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9 минут назад, meoima сказал:

I do not need the commentators to gush over the skaters. I only need them to give correct information and not some biased statement. 

I don't need it either though sometimes it's nice to listen, especially if you know the person is really professional like when they invited Tracy for comments or it was nice to listen to TAT in PC (though she can be very biased). I'd gladly listen ID with professional comments cuz I still don't understand a thing in it - the problem is even athletes rarely have professional/interesting comments in ID.

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1 hour ago, rockstaryuzu said:

Most of the commentators in this category , I've noticed, are not specialists in figure skating, but just sports reporters dragged in from other sports because the network needs somebody. 

 

Being incompetent or not sufficiently qualified for a job doesn't make you immune to criticism, though. It's maybe an explanation, but not an excuse. If my house collapses and it turns out that my contractor was actually not trained as a contractor but as a dentist, then I'm not gonna cut him slack because he lacked the necessary qualifications for the job.  

 

 

52 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

As for whether what they're saying is factually true or not...well, for example, Brian himself has commented that when Yuzu came to him, he was sometimes inconsistent. Sports commentators can hardly be faulted for repeating stuff that came from the coach's own mouth. 

 

Not every quote stays applicable for all eternity, and there's something called context. Imagine a commentator saying "Yuzuru Hanyu withdrew from NHK due to injury. His coach said that if the Olympics were tomorrow, he'd be ready". Both those things separately aren't wrong, but if you present them in this way, then they paint a misleading picture and people will draw the wrong conclusions.

 

 

24 minutes ago, rockstaryuzu said:

No. The actual general public (as in, the man or woman on the street who never watched skating) don't know even that much about figure skating, and even if they happen to watch a competition, they're such casual watchers that they won't retain what the commentators say. The people who watch once and take an interest and do remember the comments will watch more and sooner or later form their own opinions anyway, regardless of what the commentators say.

 

But there's something between "person on the street who only watches every 4 years" and "super duper hardcore fan who knows the skaters' boot size". I'd consider myself more than a casual viewer, but there are many, many, many skaters who I don't follow very closely. When I watch a competition with commentary, then I can only call BS on the things that I know are wrong. But more often than not, I would have to rely on the commentators knowing what they're talking about, which, sadly, they often don't.

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11 minutes ago, Hydroblade said:

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The general audience who still say "he falls a lot, why did he win".

I think that asking for objectivity is... hard. If you know about the sport you're bound to have a favourite or at least someone you are rooting for. But trying to bring down other competitors is BAD. I wouldn't mind if they openly gushed over someone else, but didn't feel the need to convince the audience that x or y skater is better with wrong info.

 

I honestly do not care one whit if they gush about someone else. It's something that happens all the time, especially when it comes to national bias.

It is the other that bugs me and tbh, the worst for me had always been that they started that inconsistency story when he was coming back post-Boston but never once mentioned how injured he had been. Heck, during CoR 2017, NBC mentioned how Yuzuru had had knee trouble before and how that might have affected him. Meh. Of course, everything else too.

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19 minutes ago, meoima said:

Commentators have a huge impact on the general audience. Where do you think the current "artistry narrative" of many skating fans come from? DICK BUTTON's commentary for many many decades. New skating fans lament that the old NA skating fans have this kind of certain biased view on skating.You know where to look at. Dick Button, who else. He did contribute much to the sport, but his comments came across as not so nice many many many times.

The guys at British Eurosport have not been professional, and this is what I want to point out. When I was small on tivi they show Russian broadcast of figure skating, so there was not much to understand. When I got the internet and started listening to British Eurosport, I relied on them a lot. Then you know... just years after years I realize they repeat the same mistake and same phrase for some certain circumstances, making the same mistakes over and over again. So now I am GLAD just to get No commentary or commentary of a language I do not understand.

I do not need the commentators to gush over the skaters. I only need them to give correct information and not some biased statement. 

 

Commentators do have a huge impact, I agree with that. I won't even go into details how much damage was done in my country by Eurosport or other commentators over the past years and how this influenced the general opinion of fs fans here...:slinkaway:

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If Yuzu has ever left an impression of being “ inconsistent” it is because of his extremely packed and difficult and intricate transitions plus squads programs . Plus the way he goes all out to perform . Despite that Yuzu always podiums with the lowest as silver medalist . So in conclusion the “ inconsistent “ theory has a big hole in it. I’ll say Yuzu consistently podiums well in comp no matter how his condition is. He is THAT CONSISTENT ! :knc_brian1:

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6 minutes ago, ruruzest said:

Despite that Yuzu always podiums with the lowest as silver medalist . 

 

That is seriously something. If we go back, he had one 4th post that CoC mess, then another season of 1st and 2nd places, then another, except for one 4th place again. 

It is only the season prior to that one that we find a mix of placings but that is 2011/12!

 

So since 2011/12, he has placed either 1st or 2nd in all his competitions, except twice. Six years! I know Plushenko has a better record, he had 7th straight years of mostly 1st places with a smattering of 2nd but he is considered the most consistent one in modern history. And his programs and Yuzuru's programs are quite different (it's simply how skating advanced, nothing against Plush, on the contrary). I am not sure many top skaters can approach Yuzuru's consistency. 

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13 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

I honestly do not care one whit if they gush about someone else. It's something that happens all the time, especially when it comes to national bias.

It is the other that bugs me and tbh, the worst for me had always been that they started that inconsistency story when he was coming back post-Boston but never once mentioned how injured he had been. Heck, during CoR 2017, NBC mentioned how Yuzuru had had knee trouble before and how that might have affected him. Meh. Of course, everything else too.

It’s not just Yuzuru.  I can’t remember which competition it was, but BESP were waffling on about Han Yan, and how he’d gone off the boil and what a shame he wasn’t fulfilling the promise of his earlier seasons blah blah blah and I wanted a hotline to the commentary box to remind them that he’d just come back from surgery on his shoulder - a tiny bit of internet research would have given them that information.  I think it was the same time that they were blithering on about Shoma ‘possibly’ being injured.

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23 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

On a different note, looking how both Jason and Gabby have had a major look change, what if the whole of TCC joined them? 

Is that why Zu is postponing media day? Dun dun dun :68468287:

The Russian forum about Zhenya is joking Zhenya will show up with her hair cut and dyed and Yuzu shaven clean...

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3 minutes ago, Fay said:

The Russian forum about Zhenya is joking Zhenya will show up with a hair cut and dyed and Yuzu shaven clean...

 

:68468287:

But actually Zhenya and a pixie cut might look good. I now suddenly want to see it.

A bald Yuzuru ... perhaps because he knows he'll end up costing Brian all his hair this season? Wild. 

 

 

@Sombreuil Blond with a perm? :D

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