General Skating Chat

[FlyingCamel]

1 hour ago, Lunna said:

I am not sure there's a way to retool technique much at the adult age and it's not like Nathan's technique is that bad (there's much worse), the problem is that it's rewarded like it's perfect, so yes, he shouldn't ask for more candies, quadsters with right passport have them already.

Hmm, why is his technique considered bad? Don’t think it’s the best out there but isn’t his technique considered pretty good? 

[SitTwizzle]

3 hours ago, Purple said:

I think for Nathan it's due to the fact he had a hip surgery when he was 16 or 17. I remember Rafael saying in an interview before that Nathan was all for quads & more quads. 

 

But yeah of course, Nathan doesnt "live & breath skating" like Yuzu does. Yuzu has a relatively normal school life compared to US skaters. In US, some were homeschooled so to make time for skating.

 

 

This hip surgery of his is new to me.
It made me think.

Could it be that he lands rather stiffly to protect his hip, at the expense of his knees or even ankles? It makes me worry even more for him.

[Paskud]

1 hour ago, FlyingCamel said:

Hmm, why is his technique considered bad? Don’t think it’s the best out there but isn’t his technique considered pretty good? 

On edge jumps it's rather bleh.

Tho could be worse.

[Sombreuil]

I’m referring really to his general skating skills  - stiff knees principally, which make his landings look awkward and his steps jerky, and I’m not particularly a fan of his spins.  I’m no fan of Patrick Chan but rewatching GPF 2013 when he was still in his pomp the smoothness of his skating is amazing.  Don’t miss the carping interview after the competition, and don’t expect the depth of PCs edges, but some effort to improve would be good.  Or as I say, accept gratefully and don’t comment.

[monchan]

The holy event that even the pandemic can't kill 

 

1 hour ago, FlyingCamel said:

Hmm, why is his technique considered bad? Don’t think it’s the best out there but isn’t his technique considered pretty good? 

If you only talk about take-off techniques, his Lz and Toe are pretty good (esp when 90% skaters can't toe-pick now), his Flip edge is kinda flat (I would say Yuzu's Flip edge is even more inside). His edge jumps are average, understandable when his knees are always stiff. His landings, as everybody knows, are all meh.

[Paskud]

48 minutes ago, monchan said:

The holy event that even the pandemic can't kill 

Why he is so dramatic when he will get his awards next year?

Quote

0.30 - just returned from a trip to the most beautiful places in America

2.20 - how the working day begins during the coronavirus period

3.10 - there are no tourists in Las Vegas yet, but restaurants in the "sleeping areas" are already working

4.50 - a stadium with 75 thousand seats was built on the legendary Las Vegas Strip, which was to open in July with the Barcelona - Real Madrid match

5.27 - and a new casino complex is being built - thematic, by country

6.10 - a relative booked a room at the Venice casino from June 1

September 7 - in general, a report on Russian TV about "dead Las Vegas" is not true

7.44 - “Everyone was given $ 1,200 each. And they promise another 2000 "

8.55 - “Some friends received loans for business support at half a million dollars at 1 percent”

10.13 - “And Rostelecom threatens to sue if I do not repay the debt of 7 thousand rubles during the day. for the Internet in St. Petersburg »

07/11 - and more about American support programs during the coronavirus

11.52 - and about support programs during the coronavirus in other countries and in Russia

04.16 - “The world after the coronavirus will definitely change. When it all started, it was a strong blow for me. ”

17.59 - “I’m thinking about what to do if there will be no more figure skating at all”

18.39 - the lifting of figure skating was supposed to begin with the 2020 World Cup in Canada

19.20 - “On May 23, it was planned to start a tour of Japan Fantasy on Ice - the guys would earn”

20.00 - only in Russia 200 skaters were left without work due to the cancellation of the show

22.28 - ISU Congress in Thailand canceled

03.23 - sincere indignation that the quad axel now costs only one point more than the quadruple flip

26.00 - ISU has not yet canceled the competition of the new season, but the two stages of the Junior Grand Prix will definitely not take place

27.50 - “I know that ice rinks have already opened in Germany - 10 people on ice and three coaches are allowed outboard”

29.00 - “In order to hold the October stage of the Grand Prix in Las Vegas, in April all contracts had to be signed”

29.42 - the main problem is closed borders

10.31 - how the idea of the “figure skating Oscar” was born - ISU Skating Awards. Long but interesting. And it all started - with Ovechkin!

34.50 - nominations were to be named after the great skaters and coaches of the past

38.18 - “The coolest show is when there is a competition. This is the basis of television. ”

40.20 - the first member of the Turkish technical committee announced the approval of the ISU Skating Awards

42.02 - The 21-thousandth Bell Center in Montreal is an ideal venue for a "figure skating Oscar", all tickets were sold long before the event

42.52 - ISU paid for the ceremony, a budget was allocated

44.15 - digression ... "Who is Zakaryan ?! Where did he come from ?! ” Zakaryan is a four-time champion of Leningrad and a silver medalist of the USSR Junior Championship. Even the medals survived

45.05 - at the end the budget began to outgrow, tension began

45.45 - “For me this is a big tragedy ...”

48.02 - what is lost in preparation for the ISU Skating Awards

48.35 - “I could get huge dividends. And a completely different road would open for all skaters. ”

49.10 - BUT !!! ISU Skating Awards will be held in virtual mode! Within a month, this will be officially announced.

50.54 - respectively, the first ISU Skating Awards in real time will be held during the 2021 World Cup in Sweden

And please, I beg, don't watch online awards...

[SitTwizzle]

26 minutes ago, Paskud said:

Why he is so dramatic when he will get his awards next year?

And please, I beg, don't watch online awards...

That's fine exhortation. Yet there will be temptation.  (Not to watch, but to vote for a candidate, unwilling as he may be.)

But that announcement of a skating award in Sweden, does it mean the Gala will be replaced by crap, as was projected in Montréal?

I really don't know if I'll be able to go to Stockholm, but I really wish to know, and if I can go, I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to express our disapprobation? In an orderly manner, of course.

[Paskud]

7 minutes ago, SitTwizzle said:

That's fine exhortation. Yet there will be temptation.  (Not to watch, but to vote for a candidate, unwilling as he may be.)

But that announcement of a skating award in Sweden, does it mean the Gala will be replaced by crap, as was projected in Montréal?

I really don't know if I'll be able to go to Stockholm, but I really wish to know, and if I can go, I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to express our disapprobation? In an orderly manner, of course.

voting already happened

and yes, it will be at worlds

[SitTwizzle]

1 hour ago, Paskud said:

voting already happened

and yes, it will be at worlds

I meant, will it be in addition to regular Exhibition (in which case, empty seats, visible on TV etc, will suffice), or instead of, as planned for Montréal?

[SparkleSalad]

11 hours ago, SitTwizzle said:

I meant, will it be in addition to regular Exhibition (in which case, empty seats, visible on TV etc, will suffice), or instead of, as planned for Montréal?

instead of

ie. medalists only then a bunch of retired skaters represented by Ari so he can collect their appearance fees. 

[Purple]

16 hours ago, SitTwizzle said:

This hip surgery of his is new to me.
It made me think.

Could it be that he lands rather stiffly to protect his hip, at the expense of his knees or even ankles? It makes me worry even more for him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/79472874

 

 

There was another video showing him getting off the ice into the wheelchair but could be taken down by now.

 

He missed 2016 WC because of the surgery. 

[rockstaryuzu]

16 hours ago, Paskud said:

Why he is so dramatic when he will get his awards next year?

And please, I beg, don't watch online awards...

More to the point, don't buy tickets for the 'gala' at Worlds next year, because you won't get what you pay for. 

 

Ovechkin? Iesu Christe. What does a hockey player know about figure skating?!

 

So now we know the awards are simply a blatant attempt by Zakarian to line his own pockets.

 

[Lunna]

1 час назад, rockstaryuzu сказал:

More to the point, don't buy tickets for the 'gala' at Worlds next year, because you won't get what you pay for. 

It's still kinda hard if you know there's one more chance to see Yuzu. But good lesson from Montreal - don't buy all-event at least close to the short side cuz view can be just blocked. I wish they would sell all event without Gala like in Japan.

 

1 час назад, rockstaryuzu сказал:

Ovechkin? Iesu Christe. What does a hockey player know about figure skating?!

I guess the reference was that NHL has some kind of awards. But it's not during match and NHL is in another league in terms of money. I only wonder how he convinced ISU to pay for the event.

[sweetwater]

All-event tickets for Worlds 2014 were only for SP and FS but all-event for last year included the gala as well. 
If they are going to hold the award show in the future Worlds, they should at least announce it from the beginning and sell the seats with obstructed views at a suitable price with advance notice, but I wonder if such a plan will survive under this situation. Nobody knows when the next international competition will happen and how. We don't know how many people will be able to travel for the Worlds next spring, or how many people will be able to sit in the arena. (In my country, re-opened movie theaters are blocking seats like this to keep the distance between the audience. We will see if this is effective or not...) Also, companies that have been supporting FS events as sponsors are suffering economic blows. ISU will have to adjust their plan for both short-term and long-term. If I were them, I would freeze the costly award first, but if I were them, I wouldn't have considered holding it in the first place...

[SitTwizzle]

27 minutes ago, sweetwater said:

 If I were them, I would freeze the costly award first, but if I were them, I wouldn't have considered holding it in the first place...

If only there was some audit of Montréal fiasco, it could also get us rid of that crap.