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On 9/29/2021 at 11:49 PM, Muralla17 said:

Being so, they should have moved the OG to a different country.

Yes it's tempting to think so, but in reality I guess it's difficult isn't it, most countries spend years preparing for the Olympic Games to be hosted in their country - did you have somewhere in mind, maybe somewhere that had recently held the OWG and have the resources to go ahead with them at such short notice, and that would allow an international audience? and ensure athletes safety too, to the best of their ability? Sounds a big ask to me in the midst of an ongoing pandemic and continuing changes and uncertainty to travel restrictions globally. Maybe they could have postponed for a year like Tokyo did to see how things stand in 2023? (though for Tokyo that didnt really work as not very much had changed at all!)  I think I am glad it's going ahead in the main, as athletes will have been working hard towards this goal.  (I am not expecting you to have any answers btw, I know its a tricky situation! Just wondering out loud :disapproval:)

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On 10/11/2021 at 5:56 PM, Pammi said:

Yes it's tempting to think so, but in reality I guess it's difficult isn't it, most countries spend years preparing for the Olympic Games to be hosted in their country - did you have somewhere in mind, maybe somewhere that had recently held the OWG and have the resources to go ahead with them at such short notice, and that would allow an international audience? and ensure athletes safety too, to the best of their ability? Sounds a big ask to me in the midst of an ongoing pandemic and continuing changes and uncertainty to travel restrictions globally. Maybe they could have postponed for a year like Tokyo did to see how things stand in 2023? (though for Tokyo that didnt really work as not very much had changed at all!)  I think I am glad it's going ahead in the main, as athletes will have been working hard towards this goal.  (I am not expecting you to have any answers btw, I know its a tricky situation! Just wondering out loud :disapproval:)

Hi Pammi,

I have been thinking once and again about all this situation, specially since GPF final tickets info came out two days ago and I have reached the conclussion than neither the fans nor the athletes are important for this "business". I of course see your point of not postponing the OG for one year not to be prejudical to the athletes (that would be in fact my only valid argument not to move OG to 2023 if they cannot be moved to a different location). But, my reasoning on all being a business and a question of power and money is as follows:

- China has being allowed to cancel 4CC, scheduled to be hold just three weeks before OG. Why? Cannot China really hold 4CC but can hold OG? I have read somewhere that the reason was that 4cc was to being celebrated in a small location.... Well, they could have really easily moved it to Beijing. Furthermore, they have hold this week the Asian Open Figure Skaing there. That is, China wasn't interested in holding 4CC and they were allowed to get what they won't and to get rid of what they weren't interestd.

- GPF final. Well, in fact this is a general issue with Japan since so long... And I do love Japan, but I think the way international competitions are privileged in Japan is unacceptable. It cannot be accepted as normal that in international competitions hold in Japan more than 90% of the tickets are restricted to people leaving in Japan. Why so? AFAIK no other country/fed have such a preferential treatment. Why does ISU tolerate this year after year? I can just think of economic/political reasons underlying. Shouldn't everyone (fans) have the same right to attend an international competition in any country no matter where they live or where they were borned? And what about they skaters, wouldn't be fair that they will have the chance to be supported by their followers to the same extend no matter where they skate? With the actual privileges to Japanese skating both situations are impossible... and no one (and I'm referring to ISU and any other international fed) does anything to change that, and I wonder why. Again just economic/political reasons come to my mind. 

It woud have been so, so  easy to move GPF final to a much more accesible country... And, it would have been so important, specially this year, for so many fans and skaters. Many skaters will retire after OG, and holding the competition out of Japan would allow their fans, families and friends to have a last chance to see them live. For example European countries, Canada, and starting November, 1st, USA are accesible to almost any other foreigner, including Japanese. That is, they offer an equitable change for fans all arond the wold to attend, both in terms of open borders and in terms of getting tickets. But no, no and no. To be honest, I wouldn't have awarded Japan a GPF final, Worlds or 4CC as long as the previous privileges prevail.

I'm such dissapointed and I have such a feeling of helplessness..

 

(Sorry for such a long reflection, but I need to take it out).

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6 hours ago, Muralla17 said:

Salut Pammi,

J'ai pensé encore et encore à toute cette situation, surtout depuis que les informations finales sur les billets du GPF sont sorties il y a deux jours et j'en suis arrivé à la conclusion que ni les fans ni les athlètes ne sont importants pour ce "business". Je vois bien sûr votre intérêt à ne pas reporter les JO d'un an pour ne pas porter préjudice aux athlètes (ce serait en fait mon seul argument valable pour ne pas déplacer les JO en 2023 s'ils ne peuvent pas être déplacés dans un autre endroit). Mais, mon raisonnement sur le fait que tout soit une entreprise et une question de pouvoir et d'argent est le suivant :

- La Chine a été autorisée à annuler 4CC, qui devrait se tenir trois semaines seulement avant les JO. Pourquoi? La Chine ne peut-elle pas vraiment détenir 4CC mais peut détenir OG ? J'ai lu quelque part que la raison en était que le 4cc devait être célébré dans un petit endroit... Eh bien, ils auraient pu très facilement le déplacer à Pékin. De plus, ils y ont organisé cette semaine l'Asian Open Figure Skaing. C'est-à-dire que la Chine n'était pas intéressée à détenir 4CC et qu'elle était autorisée à obtenir ce qu'elle ne voulait pas et à se débarrasser de ce qui ne l'intéressait pas.

- Finale GPF. Eh bien, en fait, c'est un problème général avec le Japon depuis si longtemps... Et j'aime le Japon, mais je pense que la façon dont les compétitions internationales sont privilégiées au Japon est inacceptable. Il ne peut être considéré comme normal que dans les compétitions internationales organisées au Japon, plus de 90 % des billets soient réservés aux personnes partant au Japon. Pourquoi donc ? AFAIK, aucun autre pays/fédéral n'a un tel traitement préférentiel. Pourquoi l'ISU tolère-t-elle cela année après année ? Je peux juste penser aux raisons économiques/politiques sous-jacentes. Tout le monde (les fans) ne devrait-il pas avoir le même droit d'assister à une compétition internationale dans n'importe quel pays, peu importe où ils vivent ou où ils sont nés ? Et qu'en est-il des skateurs, ne serait-il pas juste qu'ils aient la chance d'être soutenus par leurs followers dans la même mesure, peu importe où ils skatent ? Avec les privilèges réels du patinage japonais, les deux situations sont impossibles... et personne (et je fais référence à l'ISU et à toute autre fédération internationale) ne fait rien pour changer cela, et je me demande pourquoi. Encore une fois, des raisons économiques/politiques me viennent à l'esprit. 

Cela aurait été tellement, tellement facile de déplacer la finale du GPF dans un pays beaucoup plus accessible... Et, cela aurait été tellement important, spécialement cette année, pour tant de fans et de skateurs. De nombreux patineurs prendront leur retraite après les JO, et tenir la compétition hors du Japon permettrait à leurs fans, familles et amis d'avoir une dernière chance de les voir en direct. Par exemple, les pays européens, le Canada et à partir du 1er novembre, les États-Unis sont accessibles à presque tous les autres étrangers, y compris les japonais. C'est-à-dire qu'ils offrent un changement équitable pour les fans du monde entier, à la fois en termes d'ouverture des frontières et en termes d'obtention de billets. Mais non, non et non. Pour être honnête, je n'aurais pas attribué au Japon une finale GPF, des Mondiaux ou 4CC tant que les privilèges précédents prévalent.

Je suis tellement déçu et j'ai un tel sentiment d'impuissance..

 

(Désolé pour une si longue réflexion, mais je dois l'enlever).

I share your feelings😥

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On 10/17/2021 at 1:35 PM, Muralla17 said:

(Sorry for such a long reflection, but I need to take it out).

Hello Muralla, You make lots of valid points!

Issue of Japan and ticket non-availability is under spoiler as not about Olympics :)

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The issue of Japan holding competitive events and access for FS fans especially resonates as so many of us would love to see Yuzuru skate at home, I also feel sad about ice shows and availability to international audiences - I love so many of the Japanese skaters, but seeing Yuzuru in particular skate live will continue to be a desire of most of us on this forum. My fear is for those of us who don't live in Japan - we wont get opportunities to see him as  its likely that he mostly will be involved in ice shows in Japan when he stops competing. We can hope that he will skate in shows in Canada for example, in Europe I can only imagine him skating in Javi's ice show. Russia, yes I can imagine him going there as Russians adore him (and he will be very well rewarded!) but for those outside Russia it is not the easiest place to visit with the rather difficult process of visa application (especially in countries where you have to provide biometric data and don't live near a visa centre). So Javi, for those of us in Europe, we are relying on you to do annual invites please to Yuzuru!! Another possibility: It would delight me if Yuzuru has his own show and made it open to international audiences, no matter where he takes his show!

 

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