3Lz2T 149.96  
BROWN 38.66 3A 3Lz // 3F3T 83.54 4T 3A 3F // 3A3T 3Lz1Lo3S 3Lo 3Lz2T 2A 122.20  

 

 

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13 hours ago, xeyra said:

As promised, here's an update on the speculative layout table I posted back in page 33, with more current info.

 

Blue - Confirmed layouts OR layouts tried in competition this season (more or less)

Purple - Possible endgame layouts

Non-colored - Different options or mere possibilities, when uncertain

 

In Nathan's case I can't predict what he'll do in each competition, so I'm sticking with the 7-quad option in the predictions. In Shoma's case, I also can't really predict what he'll do either so I'm going for more than one possibility. Will Boyang upgrade his FS layout? Will Javier add a 4Lo? Stay tuned, this season is going to be a headache and a half!

 

These may change as the season progresses, of course, because the Men are crazy. 

 

SKATER SP BV LAYOUT FS BV LAYOUTS TOTAL BV NOTES
HANYU

51.01

49.51

52.61

4Lo // 3A 4T3T

4S // 3A 4T3T

4Lz // 3A 4T3T

111.26

 

 

4Lz 4Lo 3F // 4S3T 4T1Lo3S 4T 3A2T 3A

 

 

162.27

160.77

163.87

SP layout a question mark but

likely to use 4Lo

CHEN 55.32 3A // 4F3T 4Lz

123.86

124.16

4Lo 4Lz 4F3T // 4Lz2T 4F 4T2T2Lo 4S 3A

4Lo 4Lz 4F2T // 4Lz3T 4F 4T2T2Lo 4S 3A

179.18

179.48

currently using triples in his layouts

endgame: 7 quads?

UNO

51.31

4F // 4T3T 3A

109.59

111.79

112.69

119.63

4Lo 4S 3A3T // 4F 4T2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3S

4Lo 4S 3A3T // 4F 4F2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3S

4Lo 4Lz 3A3T // 4F 4T2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3S

4Lo 4Lz 4S // 4F 4T2T 4T 3A1Lo3F 3A3T

160.90

163.10

164.00

170.94

may yet introduce 4Lz or maybe

change SP layout (add 4Lo?)

JIN 51.33 4Lz3T 3A // 4T

103.70

110.78

4Lz 4S 3A1Lo3S // 4T2T 4T 3A 3Lz3T 3F

4Lz3T 4S 4Lo // 4T 4T2T 3A1Lo3S 3A 3Lz

155.03

162.11

same layout as last season

or add 4Lo? (4CC layout)

FERNANDEZ 47.75 4T3T 4S // 3A

95.13

99.61

102.55

4T 4S3T 3A2T // 4S 3Lo 3A 3Lz 3F1Lo3S  

4Lo 4S3T 3A3T // 4T 3Lo 3A 3Lz 3F1Lo3S

4Lo 4S3T 3A2T // 4S 4T 3A 3Lz 3F1Lo3S

142.88

147.36

150.30

same layout as last season

or add 4Lo?

CHAN 48.05 4T3T 4S // 3A 94.25 4T3T 4S 3A1Lo3S // 4T 3A 3Lo2T 3Lz 3F 142.30 same FS layout but with 2 quad SP
ZHOU 53.15 4Lz 4F3T // 3A

106.01

112.29

117.90

4Lz 4F 4S // 4T 3Lz3T 3A 3A2T 3Lz1Lo3F

4Lz 4F 4S3T // 4T 4S 3A 3A2T 3Lz1Lo3F

4Lz 4F 4S3T // 4Lz2T 4T 4S 3A 3Lz1Lo3F

159.16

165.44

171.05

using variations of 4-5 quads

layouts. endgame: 6 quads?

KOLYADA 51.15 4Lz 4T3T // 3A 94.38 4Lz 4S 3A2T // 4T 3A 3Lz1Lo3S 3Lo 3Lz 145.53  

 

and wow, Yuzu now gets 2nd highest BV total...

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5 minutes ago, xeyra said:

 

Right now yes, but Zhou will upgrade to 5-6 quads and I'm sure Shoma will eventually upgrade more as well.

Vincent's breath at the end of FS reminds me of Yuzu in old days. No comment on 4lz and 4s...

Nathan's 55 is so scary...he can get over 100 without goe...

 

 

OMG I am 4Lo now :tumblr_inline_mqt4grU8ua1qz4rgp:

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8 minutes ago, SSS said:

Vincent's breath at the end of FS reminds me of Yuzu in old days. No comment on 4lz and 4s...

Nathan's 55 is so scary...he can get over 100 without goe...

 

 

OMG I am 4Lo now :tumblr_inline_mqt4grU8ua1qz4rgp:

He would need 45 PCS, which averages out to 9 on his PCS points, which I don't see happening easily. Then on top of that, he still needs to get better GOEs, but seeing his competitive track record, I don't see Nate getting perfect GOEs anytime soon. Has he ever received +3 GOEs on any jumps? My memory is that he has not, but could be wrong.

 

As for breaking Yuzu's SP-I think Yuzu would break his own SP WR before he allows another guy to break it. And then if another guy breaks his WR, he'll just go and break the new guy's WR all over again. That is him in a nutshell. :13877886:

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