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  1. Responding to discussion about podcast in previous pages. Apparently, TSL is praising Yuzu and criticizing Nathan. What a turnaround!
  2. We are going to see how the scoring trend will be this competition. But, it is impossible for judges to suddenly move on to score Quadster (or those skaters who perform difficult jump rather than quality jump) appropriately when it has become like this. It will obviously show the unfairness of judging. What might be possible in the near future is: a. Yuzuru will be rewarded with high GOE due to quality and difficulty of his transitions, but others like Nathan and Shoma who does quad jump with higher BV will also be rewarded for GOE just because they challenge those jumps. b. Yuzuru will be rewarded with higher GOE, while Nathan and Shoma will have the average GOE that they are having currently. c. The GOE rewards, I think, will not be applied appropriately to other skaters. These skaters have to maintain certain quality in their performances for years first (which Yuzuru has been well-noted for: textbook jump technique, transition in and out). Other skaters who have quality and transition etc might not be as well-rewarded, just because they have not develop that reputation yet, and therefore, judges can just pretend it is not present. d. Optimistically speaking, the initial great impression judges get from male skaters with difficult jumps has stabilized, and they start seeing it as "well, it is difficult jump, but it does not look good at all", so the GOE will start to reflect that. But it will not be. e. Judges are still in awe with female skaters who can do the quads, so the scoring will reflect that. This is all assuming that the feds do not work under the table so their skaters can win.
  3. Where do I put this? A Russian fan is translating Russian commentary (it is Yagudin and Golovanov) for SP! So, I remember a Yagudin fan is talking on tumblr about well and kinda shading Yuzuru a little bit for his style and his idolization of Plushenko. And that tumblr person also bad-talked about Shirota, about how she did not pay her due for her crimes etc., and it seems the dislike for Yuzuru is just by his association with Shirota. But, then last year we found out that Yagudin actually has all good things to say about Yuzuru (God of Figure Skating, etc) and I couldn't help but laugh about it. It is always funny when some people's pretentiousness bite them back on the ass. https://twitter.com/IrinaMastyaeva/status/1189313288561188869?s=20 How do I embed twitter post here? TT
  4. Guys, are there no translation for Russian and Chinese commentary on Skate Canada?
  5. I dont know how some people get mistaken? It is very obvious by the way they talk 30 minutes about everything else except skating lessons.
  6. It is very weird right? Does nobody can do anything? Or is there some proofs that she is really a stalker or someone that is allowed to be near but does not want to be recognized?
  7. Well, the current environment is this: fanyus cirticizing the unfairness of scoring in social media very loudly, it turns head. The last UR call that Fair Skating Union (?) twitter account promote, about Yuzu being called for phantom UR and glitchy judging overall it is retweeted by Carol Lane, so it definitely attracts the attention of figure skating (and also, this happens to comparatively the most technically perfect competing figure skater in the whole community). Moreover, people are spreading the comparison video between Yuzu's jump vs Aymoz's jump, with the unfairly low score for Yuzu. Regardless, this is the era of information, no one can cover up things for too long. The business people behind the scene is not THAT ignorant, I am sure. Some of them even have social media. So, yeah, I think what they are afraid the most is that such blatant robbery will cause Yuzu's fans and figure skating fans that have been at disadvantage by such unfairness to walk away with Yuzu's retirement. It does not mean that ISU will be much fairer to overall competing skaters, but because he is a very high profile skater, they need to learn to use this to their advantage too.
  8. OKAY! This is an interview that might answer some of your questions about: 1. Why media and ISU start doing a turnaround about Yuzu (from initially practically ignoring his achievement to suddenly post GOAT in their SNS? 2. Why judges starting to judge him properly. This person here translate russian article to Japanese and as usual, google translate it to English. If you are looking for the original article, there is a link there too. In conclusion, Ari Zakaryan said that there is a perception of greatness and popularity and interest, generate solely by Yuzuru's presence, and figure skating community live in that bubble, not realizing that it will all disappear by the time Yuzuru retires. And the business people behind the scene of figure skating are afraid of it. And, Ari who has proposed for this Awards ceremony since apparently 8 years ago (!), is in the mind that it will be great if there will be post-competition event similar to an Ice Shows, in which, great skaters of the past can actually attend the event for the purpose of receiving Award or giving performance etc. https://russianfigureskatingforever.blogspot.com/2019/10/zakaryan-ISUaward.html And actually like all of you I have been afraid thinking about the answers of those questions. Without downplaying or implying anything about Yuzu's scoring except that it now actually matches with the performance he gives (rather than underscored as he usually was), I think the people at ISU, being pushed by the business people who is sponsoring and funding them, will now actually gives Yuzu the dignity that he deserves as he enters what might be the final olympic cycle in his amateur career. Fans' uproar about the unfairness and also threat of leaving fs community if ISU cannot appreciate what Yuzu is doing (which all of them now realize might not be just a threat but a real fact), make them change their trajectory. Current environment is very different than what it was in the past that judges cannot anymore give scores unfairly without public scrutiny, considering the ease of use of internet and social media. All of their scoring is being watched carefully by fans, and especially Yuzuru's fans are like that. We analyze what he actually deserves from each performance, created blog, making annotated videos. His fandom is one that figure skating has never enjoyed before (and maybe the ISU and skating federations do not enjoy at all), all of his movements on ice are monitored by camera, recorded and photograph, and fs fans can actually gather those and evaluate the scoring! Fanyus are invested in Yuzu and fairness in judging, because he never even tries to move fans to riot against scoring, complaining about phantom UR in a blatant way like we remember Zhou and his coach did in 2018? or 2017, etc. UNTIL NOW, when he feels that he has been scored appropriately, then he feels he can say something about it. So, I am currently in the assumption that ISU pushed by the sponsor behind them is actually trying to maintain and lure fanyus hoping that at the very least 50% fo Yuzu's fans will stay invested in other skaters. Or, they want to squeeze fanyus money as much and as long as possible using Yuzuru as the commodity. This is not only them who is doing it, because Beijing Oympic Committee is also banking on that.
  9. I cannot handle listening to TSL, not because of their content, but because they go everywhere before they get to the point. And they do it in the most annoying gossipy way. And yeah, how does he do that? Maintaining that level of integrity and politeness while still giving his point across.
  10. It is great and all, but you forgot Yulia and Adelina!
  11. LOL yeah, but. Whatever if they want to live in their delusion in their alternate dimension. If they think about it that way, then we can go back to World 2015 and World 2016 in which in both competition, Yuzuru is in bad health and still win silver so we can argue that if he is fit, he will win. Or he might have been 4 times World Champion. So, Yuzu does not mention Alysia Liu among the teen girls quadster?
  12. Guys. At this point in time, this will be Yuzuru's 3rd Olympic cycle. He has won 2 OGM, 2 WGM, 4 GPF Gold. He is in a good trajectory right now it seems, and improving LEAPS and BOUNDS. His improvement every cycle and his fight against all injury trauma and challenges and new generations also new rules, it really shows incomparable grit and determination. I think, at this aspect he has surpassed all the Greats of Figure Skating. He once said, iirc, that he hates when people praise him by saying that "You've done your best." etc after he loses because it makes him feel like that is all he has, he wants people to believe that he can still give more, that he can still produce better. I want to support that feeling, so I am going to stop saying things such as that he should stop before he destroy his body etc. etc., because, today, he has shown that he still has it. I was not convinced at ACI, but I trust him and have confidence in him. I have decided that I don't want to be a fan with entitlement upon his person, but I want to be his supporter.
  13. The Yuzu season is coming in November. Because Yuzu fruits will be ripe at that time of the year, and Yuzu will come to NHK Trophy. LOL
  14. Definitely imagining how many pages of essay Yuzuru will write to Sasshi about the new songs. "I think it is definitely better if you add this lala lala lala." "This duru duru duru will evoke warmer feeling." Etc. etc.
  15. Since he is the person who has watched figure skating since Salt Lake City 2002 rink side, then it means it is very very valid opinion too.
  16. In that sense, the Japanese federation is not systematically trying to actively make their athlete wins through this way.
  17. IT CANNOT BE HELPED! He is sexier than 99.9% idols! But he is only sexy when his picture is taken candidly. His posed picture is always so stiff for me. Why.
  18. I especially am not worried at all about Hanyu for WC. If he successfully raise his BV and skate clean, he will definitely win even if there is potential of underscoring. Meanwhile, if he is not immediately implementing jump with high BVs, I definitely think it is because he has character development and would prefer to take things slow to avoid injuring himself (again). It will be better if he can give the best performance his condition allow him, rather than he forces himself and regret it like what happened in Boston 2016. Even if it is not good to think about what ifs, I think the potential score that Yuzuru would have gotten looking back at results from WC 2019, and the historical achievements of the same program from comp previous to WC 2019, if Yuzuru successfully perform all elements cleanly for both programs (GPF 2015 level of clean), he would have won without needing to raise the BV actually (with small margin of course).
  19. Oh, then it must be me hoping that JPN judge will nudge some JPN skaters score a little bit higher (when I read the protocol).
  20. This is like Yuzu being unintentionally sexy. And people like this is always sexier than those who is obviously forcing themselves to look sexy. for this tag.
  21. Uuuuh this is very confusing indeed. I think a lot of it came from financial capacity of the fed. I read about it somewhere that the subsidy for JSF is not actually that big. Worse is the fact that Japan judge tend to score their own athletes (like Rika and Yuzu on the last comp) lower than the average score given by judges of the same competition. And it is very question mark, because usually there is a national bias, right?
  22. But, for casual viewers, and this is what I notice when I listen to some commentaries (or supposed analyst) since I backtrack videos from the time Yuzuru start to shine. That even though figure skating itself is not actually the kind of sports in which there is a race and rivalry, they always try to make it as if there is rivalry. For Yuzuru, there has been Takahashi, Chan, Machida, Ten, Javier, Boyang, Shoma, now Nathan. For us, who are fans, we obviously are going to support Yuzu no matter what. But in this context, media bet for a good story that will attract casual viewers. Honestly, for sports, I will say that easy win is less interesting than a win gain through great struggle. If you don't really have someone you are rooting for, a good story about rivalry will help you to hook on THAT rivalry. So if there is any potential of rivalry even if it is artificial, media will eat it up. Even Japanese media will eat up that story about rivalry. Because, as y'all have emphasized again and again, unlike tennis, or swimming, or motogp or F1, in which you can immediately see the race, figure skating does not work like that. A race will not happen in an organic way, but instead must be crafted. Therefore, a story about someone pushing himself to the limit making progress each competition, is remade into a battle in which the one who will win will be the one with the highest score. It is a whole different case with talking about USFS pushing their agenda. This is what I personally think on why they push athleticism more than artistry. Some of it I think, relate to gender stereotype and diminishing interest on figure skating in US especially among males. There is prejudice to how figure skating is a girly sport until this day in US, right? It is obvious from the way they dress their athlete to be stereo typically manly/masculine that they want to be rid of that image. Especially, when the representative figure skaters on TV of the recent years are Johnny Weir and Adam Rippon, who are people with diva-like and stereo typically feminine behavior. So they want to portray male figure skaters as superhuman athletes with powerful jump to gain more interest in male figure skating. They push this POV because the next batch of figure skaters will hopefully came from generation that grew up with superhero movies. It goes hand in hand with Nathan's potential of course. But it is just me though, and I don't claim to really understand what is happening behind the scene. Let's say that as a general viewer, this is what immediately visible.
  23. Actually I didn't expect him to have such a positive experience about Hanyu. He strikes me as very neutral (or more the chasing sensational story just like any other reporter out there, in lack of more flattering word). So it is a very nice surprise I think, that he personally feels that ways about Yuzu. And because I am a cynic, there is a sliver of thought in me that he might flatter fanyus for views, but then, Skate Ontario is not really targeted to international audience, isn't it? And also, if they assume that most fanyus are Japanese, there is really no point in flattering the fanyus, so it is more like, Scott ended up promoting Yuzu to the bigger Canadian audience. lol. Anyway, my take is, as we all know, media as a whole always has bigger agenda, so even if we might listen to commentators who downplay some skaters' (Yuzu) achievement compare to others (Nathan or Shoma), well, they might not personally think that way. And the opposite is also true, I guess. And also it is also right, that the greatest interest in sport comes from the rivalry. There MUST always be rivalry, therefore there will be exchange of domination. And especially in sports like FS, without propping any other skaters of the new generation, ISU is in a very great danger of losing its biggest star in history, without having any replacement. Interestingly, this is what is so fascinating about Yuzu. He organically usurped Patrick Chan who was in the peak of his career with such an excellent strategy, he hold his own against Denis Ten and Tatsuki Machida, he had great rivalry and friendship with Javier, and now he is challenging Nathan. Oh yeah, there is also this handover thing from Plushenko to Yuzuru, considering the fact that Plushenko retires in the same competition in which Yuzu breaks Olympic record. Plushenko and Yuzu are different kind of skaters, but interestingly, the both of them has a very similar spirit, and I feel that among all skaters existing in this galaxy, Plushenko might be the only person who understands why Yuzu pursues competition like he is doing now. I honestly don't see the same spirit and passion in current generation of skaters. I think, by the time Yuzu retires, we're gonna have to wait for many years before there will be other skaters who have the same drive. Plushenko must be mighty jealous, because one thing that he hates is, the fact that his rivals tend to retire after winning against him LMAO, and here is Yuzu, who is given a chance to take revenge again and again.
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