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[2020] 4CC (04-09.02) - Men Free Skating

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

It's only dawning on me now, but does this mean that the preceding skater(s) also had to skate with a hole in the ice? 

how did that hole even get there? who mauled the ice so badly to produce it?

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

It's only dawning on me now, but does this mean that the preceding skater(s) also had to skate with a hole in the ice? 

Or who made the hole so big ? There were 8 or 9 skaters (after ice resurfacing) before Yuzu skated.

 

Also, now I'm wondering did the hole make Boyang Jin pop 2 of his quads?

 

 

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Not trying to start a fire or anything, but did you guys think the edge call on the flip was warranted? Just curious what you all thought since to me it seems a bit straight but I think it does has some inside edge.

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2 minutes ago, Crow said:

Not trying to start a fire or anything, but did you guys think the edge call on the flip was warranted? Just curious what you all thought since to me it seems a bit straight but I think it does has some inside edge.


personally if I were on the panel I would have gave it the ! but then again so many other skaters have flat/wrong edges and still don’t get called :((

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1 minute ago, FlyingCamel said:


personally if I were on the panel I would have gave it the ! but then again so many other skaters have flat/wrong edges and still don’t get called :((

I think you are right, it was probably warranted but also an example of being held at higher standards when others don't get called. But no sense on asking for things to not get called when they are off, but instead more accountability on how they do their work all around. :20111123175551f36:

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Hello,

I read somewhere he had said he could see the concrete below.
Does it not mean the hole may have been from under, more than from over? Then, maybe the hole was still unnoticeable for previous skaters?
Did the maintenance team make the ice properly, a thin layer after the other, to avoid such situations?

Anyhow we can see Yuzuru Hanyu-Sensei is a true "iceologist".

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1 hour ago, monchan said:

He looks like a beloved student with his teachers.

I think he is one of those. 

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On 2/12/2020 at 11:52 AM, Crow said:

Not trying to start a fire or anything, but did you guys think the edge call on the flip was warranted? Just curious what you all thought since to me it seems a bit straight but I think it does has some inside edge.

no

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hi all,real life is giving me lemons so i'm busy making lots of lemonade but i was able to sort of watch Yuzu FS and Seiemei still holds a huge piece of my heart!

Ballade as well....it was like a dream 

I'm so so so happy and proud for him,a truly deserved gold medal for our fave boy:heart:

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Just a compilation of some remnants of 4CC2020 snippets that have not been posted (sorry if they have). Most have been Google translated. Japanese speakers are welcomed to point out the inaccuracies! I pasted the Japanese text here as well to make things easier :)

 

1. The on-site protocol screen: source 

I have always wondered what it looks like, now I know! 

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2. Technical explanation of the 4Lutz mistake (and other jumps in SEIMEI) by a ISU Technical Specialist/Pro Coach: Sponichi

 

冒頭の4回転ルッツは高さも流れもあった。ただ、体が少し前傾していた。私の想像だが、恐らく前傾したままだと着氷時に前に詰まってしまうと考えたのではないか。着氷時に前に体重が乗ると爪先が引っかかってしまう。そこで少し後ろに重心を下げようとしたところ、今度はかかとに乗りすぎてしまい、体が左に開いて大きくステップアウトしてしまったように見えた。そのままでも降りられたにもかかわらず、降りた後の流れをより引き出すために、とっさに微妙なさじ加減をしたがゆえの失敗で、まさに羽生ならではの高いレベルのミスだったに違いない。

[Google Translated] The four-turn lutz at the beginning had both height and flow. However, his body was leaning forward a little. My imagination is that you probably thought that if you kept leaning forward, you would get stuck before landing. If your weight gets on before landing, your toes will get stuck. I tried to lower the center of gravity a little back, but this time I got too far on the heel, and it seemed that my body had opened to the left and stepped out a lot. Despite being able to get off the boat as it was, it was a failure due to suddenly subtle adjustments in order to bring out the flow after getting off, which must have been a high level mistake unique to Hanyu.

 

3. About practicing 4A in 4CC/putting it in Worlds: Sponichi 

 

試合後、成功すれば世界初となるクワッドアクセル(4回転半ジャンプ)について言及。現在の完成度は「降りるまで、もうちょっとって感じですかね」と説明した。昨年12月のGPファイナルでは会場で大技の練習に取り組んだが、今大会も同様の考えを持っていたことを明かした。「ほんとはこのリンクが良ければ、相性が良ければ、アクセルの練習とかもしながら、試合に向けてっていう感じかなという風には思っていたんですけれども。ま、やっぱりルッツでちょっと苦戦もしてたっていうのもあったので、今回はやらずに」
 今後は拠点のカナダ・トロントに戻って練習を進める。「帰ってからどれくらいの体のダメージが残っているか分からないので、回復次第、すぐ練習したいなっていう気持ちではいます」。最強ライバル、ネーサン・チェン(米国)と激突する世界選手権(カナダ)での投入はあるのか。「一応、そのつもりではいます」とし「ちょっと確証はないです。結構、やっぱり、立ちはだかる壁は高いので」と話した。

[Google Translated] He explained that the current degree of perfection is "I feel a little more until I get off." At the GP finals last December, he practiced great techniques at the venue, but revealed that he had the same idea at this tournament. "I really thought that if this link was good, if it worked well, it would be like going to a match, like practicing the accelerator, but it was still a bit difficult for Lutz. I didn't do it this time, so I will return to my base in Toronto, Canada and practice. "I don't know how much physical damage I have left since I returned, so I want to practice as soon as I recover." Is there any entry in the world championship (Canada) that will collide with the strongest rival Nathan Chen (USA)? "I'm just going to do that," he said. "I'm not a little convinced. After all, the standing walls are expensive."

 

4. Interview in conjunction with the 90th anniversary of the Japan Skating Fed 

https://skatingjapan.or.jp/column/column7.php

 

Iron Klaus translated the first two questions.
Translation by Iron Klaus

 

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Translation by Iron Klaus

 

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The rest: [Google Translated but well enough to understand]

 

―― It is also important to meet good teachers.

Hanyu: is important. I was really blessed.

 

Figures that hold for each land

―― I think the history of figures and the atmosphere of the audience differ from country to country, but how do you see the difference based on your experience in participating in competitions in many countries?

Hanyu: Recently, there are many people who come not only from the locals but also from various regions not only in Japan and Asia but also in overseas games. Of course, there are people who are looking forward to my performance, but many people are looking forward to the skating competition itself, and I feel very powerful no matter where I go.
For example, in Helsinki (2017 World Championships), I slid on Hope & Legacy, but I think there was a way to convey this expression because of the unique nature of Finland. For example, if you do "Hope & Legacy" in Las Vegas, it may look different again. If you were in Las Vegas, for example, if you did "SEIMEI", it might look cool like Kabuki. I think that's what figure skating is all about, and with the plus alpha, I think the audience feels unconsciously. I wonder if we are sliding while feeling such a thing. I wonder if figure skating, which includes the whole venue, the country, and most importantly, the audience's hearts and values, is always made for each land.


―― Hanyu chooses which program he will ski in the exhibition after the game.

Hanyu: Including such a background. At the NHK Cup, I slid "Spring, come", but some people have come to Japan to watch games from overseas. The cherry blossoms are not blooming at this time, but I myself came back to Japan and saw the feeling of the mountains and the rows of trees, so I thought that it was Japan. After feeling that kind of thing, when you look at "Spring, come," I think that it is another interesting place how you can feel and how you can feel Japan.

 

I've worked hard to win

―― The Japan Skating Federation celebrates its 90th anniversary this year. As we progress toward the next 100 years, Hanyu has made great achievements in its history. How do you see yourself in the history of figure skating?

Hanyu: First of all, having won the Olympic gold medal as a Japanese boy, I think that one big barrier was broken. When someone breaks down, it triggers the next person to think, "I can take it for me," and I think that I can do my best not just running in the dark, but also seeing it properly. I wish I had been used to breaking through the darkness.

―― When you look back on your second consecutive Olympics, are you surprised by yourself?

Hanyu: is haha (laughs). In Pyeongchang he recovered from an injury, there was an accident before Pyeongchang, and Sochi was Sochi. When asked if he was doing well, Fried was really regrettable. If you accumulate such things, you probably won't make sense if you don't win. I think that I have made a reasonable effort to win, and I think that I can say that I worked hard because I got the results, so I am glad I was able to work hard.

 

Be prepared for individual sports

―― What do you think Japan needs to become a skate kingdom?

Hanyu: It seems to say that it is tough, but I do not mean to be good friends, together, but as long as I am an athlete, I think that all I can do is think that everyone is a rival.

―― It's an individual competition.

Hanyu: Yes. No matter how close you are on ice, when each of the players climbs on ice, you have practiced more than this person, and you feel that you are better than this person. I hope that more and more players will be able to put up their skills, and ultimately more skaters will be able to continue polishing their weapons.

――For that, Hanyu, who is at the top, must keep running.

Hanyu: I agree. I wonder if I have never done figure skating for myself. I loved figure skating since I was a little girl because everyone concentrates on watching me, and if I do good acting, I'm happy and praised. I was glad that someone who would support me would be happy to decide the jump. That was skating for me. Now, of course, I feel the joy of expressing it, and it's a very happy time to be able to do everything on the ice that I can't express in words. But getting there is not that easy. Even if you practice the piano and want to express it, your fingers will not move so easily. It's only here that the fun is born because I came here so far, and I didn't think so much in the past. In coming here, I want everyone to be pleased and appreciated. That's what drives me so far. That's why I want to go on top of the “Hatsuyu Yuzuru” that everyone expects. I think that I'm slipping while thinking so.

―― Expectations are growing.

Hanyu: That's right. I've been saying a 4-turn accelerator. (Laughs) But I want to be able to exceed that high expectation of "diagonally up!"

 

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16 hours ago, MatchaBeans said:


Hanyu: (...) Even if you practice the piano and want to express it, your fingers will not move so easily. (...)
 

Yuzuru Hanyu pretends he doesn't read; but can we completely rule out this answer to be a contradiction to Elizabeth Bennet's challenging Mr Darcy at Rosings (Pride & Prejudice, chapter 31)?

"My fingers," said Elizabeth, "do not move over this instrument in the masterly manner which I see so many women's do. They have not the same force or rapidity, and do not produce the same expression. But then I have always supposed it to be my own fault -- because I would not take the trouble of practising. It is not that I do not believe my fingers as capable as any other woman's of superior execution."

(thanks to pemberley.com)

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