Jump to content

Recommended Posts

ShiroKJ   

:book-smiley: For up-to-date ISU communications : http://www.isu.org/en/media/isu-communications

                 

 [*] Indicates communication was released within the last 14 days.


2017/18 Communications (Singles, Pair & Dance):

 

  • * Decisions of the ISU Council June 2017 Amsterdam, Netherlands

Communication No. 2097 http://static.isu.org/media/525122/2097-decisions-of-the-isu-council-amsterdam.pdf

 

  • Ice Dance - Scales of Values, effective July 1st 2017

Communication No. 2094 http://static.isu.org/media/518264/2094-id-scales-of-values-2017-18.pdf

 

  • Entries/Participation 2018 Olympic Winter Games (OWG) for Single & Pair Skating / Ice Dance

Communication No. 2093http://static.isu.org/media/516026/2093-entries-2018-owg-fsid-before-qual-comp.pdf

 

  • (Calendar) International Single & Pair Skating, Ice Dance and Synchronized Skating Competitions 2017/1

Communication No. 2092http://static.isu.org/media/515293/2092-fs-and-sys-international-comps-2017-2018.pdf

 

  • Scale of Values, Levels of Difficulty and Guidelines for marking Grade of Execution, season 2017/18 (Singles/Pairs)

Communication No. 2089 : http://static.isu.org/media/508716/2089 ... 017-18.pdf

 

  • Ice Dance - Requirements for Technical Rules with ongoing validity, effective July 1st, 2017

Communication No. 2086http://static.isu.org/media/505764/2086-id-requirements-for-technical-rules-2017_18.pdf

 

  • ISU Ice Dance Requirements for Technical Rules season 2017/18 (Revised)

Communication No. 2076 : http://static.isu.org/media/1021/2076-i ... pril-4.pdf

 


2017/18 Communications (Synchronized Skating):

 

  • Synchronized Skating - GOE Guidelines, Reductions & Deductions Season 2017-18

Communication No. 2095 http://static.isu.org/media/519827/2095-sys-goe-guidelines_reduction-deductions_2017-18.pdf

 

  • Synchronized Skating - Technical Requirements for Season 2017/18

Communication No. 2091 : http://static.isu.org/media/515128/2091-sys-difficulty-groups-of-elements.pdf

 

  • Well Balanced Program Content 2017/18

Communication No. 2084http://static.isu.org/media/501069/2084 ... 017_18.pdf

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is there any big change or something interesting about singles with that communication 2089?

Does anyone have summery or something?

 

I try to summarize the changes for Singles rules changes (not Pairs and Ice Dance now but I might do it later if anyone is interested. There are not too many changes).

All changes in the new Communication are underlined so they can be easily found in the text.

 

I copy the changes, which are underlined:

 

1. Step sequence level 4 difficulty:

'Two different combinations of 3 difficult turns on different feet executed with a clear rhythm with the sequence. Only the first combination attempted on each foot can be counted.'

 

2. Marking +GOE:

-->Jump elements: bullet 2): 'clear, recognizable (creative, interesting, original for jump preceded by steps/movements of the Short Program) steps/free skating movements immediately preceding element'

 

3. GOE reductions for errors:

-->Jump elements: in the SP: 'Jump element not according to the requirements final GOE must be -3'

-->Spins: 'unbalanced number of revolutions in change foot spin -1'

 

4. Program Components:

'As a guideline the score 10 should not be awarded for any of the components in a program containing a fall or serious error'.

 

(My remark: a fall is obvious, but what does a 'serious' error mean? How will it be decided if an error was serious or not?)

 

5. Step Sequence pattern:

'It must be visible and identifiable and should be performed by using almost the full

ice surface (e.g. straight line, serpentine, circle, oval or similar shape)'

 

The following has been removed: either in it’s length from short barrier

to short barrier or twice in its width from long barrier to long barrier

 

6. SOV:

Spin with one change of foot and no change of position V column added (not sure why it was not regulated last season? Some please help me out).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
kora   

Step sequence pattern: It must be visible and identifiable and should be performed by using almost the full

ice surface (e.g. straight line, serpentine, circle, oval or similar shape) Removed

either in it’s length from short barrier

to short barrier or twice in its width from long barrier to long barrier

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

so what are the implications of these changes?  (sorry, i'm not familiar with the technicalities of the isu rules/judging)

 

are these good or bad changes?  more potential for fairer judging or more potential for bias?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
xeyra   
18 hours ago, sublimeskating said:

so what are the implications of these changes?  (sorry, i'm not familiar with the technicalities of the isu rules/judging)

 

are these good or bad changes?  more potential for fairer judging or more potential for bias?

 

It makes things less clear, to be honest. 

 

Take for example the following rule changes:

Quote

 

2. Marking +GOE:

-->Jump elements: bullet 2): 'clear, recognizable (creative, interesting, original for jump preceded by steps/movements of the Short Program) steps/free skating movements immediately preceding element'

 

 

Who exactly defines what accounts for creative, interesting, original steps/movements for the SP solo jump? At least back when it said 'difficult steps/skating movements' you had a defined list of what was considered difficult steps/transitions. This GOE bullet also seems to now be confused even further with GOE bullet 1) unexpected / creative / difficult entry.

 

Quote

 

3. GOE reductions for errors:

-->Jump elements: in the SP: 'Jump element not according to the requirements final GOE must be -3'

-->Spins: 'unbalanced number of revolutions in change foot spin -1'

 

 

The first one relates to the item above. Will a jump which judges consider not meeting the creative, interesting, original steps/free skating movements before SP solo jump count as 'Jump element not according to the requirements' and thus the final GOE must be -3? But then they changed the wording of what is needed for the SP solo jump requirements, so now we don't know if someone doing, say, some nice arms movements, automatically meets the criteria, since it's VAGUE AF. 

 

At this point, I'm not sure if we'll be seeing less negative GOE on SP solo jumps or more. 

 

Quote

 

4. Program Components:

'As a guideline the score 10 should not be awarded for any of the components in a program containing a fall or serious error'.

 

 

More vagueness. What is a serious error? Also, this will actually hit the veterans (Javi, Patrick, Yuzu) more than the youngsters, since they're the only ones currently getting 10s. If they no longer can get 10s in component scores because of a non-defined 'serious error' (not even in music interpretation!!!???), it may lower the difference in PCS between them and the 'kids' even further.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, xeyra said:

 

It makes things less clear, to be honest. 

 

Take for example the following rule changes:

 

Who exactly defines what accounts for creative, interesting, original steps/movements for the SP solo jump? At least back when it said 'difficult steps/skating movements' you had a defined list of what was considered difficult steps/transitions. This GOE bullet also seems to now be confused even further with GOE bullet 1) unexpected / creative / difficult entry.

 

 

The first one relates to the item above. Will a jump which judges consider not meeting the creative, interesting, original steps/free skating movements before SP solo jump count as 'Jump element not according to the requirements' and thus the final GOE must be -3? But then they changed the wording of what is needed for the SP solo jump requirements, so now we don't know if someone doing, say, some nice arms movements, automatically meet he criteria, since it's VAGUE AF. 

 

At this point, I'm not sure if we'll be seeing less negative GOE on SP solo jumps or more. 

 

 

More vagueness. What is a serious error? Also, this will actually hit the veterans (Javi, Patrick, Yuzu) more than the youngsters, since they're the only ones currently getting 10s. If they no longer can get 10s in component scores because of a non-defined 'serious error' (not even in music interpretation!!!???), it may lower the difference in PCS between them and the 'kids' even further.

 

thanks for the detailed explanation!

so i guess this means this is a change for the worse...

*sigh*

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ShiroKJ   

Updated communications No. 2092 and No. 2093.

 


Entries/Participation for 2018 Olympic Winter Games (Single/Pairs/Ice Dance)

 

Ladies

Spoiler

 

Country 2017 World Placement  - Points Earned # of OWG Entries
RUS 1+8 = 9 3
CAN 2+3 = 5 3
USA 4+7 = 11 3
JPN 5+11 = 16 2
ITA 6 = 6 2
KAZ 9 = 9 2
KOR 10 = 10 2
CHN  14+21* = 30 1
BEL 15 = 15 1
SVK 17* = 16 1
FRA 18* = 16 1
GER  19* = 16 1
HUN 20* = 16 1
LAT  22* = 16 1

 

Total spots = 24

Maximum Entries = 30

Spots to be earned at Nebelhorn : 6

 

Men

Spoiler

 

Country 2017 World Placement  - Points Earned # of OWG Entries
JPN 1+2 = 3 3
CHN 3 = 3 2
ESP 4+18 = 22  2
CAN 5+9 = 14 2
USA 6+7 = 13 3
RUS 8+11 = 19 2
ISR 10 = 10 2
UZB 12 = 12 1
GEO  13 = 13 1
LAT  14 = 14  1
AUS 15 = 15 1
KAZ 16 = 16 1
FRA 17* = 16 1
CZE 18* = 16 1
GER 20* = 16 1

 

Total spots = 24

Maximum Entries = 30

Spots to be earned at Nebelhorn : 6

 

Pairs 

Spoiler

 

Country 2017 World Placement  - Points Earned # of OWG Entries
CHN 1+4 = 5 3
GER 2+19* = 20 2
RUS 3+5 = 8 3
CAN 6+7 = 13 3
FRA 8+27* = 26 2
ITA 9+13 = 22 2
USA 10 +20** = 28 1

 

Total spots = 16

Maximum Entries = 20

Spots to be earned at Nebelhorn : 4

 

Ice Dance

Spoiler

 

Country 2017 World Placement  - Points Earned # of OWG Entries
CAN 1+4 = 5 3
FRA 2+21* = 20 2
USA  3+7 = 10 3
RUS  5+10 = 15 2
ITA  6+11 = 17 2
ISR 12 = 12 1
DEN 13 = 13 1
POL  14 = 14 1
UKR 15 = 15 1
CHN 16 = 16 1
TUR 17* = 16 1
ESP  18* = 16 1

 

Total spots = 19

Maximum Entries = 24

Spots to be earned at Nebelhorn : 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Fay   

what will Kazakhstan do with their two placements with ladies, I wonder...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ShiroKJ   
1 hour ago, Fay said:

what will Kazakhstan do with their two placements with ladies, I wonder...

 

The only other Kazakhstan lady I remember seeing was in JGP....don't even remember if shes age eligible for Sr. let alone able to get the min TES.. :smiley-scared005: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ShiroKJ said:

 

The only other Kazakhstan lady I remember seeing was in JGP....don't even remember if shes age eligible for Sr. let alone able to get the min TES.. :smiley-scared005: 

 

There's this lady, who has a great shot of going to the Olympics (thanks to Elizabet) if she can get the minimum TES. I find it funny she has a Japanese wikipedia page but no English one. Her TES at AWG was 26.95 + 39.65 which doesn't quite cut it but...we'll see, haha.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ShiroKJ   

ISU News: Challenger Series Announcement 

http://static.isu.org/media/520340/cs2017-18_announcement-final.pdf

 

Challenger Series (10)

  • US International FS (Sept 13-17)
  • Lombardia Trophy (Sept 14-17)
  • Autumn Classic International (Sept 20-23)
  • Ondrej Nepela Trophy (Sept 21-23)
  • Nebelhorn Trophy(Sept 27-30)
  • Finlandia Trophy (Oct 6-8)
  • Minsk-Arena Ice Star (Oct 26-29)
  • Warsaw Cup (Nov 16-19)
  • Tallinn Trophy (Nov 21-26)
  • Golden Spin of Zagreb (Dec 6-9)

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dara   
On 25.05.2017 at 05:37, yuzuangel said:

 

There's this lady, who has a great shot of going to the Olympics (thanks to Elizabet) if she can get the minimum TES. I find it funny she has a Japanese wikipedia page but no English one. Her TES at AWG was 26.95 + 39.65 which doesn't quite cut it but...we'll see, haha.

Elizabet's Mum wrote immediately after Worlds "Aiza, Elizabet got another Olympics berth as a present for you", and Aiza replied "Thanks, Auntie".

I really like the girl, and it seems she's doing her best to be able to get that minimum TES.

She really got into shape now comparing with last couple of years, and was at Mishin Camp in May. 

That's her instagram btw https://www.instagram.com/aiza_imambek/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Dara said:

Elizabet's Mum wrote immediately after Worlds "Aiza, Elizabet got another Olympics berth as a present for you", and Aiza replied "Thanks, Auntie".

I really like the girl, and it seems she's doing her best to be able to get that minimum TES.

She really got into shape now comparing with last couple of years, and was at Mishin Camp in May. 

That's her instagram btw https://www.instagram.com/aiza_imambek/

Elizabet's mom hahahha :rofl:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×